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mr. bojangles
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 Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 2:13 am Post subject: New Korean Law to Make Uni Class Sizes Smaller? |
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I've heard that there was a law recently passed to lower the maximum size of students in a University English conversation class. With smaller classes, this would mean more University English teachers will be needed.
Is this true? Can anyone else confirm this? |
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schwa
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| Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 2:59 am Post subject: Re: New Korean Law to Make Uni Class Sizes Smaller? |
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| mr. bojangles wrote: |
| With smaller classes, this would mean more University English teachers will be needed. |
Or more classes as a contract condition. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 3:27 am Post subject: Re: New Korean Law to Make Uni Class Sizes Smaller? |
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| mr. bojangles wrote: |
I've heard that there was a law recently passed to lower the maximum size of students in a University English conversation class. With smaller classes, this would mean more University English teachers will be needed.
Is this true? Can anyone else confirm this? |
Not necessarily more jobs my friend. 
I would say this would lead to University Instructors being required to teach more classes per week if class sizes are reduced. There may be some hiring, but do not expect a flood of University jobs to land on your lap!
Oh and this could all be bumbed down to the Unigowns as well.... |
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kimchikowboy
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| Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 5:24 pm Post subject: |
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| So what is the new max? I've got conversation classes of close to 60 now. |
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The Cosmic Hum
Joined: 09 May 2003
Location: Sonic Space
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| Posted: Fri Nov 04, 2011 11:17 pm Post subject: Re: New Korean Law to Make Uni Class Sizes Smaller? |
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| mr. bojangles wrote: |
I've heard that there was a law recently passed to lower the maximum size of students in a University English conversation class. With smaller classes, this would mean more University English teachers will be needed.
Is this true? Can anyone else confirm this? |
I'll believe it if and when I see it.  |
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Swampfox10mm
Joined: 24 Mar 2011
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| Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2011 2:58 am Post subject: |
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| They'll probably just cut down on the hours of each class. |
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jamesd
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| Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2011 5:18 am Post subject: |
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| Swampfox10mm wrote: |
| They'll probably just cut down on the hours of each class. |
...and give you more classes. |
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Son Deureo!
Joined: 30 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2011 5:58 am Post subject: |
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So much cynicism about what should probably be good news, in fact some of the first good news in the Korean EFL market in quite a while..
My current job was actually created when my school decided to cut freshman English classes in half. They hired 9 new teachers that semester. So yeah, this could very well create some new uni jobs if the law passes. |
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The Cosmic Hum
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| Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2011 7:32 am Post subject: |
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| Son Deureo! wrote: |
So much cynicism about what should probably be good news, in fact some of the first good news in the Korean EFL market in quite a while..
My current job was actually created when my school decided to cut freshman English classes in half. They hired 9 new teachers that semester. So yeah, this could very well create some new uni jobs if the law passes. |
Don't get me wrong...would love to see this come to fruition, but I have my doubts.
Universities are all about making money...and cutting class sizes just doesn't fit all that well with their bottom line.
By the way...is there currently a law in place that dictates to universities how big their classes can be?
Isn't it just supply and demand...based on competition with other universities?
How does the government regulate class sizes for private universities...or is this just for public universities?
More information on this would be nice. |
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matthews_world
Joined: 15 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2011 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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You uni teachers would get screwed for sure but this would be a boon for universities nationwide who could allure more competent Korean counterparts and help their universities prosper.
A big problem in Korea is the number of highly educated unemployed graduates who have obtained their Master's degrees and are too qualified for other menial jobs.
Step in the right direction, although why change the status quo? You see class sizes of 100 or more in western universities. |
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jvalmer
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| Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2011 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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| matthews_world wrote: |
| You see class sizes of 100 or more in western universities. |
Way more... |
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The Cosmic Hum
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| Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2011 10:48 pm Post subject: |
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| matthews_world wrote: |
You uni teachers would get screwed for sure but this would be a boon for universities nationwide who could allure more competent Korean counterparts and help their universities prosper.
You are going to have to explain this one....?
Step in the right direction, although why change the status quo? You see class sizes of 100 or more in western universities.
Except this thread is about conversation classes...not lecture classes...yes?
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Stephen Ireland
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| Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2011 11:06 pm Post subject: |
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Classes of 300 or 400 were normal when I went to uni. But in my Spanish class there weren't more than 10 people in my language class. Only some phonetics or culture classes had a large number of students in it.
Usually in language conversation classes, there aren't many students cause it's not a lecture! |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2011 4:08 am Post subject: |
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| Son Deureo! wrote: |
So much cynicism about what should probably be good news, in fact some of the first good news in the Korean EFL market in quite a while..
My current job was actually created when my school decided to cut freshman English classes in half. They hired 9 new teachers that semester. So yeah, this could very well create some new uni jobs if the law passes. |
Actually it IS good news. Smaller class sizes is a positive for any teacher, especially in conversation classes.
If they breakdown classes in smaller groups, this could lead to some hiring but likely the University will look at its current instructors and notice they can handle a few more classes per week. The classes could be transfered to the Unigwon as well as they can certainly handle small size conversation classes.
Still, overall, were I still teaching at the University in Busan, I would not have minded a few more classes a week if that meant smaller groups. |
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Swampfox10mm
Joined: 24 Mar 2011
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| Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2011 4:19 am Post subject: |
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| jamesd wrote: |
| Swampfox10mm wrote: |
| They'll probably just cut down on the hours of each class. |
...and give you more classes. |
No, that would mean they have to hire more teachers. Is that bad?
We currently have something like 17 foreigners on staff teaching English. When I started, there were 3 of us. We used to have classes with 35 students. When we went down to 25, and as more teachers were hired, the number of hours I averaged per week went down from 19 to 22 to 15 to 17.
My contract states that I get OT on anything after 15 hours. That's a pretty average set-up for universities, as I understand it. I don't see that one changing. |
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