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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2011 5:21 pm Post subject: |
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| As has been pointed out repeatedly, he polls better against Obama than any other Republican candidate. |
Which polls would those be?
The polls from Florida that show FLORIDA (Suffolk/7News�Wed. Nov. 2, '11) Romney 42 v. Obama 42; Obama 42 v. Cain 39; Obama 46 v. Perry 34; Obama 45 v. Gingrich 38; Obama 44 v. Paul 32 ?
The polls from North Carolina that show NORTH CAROLINA: (PPP�Tuesday, Nov. 1, '11) Romney 46 v. Obama 45; Obama 47 v. Cain 44; Obama 50 v. Perry 42; Obama 50 v. Gingrich 43; Obama 48 v. Paul 40 ?
The polls from Wisconsin that show WISCONSIN
(Rasmussen�Mon. Oct. 31, '11) Obama 44 v. Paul 35; Obama 45 v. Romney 41; Obama 47 v. Cain 42; Perry 46 v. Obama 42 ?
(All stats from Real Clear Politics)
PS: I do congratulate the Paulbots on their skill at turning almost any thread into a 'Ron Paul is our savior' thread. |
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Ineverlie&I'malwaysri
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Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2011 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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Another one bites the dust...
The GOP field is a joke. |
Nah. Ron Paul is a little nutty, but he has ideas and integrity. And Gary Johnson is serious, as is Jon Huntsman.
The problem isn't the field, its the GOP electorate. |
Winston Churchill once said
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Ineverlie&I'malwaysri
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Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2011 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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Ron Paul Bests Obama in Latest Poll
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| These results come just a few weeks after a Reuters/Ipsos survey showed Ron Paul polling within striking distance of President Obama among registered voters. Furthermore, a late August Rasmussen poll showed him within 1 percent of President Obama in a head-to-head matchup. |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2011 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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Ron Paul Bests Obama in Latest Poll
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| These results come just a few weeks after a Reuters/Ipsos survey showed Ron Paul polling within striking distance of President Obama among registered voters. Furthermore, a late August Rasmussen poll showed him within 1 percent of President Obama in a head-to-head matchup. |
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Too bad about that primary, eh? |
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Ineverlie&I'malwaysri
Joined: 09 Aug 2011
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Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2011 11:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Leon wrote: |
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Ron Paul Bests Obama in Latest Poll
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| These results come just a few weeks after a Reuters/Ipsos survey showed Ron Paul polling within striking distance of President Obama among registered voters. Furthermore, a late August Rasmussen poll showed him within 1 percent of President Obama in a head-to-head matchup. |
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Too bad about that primary, eh? |
Yes, the primary will be tougher than the election, but still, that's no attitude.  |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2011 11:37 pm Post subject: |
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The overwhelming majority of Herman Cain supporters interviewed by the Register this week are standing by their candidate.
But if their support begins to waver, the biggest beneficiary likely would be Mitt Romney � and Newt Gingrich is next, according to the latest Des Moines Register Iowa Poll.
The poll asked Cain supporters who their second choice would be. Thirty percent said Romney, and 23 percent said Gingrich. The poll was taken before allegations of sexual harassment against Cain hit the headlines Sunday.
http://caucuses.desmoinesregister.com/2011/11/05/many-iowa-cain-backers-are-sticking-with-him/
From the same article:
Where would Cain supporters go?
Romney 30%
Gingrich 23%
Perry 21%
Bachmann 8%
Paul 8%
Santorum 4%
Not sure 6%
Looks to me like the disgraced serial adulterer Gingrich will be the next flavor of the week. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Sat Nov 05, 2011 11:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Ineverlie&I'malwaysri wrote: |
Ron Paul Bests Obama in Latest Poll
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| These results come just a few weeks after a Reuters/Ipsos survey showed Ron Paul polling within striking distance of President Obama among registered voters. Furthermore, a late August Rasmussen poll showed him within 1 percent of President Obama in a head-to-head matchup. |
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Um, you did read the article, didn't you?
1. The article is dated Sept. 28...ancient history.
2. This poll was 'a few weeks after' a second poll...which makes that one prehistoric. Another is from late August.
But the significant point is: 3. This most 'recent' poll does not come from a particular state. I don't want to cause a panic but anyone who follows US politics must have figured out--at least by Dec. 2000--that we don't elect our presidents in a national election. Any national poll is totally meaningless. Electoral votes are all that matter...and a candidate gets them by winning a state election.
Hint: posting meaningless polls to support a position does not enhance the position. |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2011 6:42 am Post subject: |
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| Ineverlie&I'malwaysri wrote: |
| Leon wrote: |
| Ineverlie&I'malwaysri wrote: |
Ron Paul Bests Obama in Latest Poll
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| These results come just a few weeks after a Reuters/Ipsos survey showed Ron Paul polling within striking distance of President Obama among registered voters. Furthermore, a late August Rasmussen poll showed him within 1 percent of President Obama in a head-to-head matchup. |
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Too bad about that primary, eh? |
Yes, the primary will be tougher than the election, but still, that's no attitude.  |
Well, I don't really like Paul's economic ideas so I'm fine with it. If anything he should be a third party candidate, it'd be more honest and if you believe the polls that you are talking about, it would give him a better chance in the general election. |
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Kuros
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Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2011 9:32 am Post subject: |
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| High-tech "lynching": (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/04/herman-cain-high-tech-lynching-ad_n_1076516.html) |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2011 3:03 pm Post subject: |
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| If anything he should be a third party candidate |
He said on Sunday that while he may not support the GOP nominee, he won't be a third party candidate because he doesn't want to--i.e. he'll play baseball if he gets to be the pitcher. Why no third party? Because he sees that 5% support in South Carolina, etc. and knows he can't win anything, although he could tip a state in a close election. IOW, he doesn't want to be the Ralph Nader of the Right. (He's a lot more politically astute than many of his followers.) |
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Ya-ta Boy
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Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2011 3:15 pm Post subject: |
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| High-tech "lynching": (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/04/herman-cain-high-tech-lynching-ad_n_1076516.html) |
Link doesn't work, nor did the cut and paste attempt.
This 'high tech lynching' thing is a red herring. It's an attempt to blame the messenger and distract attention from the original allegations. It seems to be working as a strategy, if you can go by campaign contributions. It has been entertaining to watch the very people who so strongly objected to playing the race card even when it was appropriate, to now play the race card themselves when it is clearly not appropriate. Someone, I think on Chris Hayes, said Cain is 'conveniently black'.
When you look at motive, liberals had the least to gain from this. A clown leading the GOP field? When your opponent is setting himself on fire, why step in and stop him, as a wise non-Latina lesbian said. The culprit was either:
a) one of the rival campaigns
b) the GOP establishment
c) someone at NRA
PS: Has anyone else been having trouble with the 'Preview' button? I rarely use it, but I've noticed the last couple of times I did, that it shows things the way you want them, but when you hit 'Submit', it mashes everything into one long paragraph. |
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Ya-ta Boy
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Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 9:09 am Post subject: |
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A fourth woman has decided to go public. Press conference in the afternoon with Gloria Allred (ick).
The terrific Dahlia Lithwick has a good article pointing out that many of the defenders of Cain claim both that we don't know yet what happened but that whatever it was, it wasn't real. Good read.
Remember, we don�t know what happened, beyond the fact that several employees came forward with complaints and received cash settlements. That�s not a lot of information. Cain defenders could have stopped there. Instead, great swaths of them have opted to assert that there could never be a valid sex discrimination claim because the whole thing is just a racket. And they went even further: The same folks criticizing the National Restaurant Association employees who came forward with claims that they were uncomfortable in their workplace are willing to deploy the most archaic and gender-freighted stereotypes to get there. Sexual harassment can�t be �real� because the women who claim it are money-grubbing, hysterical, attention-seeking tramps.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2011/11/herman_cain_s_conservative_defenders_are_going_totally_overboard.single.html |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005 Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 9:42 am Post subject: |
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A fourth woman has decided to go public. Press conference in the afternoon with Gloria Allred (ick).
The terrific Dahlia Lithwick has a good article pointing out that many of the defenders of Cain claim both that we don't know yet what happened but that whatever it was, it wasn't real. Good read.
Remember, we don�t know what happened, beyond the fact that several employees came forward with complaints and received cash settlements. That�s not a lot of information. Cain defenders could have stopped there. Instead, great swaths of them have opted to assert that there could never be a valid sex discrimination claim because the whole thing is just a racket. And they went even further: The same folks criticizing the National Restaurant Association employees who came forward with claims that they were uncomfortable in their workplace are willing to deploy the most archaic and gender-freighted stereotypes to get there. Sexual harassment can�t be �real� because the women who claim it are money-grubbing, hysterical, attention-seeking tramps.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2011/11/herman_cain_s_conservative_defenders_are_going_totally_overboard.single.html |
Starting to sound Presidential - like his brother Bill Clinton - time to sing "Stand by Your Man." |
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Ya-ta Boy
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Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 12:29 pm Post subject: |
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Here's AP's story:
Bialek was employed for parts of 1996 and 1997 at the Educational Foundation of the National Restaurant Association, an industry trade group that Cain headed at the time. She said she first met him at an organization convention, interacting with him several times over the course of a few days.
She was fired from her job, and her boyfriend suggested she contact Cain in hopes he could help her find employment.
That led some time later � Bialek said mid-July 1997 � to a trip to Washington, where Cain upgraded her hotel room to a suite, and the unwanted sexual advance took place after they had gone to dinner.
She described an evening in mid-July 1997 when she had dinner in Washington, D.C., with Cain, whom she had contacted in hopes he could help her find a job. The two were in a car for what she thought was a ride to an office building.
"Instead of going into the offices he suddenly reached over and he put his hand on my leg, under my skirt toward my genitals," she said.
"He also pushed my head toward his crotch," she added.
She said she told Cain to stop, adding that he did.
Bialek said she did not file a workplace complaint against Cain at the time because she was not employed.
She said she informed both her boyfriend, an unidentified pediatrician, and a longtime male friend.http://news.yahoo.com/woman-accuses-cain-bold-sexual-advance-193258298.html
Legally (I think), Sharon Bialek's story is not about sexual harrassment since she wasn't employed at the time. Nevertheless, he up-graded her hotel room, took her to dinner, lured her into a car to take her to an office to discuss a job, but then aggressively used his position and her economic vulnerability to try to get sex. "You want a job, right?"
Her story strongly supports the contentions of the other three women.
While it may not affect his candidacy within the GOP, any presidential asperations he may have had, ridiculous as they have always been, are now toast. I have said before that I thought he was only in this as a vanity campaign to up his book sales and speaker's fee and maybe get a gig at FOX. I suspect even those hopes are now gone.
I hope Ms Bialek is a strong woman because her reputation is going to be shredded in the next 24 hours. |
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Ya-ta Boy
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Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2011 3:30 am Post subject: |
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This is my favorite article about the reaction to Sharon Bialek:
Well, that didn�t take long. When the sexual harassment allegations against Herman Cain were lodged anonymously, the pro-Cain defense was that there�s no such thing as sexual harassment. Now that Sharon Bialek, a fourth accuser, has come forward to make her name and the details of one alleged incident public, the most desperate and least scrupulous are unveiling a new defense: Bialek is a money-grubbing *beep*. There needn�t be actual evidence that she�s a money-grubbing *beep*; rather, the fact that she�s leveling these accusations is the evidence. Everything else is then filtered through that lens. Like the fact that �celebrity lawyer� Gloria Allred is representing her. Like her hair, which some have deemed too long and blonde and in-her-face. That hairstyle is �white trash,� a blogger comments, implying that she must be poor and easily bought. Bialek �Laugh[ed] About Her Hair at Presser,� Foxnew.com reports, implying that any woman who comments, when asked, that she just got her hair done must be frivolous and lying. �Nuts and sluts,� a commenter on freerepublic.com writes. �Drag $100 bill through a trailer park and see what you get.�
Rush Limbaugh is the most creative at this; little surprise there. He reports on his show that he�s been pronouncing Bialek�s name incorrectly. �Gloria Allred says her name is Buy-A-Lick, as in [slurp, slurp] Buy-A-Lick,� Limbaugh says, as captured by mediamatters.org. �There�s no 'R' in the name so you can�t say it�s Rent-A-Lick.�
http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2011/11/07/rush_limbaugh_implies_sharon_bialek_is_well_a_hooker.html
These are pretty good for this kind of thing, but I think Michelle Malkin still holds the prize with her comments about the counter tops in that kid's mom's kitchen when she didn't like what the kid said. |
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