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PatrickGHBusan
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| Are they still going by that name or have they changed it? Does anybody know for sure? They have had a hand in some recent Gyeonggi decisions. |
Seriously now, got proof of this? I do mean actual paperwork or proven facts that show they (AES) influenced the Gyeongi decision or are you just doing what most people here do when it comes with the retards at AES: stir the pot based on rumours and interpretations?
AES are a bunch of racist turds.....no debate there. Their reach however seems to have been exagerated to a hilarious extent and has turned them into some NATIONAL level nefarious organisation that conrols government policies. |
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TheUrbanMyth
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| Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 1:12 pm Post subject: |
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With the rise of China and Vietnam as teaching destinations, Korea will be in trouble. When parents realized that they've been had and that Anti English Spectrum who lobbied for these changes, it will be too late. Who will teach English to their little Min Su?
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Maybe they'll decide that learning English isn't that important as learning a certain other language. Korea's 3 most important trading partners are in order of importance, China, the U.S and Japan (in terms of trade). So two of the three biggest trading partners don't even speak English as their national language. Many places already teach Chinese and Japanese...these are also foreign language choices at many schools as well.
Seriously if parents do wake up, they'll likely realize that learning English just isn't that important unless their children are going to be working at a job that involves speaking a lot of English daily. The English craze in Korea is out of all proportion to the actual need...every kid doesn't need to know English...not even half. Most will work within Korea, doing jobs that involve no/a little English, and speak Korean daily. |
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edwardcatflap
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| The English craze in Korea is out of all proportion to the actual need...every kid doesn't need to know English...not even half. Most will work within Korea, doing jobs that involve no/a little English, and speak Korean daily. |
True every Korean kid doesn't need to learn English but it's a question of what Korean parents aspire to for their kids not the reality: study abroad and a job at a top multinational company. Also, while Korea may do a lot of business with China and Japan, from my experience teaching Korean adults who need English, they rarely do business with people from just one country. their boss might be American, they travel to China for meetings, they send emails to the Philippines etc...Right now, learning Chinese just wouldn't be as useful. |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 4:39 pm Post subject: |
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| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
| Weigookin74 wrote: |
| Are they still going by that name or have they changed it? Does anybody know for sure? They have had a hand in some recent Gyeonggi decisions. |
Seriously now, got proof of this? I do mean actual paperwork or proven facts that show they (AES) influenced the Gyeongi decision or are you just doing what most people here do when it comes with the retards at AES: stir the pot based on rumours and interpretations?
AES are a bunch of racist turds.....no debate there. Their reach however seems to have been exagerated to a hilarious extent and has turned them into some NATIONAL level nefarious organisation that conrols government policies. |
http://populargusts.blogspot.com/2011/07/update-to-achievements-of-anti-english.html
It's in their nature to behave this way. When they take it upon themselves to brag so..... |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 5:09 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| Seriously if parents do wake up, they'll likely realize that learning English just isn't that important unless their children are going to be working at a job that involves speaking a lot of English daily. The English craze in Korea is out of all proportion to the actual need...every kid doesn't need to know English...not even half. Most will work within Korea, doing jobs that involve no/a little English, and speak Korean daily. |
Actually, I was at the Asia Education Leaders Forum about 2 weeks ago and Dr. Pitsuwan (Secretary General of ASEAN) has make it abundantly clear in our conversations that English IS the working language of ASEAN and that Korea (as well as China and Japan) are members of the expanded ASEAN+3 block (encompassing more than 2 BILLION people).
In further discussions with Mr. Gwang-Chol Chang (Chief of the Education Policy and Reform Unit - Asia Pacific Regional Bureau for Education (UNESCO)) it was also made abundantly clear that reform policies amongst regional members MUST (will / do) include expanded and enhanced education in English and NOT just ESL/EFL.
This was further echoed by Dr. Witaya Jeradechakul - SEMEAO (South East Asian Ministers of Education) Secretariat Director.
SAFEA has make is very clear that China intends to import 1/2 MILLION English speaking teachers over the next 10 years.
Government programs in Korea have suffered from funding cuts (no different than those currently seen in the US) but English language education in Asia isn't going away any time soon.
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TheUrbanMyth
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| Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| Seriously if parents do wake up, they'll likely realize that learning English just isn't that important unless their children are going to be working at a job that involves speaking a lot of English daily. The English craze in Korea is out of all proportion to the actual need...every kid doesn't need to know English...not even half. Most will work within Korea, doing jobs that involve no/a little English, and speak Korean daily. |
Actually, I was at the Asia Education Leaders Forum about 2 weeks ago and Dr. Pitsuwan (Secretary General of ASEAN) has make it abundantly clear in our conversations that English IS the working language of ASEAN and that Korea (as well as China and Japan) are members of the expanded ASEAN+3 block (encompassing more than 2 BILLION people).
In further discussions with Mr. Gwang-Chol Chang (Chief of the Education Policy and Reform Unit - Asia Pacific Regional Bureau for Education (UNESCO)) it was also made abundantly clear that reform policies amongst regional members MUST (will / do) include expanded and enhanced education in English and NOT just ESL/EFL.
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That may be so. People can make all the diplomatic statements they want but the action on the ground speaks louder than words. For example LMB has spoken about the need to eliminate racial discrimination yet it persists all too often here. And funding cuts are one thing.. the wholesale elimination of the GEPIK budget is quite another.
Yes English education in Asia/Korea isn't going away anytime soon. Nor did I say it was. What I did say that if parents took a more critical look at it...there'd be less jobs involving teaching English. And I stand by my statement that "The English craze in Korea is out of all proportion to the actual need" |
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alwaysbeclosing100
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| Naver has a world website rank of 174 according to alexa.net. 8 of the top 10 websites in the world are english. 2 are chinese....baidu and qq. Even if alibaba buys yahoo it is still an english site. |
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asylum seeker
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Actually I think one of the big reasons for this possibly happening is because of the movie '도가니' ('The Crucible'). Apparently it's a true story about a whole lot of sexual/physical abuse that happened at a school for disabled kids that the authorities tried to cover up.
It's caused a huge public uproar about teachers being unsafe and all Korean teachers are having their CBCs rechecked. Even though no foreigners were involved in this incident I guess they're just doing this to make sure they're covering everyone and everything because the politicians don't want to get in trouble again if anything happens.
Still doesn't make sense to require F-visas who live here to get yearly CBCs from home of course but there you go. Maybe when the panic that the movie caused dies down a bit this will be quietly dropped. |
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Weigookin74
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PatrickGHBusan
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You cite blogs, Tom cites actual people. I will side with Tom.
These are budget cuts, not some AES fueled get the wayguks out campaign that somehow reached the government.
However, you are free to believe what you will about the reach of this turn filled AES group.
You are also free to believe the KKK controls some of the Southern States in the US.  |
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The Cosmic Hum
Joined: 09 May 2003
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| Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2011 9:39 am Post subject: |
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Yes English education in Asia/Korea isn't going away anytime soon. Nor did I say it was. What I did say that if parents took a more critical look at it...there'd be less jobs involving teaching English. And I stand by my statement that "The English craze in Korea is out of all proportion to the actual need" |
They actually need English to get a job these crazy days. 
Whether or not they actually use it very much after that...certainly questionable. |
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TheUrbanMyth
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| Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2011 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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| The Cosmic Hum wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
Yes English education in Asia/Korea isn't going away anytime soon. Nor did I say it was. What I did say that if parents took a more critical look at it...there'd be less jobs involving teaching English. And I stand by my statement that "The English craze in Korea is out of all proportion to the actual need" |
They actually need English to get a job these crazy days.
Whether or not they actually use it very much after that...certainly questionable. |
A job at the big companies yes...but elsewhere? Most jobs (shop keeper, working in a store or at a bank or elsewhere don't require that much English. Maybe at the big bank headquarters in Seoul/Busan...
I remember when I was living in Ulsan. ONE person at my bank spoke English and it was barely understandable. And this was back in 2004-05...only a few years ago and Ulsan is hardly a rural town in the boonies somewhere. |
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edwardcatflap
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| I can't imagine many Korean parents are going to look at things rationally and say something like 'my 8 year old Bum Suk is probably going to work in a store when he grows up so there's no point in him going to English hagwan.' |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2011 4:22 pm Post subject: |
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| PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
You cite blogs, Tom cites actual people. I will side with Tom.
These are budget cuts, not some AES fueled get the wayguks out campaign that somehow reached the government.
However, you are free to believe what you will about the reach of this turn filled AES group.
You are also free to believe the KKK controls some of the Southern States in the US. |
I quoted the blog because it used real sources. The last link was the translation of a real interview. Tom's info is without a doubt some of the most valuable on this board. I never disagreed with him. Some other blogs, I ignore because they tend to be more hearsay. This seems one of the more reliable because it often uses research and documentation.
I don't believe Korea is ruled by AES, but new teachers here do need to be aware of one of the very vocal factions here. I hope we all behave ourselves reasonably but also dispute misinformation, lies, and half truths when needed.
If no one ever challenges them, one day we'll all wake up and find ourselves either without a job or severly restricted. I applaud some people for improving the image of English teachers such as helping women's shelters and volunteering at orphanages. But no one saying anything about these people espousing hate is not helpful to us either.
But, we really need F2's and F5's to take the lead. Since they can't be blacklisted as easily. I have no doubt this will be a better place when the younger generation eventually takes over.
As for the language thing, Korea can dramatically improve it's tourism in the future, especially in Autumn, if there are more basic English speakers around. (Autumn scenery here is quite beautiful in the countryside.) Seoul gets most of the investment and tourism partly because of it's stellar English ability. Other regions get left behind due to their lack of English. That said, the level of English has improved compared to before. |
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Weigookin74
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| Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2011 4:25 pm Post subject: |
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| I can't imagine many Korean parents are going to look at things rationally and say something like 'my 8 year old Bum Suk is probably going to work in a store when he grows up so there's no point in him going to English hagwan.' |
Let me say one thing. Korean parents would save themselves cash if they did one thing. One parent speaks to them in English, the other in Korean. Wouldn't need hakwon's for so many years. Of course this only works to those who actually can speak English. Their English language ability will be better and it will reduce the stress level in Middle School. |
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