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jamo
Joined: 15 Jul 2009
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 Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 4:48 pm Post subject: Any Experience with R & D jobs? Curriculum Development? |
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I'm considering a different route.
This one is Gangnam. Easy to find teacher reviews of hagwon teaching jobs but not so much on the R & D jobs....research & development.
Anyone had this type of position before???
Thanks ! |
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pikachun1
Joined: 09 May 2010
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| Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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I work in a similar field about which you are inquiring. Personally, I like it more than a teaching job: stable hours, less stress, sitting, etc. Some people love teaching kids, so they don't like R&D, but I like it and it fits my personality better.
It's hard to say if it's worth it overall without knowing what your responsibilities are but ceteris paribus, I like R&D. |
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Skipperoo
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Interesting, I didn't know this was an option. Do you need special qualifications? Is the pay comparable? |
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bekinseki
Joined: 31 Aug 2011
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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The pay is almost always lower than a teaching job, or at least a decent-paying hagwon job. You don't get an apartment paid for by your employer, and most of these jobs don't sponsor you for a visa, so they tend to stick with people on an F visa.
On the other hand, it's far less stressful and leaves you with a lot more extra energy at the end of the day. |
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Zyzyfer
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?
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| Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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| bekinseki wrote: |
The pay is almost always lower than a teaching job, or at least a decent-paying hagwon job. You don't get an apartment paid for by your employer, and most of these jobs don't sponsor you for a visa, so they tend to stick with people on an F visa.
On the other hand, it's far less stressful and leaves you with a lot more extra energy at the end of the day. |
Wrong forum for thread, lol
Pay: The low end of the curriculum development scale generally starts around 2.5, no housing. Decent places can pay 3.0 or more. People with no experience will probably not get into the 3.0 jobs.
Visa: Some do, some don't. If it's an established institution then they probably are fine with getting E-7s. Some places are lazy/twisting the truth and hire people on E-2s. I don't personally know many F visas doing this kind of work.
R&D: Same deal unless it's actual R&D at an actual company, like engineering or something. Those will be much better deals and really hard for an ESL teacher to get. |
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shaunew
Joined: 17 Apr 2007
Location: Calgary
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| Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2011 4:10 am Post subject: |
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| If it's for Pagoda run away as fast as you can. |
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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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| Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2011 5:03 am Post subject: |
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Not for everyone. Great for anti social types or nerds who like to stare at computers all day. You do have to know how to write and take criticism, or you have to comb through pages of text looking for mistakes. In some ways better than teaching and in some ways worse, depending on the workload (which can be massive and monotonous) . There may be a few good gigs out there, but ask a lot of questions and for links to work samples to see what you are getting into. Not that they will necessarily tell you the whole truth but it may help.
Also, having a manager who knows next to nothing about nothing is highly likely. Last minute surprises? Check. last minute changes? check. Not enough information? check. People incorrectly checking your grammar? check. Deadline changes? yup. Headaches and eye strain? sometimes. It was good for a year but that was enough for me. |
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jamo
Joined: 15 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2011 4:20 pm Post subject: |
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thanks everyone! I guess I'll find out these details in the interview!  |
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bekinseki
Joined: 31 Aug 2011
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2011 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Zyzyfer wrote: |
Visa: Some do, some don't. If it's an established institution then they probably are fine with getting E-7s. Some places are lazy/twisting the truth and hire people on E-2s. I don't personally know many F visas doing this kind of work.
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That surprises me. The best jobs I've had were for F-visas only, or at the very least, having an F-2, -4, or -5 gave you enough of an edge over people without.
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| If it's for Pagoda run away as fast as you can. |
Or The Princeton Review. |
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Zyzyfer
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2011 6:14 pm Post subject: |
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| bekinseki wrote: |
| That surprises me. The best jobs I've had were for F-visas only, or at the very least, having an F-2, -4, or -5 gave you enough of an edge over people without. |
I'm not denying the existence of the trend. One person I know was specifically hired for his F-2. I've been interviewed for jobs where the bias for an F-visa or Korean speaker is pretty blatant (I don't know why they even call me in). But some do bother with the E-7. |
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pres82
Joined: 16 Oct 2011
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2011 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Mix1 wrote: |
Not for everyone. Great for anti social types or nerds who like to stare at computers all day. You do have to know how to write and take criticism, or you have to comb through pages of text looking for mistakes. In some ways better than teaching and in some ways worse, depending on the workload (which can be massive and monotonous) . There may be a few good gigs out there, but ask a lot of questions and for links to work samples to see what you are getting into. Not that they will necessarily tell you the whole truth but it may help.
Also, having a manager who knows next to nothing about nothing is highly likely. Last minute surprises? Check. last minute changes? check. Not enough information? check. People incorrectly checking your grammar? check. Deadline changes? yup. Headaches and eye strain? sometimes. It was good for a year but that was enough for me. |
Mix1 hit the nail on the head. On paper, my salary looks pretty good. But when you factor in taxes, housing costs, and other bills -I make less that most Hakwon teachers.
In regards to a visa, I can tell you that once you're hired, you have to convince immigration that you have relevant experience to get that E-7 visa. This shouldn't be difficult, but you gotta back it up with the right paperwork.
The manangement, organizational skills, and competency is on par with what you'd get at a hakwon. Why do I do it? Because I really truly like my job. Even under the worst conditions, I really like what I'm doing. I might be the anti-social nerd type that Mix1 describes. In fact, sitting in front of my computer all day with some good blues music playing, a stack of work, and no one bothering me kinda makes me smile a little bit. I know people who've thought this job was awful. It just depends on who you are. |
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