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Domestic Abuse in apartment beside me - what can I do?
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dcozzi



Joined: 31 Aug 2011

PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 3:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Back home I dabbled in some side research on domestic violence and equality of women internationally. I know how Korea conceptualizes it, but I just find it so hard to turn a blind eye when I have such strong feelings about it. I love Korea and openly accept so much of their culture, but I'll never accept abuse and ideology of inequality (especially when it leads to violence) in any culture.

But, a lot of you make a valid point that the police probably won't due anything. And, if I get involved and to becomes a potential altercation I'll probably be the one being blamed. I don't need that sort of fiasco right now.

My main issue is the woman. She never leaves the apartment so I haven't seen her. But the other issue is obviously that these events are obnoxiously loud and very disturbing. I have had many sleepless nights because that's all I can hear, all night long. I try listening to my iPod, but it hardly muffles her screams. Some crazy shit is going down in there. I'm getting the impression that if I call the police for a noise complaint that it may potentially help? Is this worth a try?

Now, if I do this who do I call? The local police station doesn't answer late (I've tried) and they only speak Korean. I heard that I can call 112 (the Korean equivalent to "911"), but interpreter services aren't available past 10pm. The abuse usually starts at 11pm, and goes until sometimes 5am. Suggestions?

Thanks for the posts!
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PeteJB



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 12:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Go to your landlord and complain about noise. Forget the useless cops.
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cj1976



Joined: 26 Oct 2005

PostPosted: Mon Nov 07, 2011 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I love these threads because they always bring out the Cyber Knights in White Armour. Before you think about getting involved you need to find out if she is actually getting knocked around. You have no idea what the noises actually are. Go knock on the door and take a look at her, but remember if she has a black eye, she's already been told once so go easy on her..
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ghostrider



Joined: 27 Jun 2011

PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2011 12:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think that equality is a relatively new concept, even in the West. It started out with the idea a few hundred years ago that all white men are equal. It was eventually expanded to include women and minorities. That being said, I am not here to force my western values on Koreans. I was hired to teach English not to be a cultural imperialist.
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Steelrails



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2011 1:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ghostrider wrote:
I think that equality is a relatively new concept, even in the West. It started out with the idea a few hundred years ago that all white men are equal. It was eventually expanded to include women and minorities. That being said, I am not here to force my western values on Koreans. I was hired to teach English not to be a cultural imperialist.


But they are interfering with being his able to sleep, which interferes with his teaching duties.

Just blast hardcore porno...
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Munniko



Joined: 04 May 2011

PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2011 2:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steelrails wrote:


But they are interfering with being his able to sleep, which interferes with his teaching duties.

Just blast hardcore porno...


Sadly , I totally agree with this idea if he has no other neighbors....although be careful it does not escalate the situation because it is annoying to the husband, who then takes it out on the wife, which causes you to turn up the porn.....and you see this nasty cycle starting right?

If you don't like the idea of sleeping to the sound of porn, than I would agree with the going to your landlord with a complaint about the noise.
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Mix1



Joined: 08 May 2007

PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2011 5:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

joelove wrote:
Any chance you can move? That sounds very disturbing.


There's always a chance. In fact, they could move you if they wanted to, they just don't want to.

It' s much easier for the employer to just ignore it and hope the problem goes away. It won't, so then it just becomes a matter of how much hell you can take.

The landlord should have a hand in dealing with the problem as well. Ideally he'd just kick them out but he may not be fully aware of the problem. Exhaust all possibilities.

If you blast porn while he's beating her, won't he just think his actions are somehow making the neighbors want to f....? Not sure if that's the message you want to send.
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Stan Rogers



Joined: 20 Aug 2010

PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2011 7:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cj1976 wrote:
I love these threads because they always bring out the Cyber Knights in White Armour. Before you think about getting involved you need to find out if she is actually getting knocked around. You have no idea what the noises actually are. Go knock on the door and take a look at her, but remember if she has a black eye, she's already been told once so go easy on her..


You may be onto something there. Everyone is so quick to jump to conclusions that a woman's scream must be abuse. They could be into some hardcore S&M and having the time of their lives for all you know.
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cj1976



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2011 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even if you know she is getting beaten on, what can you do? If she's not willing to leave him or do something about it herself, then that's up to her. This strongarm macho BS of 'go and beat him up' is hilarious and pathetic at the same time. Doing that will really not help matters. She's harldy going to stand there and watch you bash her fella around then thank you for it.
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Panda



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2011 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ask your coworker to write a note for you, print several out and stick one on their door or on the billboard of the building each day for a few days.

"The whole building knows you are beating your woman, police will show up if we hear it again.

Men: you are a piece of trash and a psychopath, go to see a doctor.

Woman: wake up, he doesn't care of you, leave this man or he will keep beating you until you die."


Sadly but honestly, this kind of tragedy will never disappear, this guy will keep on beating women.
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Zyzyfer



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2011 7:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cj1976 wrote:
Even if you know she is getting beaten on, what can you do? If she's not willing to leave him or do something about it herself, then that's up to her. This strongarm macho BS of 'go and beat him up' is hilarious and pathetic at the same time. Doing that will really not help matters. She's harldy going to stand there and watch you bash her fella around then thank you for it.


Thank you. Every time these threads about abusive relationships come up, plenty of people macho it up like this. I don't think any of them have seen an abusive relationship up close and personal. It's not always a case of the woman having no way out, though that can of course be the case.
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dcozzi



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2011 7:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

haha - the porn idea is pretty funny and amazing, but I'd never do it. My walls are paper thin and I'd hate to disrupt the other neighbours. I already suspect they know me from my pre-drink get-togethers I have Fridays/Saturdays.

I actually got a friend's coworker to write me letters I can put up on the main building bulletin board. I'm also going to find out who my landlord is so that I can make a noise complaint if it happens and I can't fall asleep.

Thanks for all the responses.
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Squire



Joined: 26 Sep 2010
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2011 10:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bang on the wall first to see if they quiet down

creeper1 wrote:
Grow a pair. Go up to that apartment and bang on his door. When he answers deal with him.

I can't say exactly what that means other than be intimidating. Very intimidating.

Get a strong lad ( a friend ) to back you up.

If you see his partner alone advise her to leave her boyfriend.


Getting a friend to back you up isn't growing a pair. If a guy is being noisy next door to where you live and you have to wait for a bigger friend to turn up before you confront them you are pretty much a coward
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PatrickGHBusan



Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2011 12:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dcozzi wrote:
Back home I dabbled in some side research on domestic violence and equality of women internationally. I know how Korea conceptualizes it, but I just find it so hard to turn a blind eye when I have such strong feelings about it. I love Korea and openly accept so much of their culture, but I'll never accept abuse and ideology of inequality (especially when it leads to violence) in any culture.

But, a lot of you make a valid point that the police probably won't due anything. And, if I get involved and to becomes a potential altercation I'll probably be the one being blamed. I don't need that sort of fiasco right now.

My main issue is the woman. She never leaves the apartment so I haven't seen her. But the other issue is obviously that these events are obnoxiously loud and very disturbing. I have had many sleepless nights because that's all I can hear, all night long. I try listening to my iPod, but it hardly muffles her screams. Some crazy shit is going down in there. I'm getting the impression that if I call the police for a noise complaint that it may potentially help? Is this worth a try?

Now, if I do this who do I call? The local police station doesn't answer late (I've tried) and they only speak Korean. I heard that I can call 112 (the Korean equivalent to "911"), but interpreter services aren't available past 10pm. The abuse usually starts at 11pm, and goes until sometimes 5am. Suggestions?

Thanks for the posts!



This sounds disturbing but it could be any number of things beside abuse. If it worries you, call the cops. Since you cannot speak Korean, call before 10pm when the interpreter is still there and report the screams for the past few times it happens (thereby establishing a trend for the cops). Tell them you cannot call after 10 due to lack of fluency.

Alternatively, get a Korean friend of yours to call the cops.

One thing however, the bolded statement is a bit of an assumption on your part because she (the woman) could leave her appartment while you work..so saying she never does leave is hard to establish unless you are home 24 hours a day! Just sayin.

Still, do NOT intervene in person, do NOT get physical with the guy, this would be your WORST possible choice. This is not about some misplaced adolescent bravado of "kicking his ass", that will land you in a pile of crap of your own.

So, call the police when there IS an interpreter and report what you have heard or get a Korean friend to call.
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Malislamusrex



Joined: 01 Feb 2010

PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2011 11:18 pm    Post subject: Re: Domestic Abuse in apartment beside me - what can I do? Reply with quote

Bide your time, this kind of thing was happening for 2 months, I did scream be quiet but that didn't have any affect. But one day I saw the guy and her outside and he was pushing her... lets say the problem was solved there and then. Don't be a hero, the opportunity will come.

dcozzi wrote:
When I first moved into this apartment I heard it once. It was really bad. The woman sounded like she was being badly injured. But then it stopped. Recently, it's been every night and it sounds extremely violent. She's being thrown around, she's crying, screaming, and it sounds like she's in a lot of pain. The man is just laughing. To be honest, it's happening as I write this.

This has been very upsetting for me. I told my school and they told me that in Korean this is seen as a private matter and that I wasn't to call the police.

I called my local police station, but no one answered. Who can I call in regards to this matter? Is there anything I can do? I don't speak Korean, so whoever I contact needs to be able to speak English. Any and all help is much appreciated!
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