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[etopkorea]

It looks like Adobe has given up on Flash for mobile devices and will instead focus on HTML5 and AdobeAir.

It looks like Android is losing one of its major advantages over iOS. This seemed like the one thing an iPhone owner couldn't overcome by jailbreaking their phones.

I wonder how this will affect Korean websites since they use so much Flash content?

If you want to read the statement by Adobe:

http://blogs.adobe.com/conversations/2011/11/flash-focus.html

[six]

how is this BAD news? f flash. I'm so glad it's gone, both as an iOS fan and an android user. hopefully, next stop is the PC. stupid program.

[etopkorea]

I don't particularly like Flash either. However, I made the post because the ability to use Flash has always been one of the main arguments for using Android over iOS.

I also thought it was interesting because Korean sites make so much use of Flash content and many Koreans are now using smartphones and tablets more often than computers. I wonder how this is going to play out here in Korea? I wonder how it is going to change websites in Korea?

Right now, it looks like the days of Active X in Korea are numbered, and now Flash is on its deathbed as well. These have always been the mainstay of the Korean Internet. It will be interesting to see what happens as a result.

[Underwaterbob]

If the persistence of Windows XP and IE 6 are anything to go by, not much for a very long time...

[cj1976]

i don't see the harm in flash. it came in handy during the Rugby world cup when I could watch live streams using flash. it actually worked quite well

[Swampfox10mm]

Flash on my S1 broke after a forced update by Adobe several weeks back. I was pretty angry because I was specifically avoiding an update for this very reason. Now I can't watch anything Flash. It won't uninstall or reinstall properly, either.

[pkang0202]

http://mashable.com/2011/11/11/flash-mobile-dead-adobe/

[orosee]

Flash was NEVER an issue in my decision to go Android after being an iPhone user. I'll be happy when it's gone for good, on all platforms.

[DIsbell]

I prefer Android because I don't have to pay out the nose for everything and I don't have to deal with iTunes. Drag and drop, baby.

[hallazgo]

Flash has been a security risk forever. They fix a hole, someone finds another.

As far as korean websites using it, that's not near as persvasive as their use of Microsoft active-x. That means you must use internet exploder and any
other browser will not work. Many sites have already switched over to Microsoft Silverlight for their animation needs, so I don't see flash being a big loss. Beside, HTML5 has the basis of what flash does and adobe is behind html5 now.

I would hardly characterize the loss of flash support as the end of android - that's a little over dramatic

[etopkorea]

I don't think I ever said it was the end of Android. Maybe you misunderstood, but I thought I was clear when I said it would take away a major feature of Android.

I have tried to stay out of all the Android vs. iOS threads that seem to pop up on Dave's every week or so. However, I do read them and in almost every single thread, more than one Android user has brought up the lack of Flash on iOS as a major setback for iOS when compared to Android. In fact, I remember one thread where someone mentioned that Flash was a dying technology and that HTML5 would quickly replace it, and the guy got torn to pieces by Android users telling him what an idiot he was. In hindsight, he was spot on.

All the other complaints are superfluous. Android phones have extra batteries but battery pack chargers for the iPhone are cheap and about the same size, so that's a draw.

Drag and drop is no big deal either. From what I understand, iTunes works better on a Mac than on a PC. On a PC, you can get programs that allow you to bypass iTunes and drag and drop to the phone. On Samsung phones, you have to deal with KEIS (sp?) which is apparently not a lot of fun to deal with, so again, a draw.

Finally, lots of people talk about how you have to convert video for the iPhone or how you have to actually pay for applications. Fair enough. But, the iPhone applications do seem to be of better quality overall (I guess you get what you pay for) and there are plenty of apps that allow you to play any video content available, so again, a draw.

Flash seemed to be the one thing that couldn't be replicated on iOS through jailbreaking or by purchasing an app or program, and as such, it was often used as a primary justification for buying an Android phone over an iPhone. If you don't believe me, peruse the past Android vs. iOS threads and see how many times Flash ability came up as a reason to go with Android. It's surprising how often it is mentioned and how often people mention that Korean websites make ready use of Flash. Now, suddenly, lots of people are saying Flash was no big deal and Korean websites don't really use it much. It's funny how quickly attitudes or perceptions have changed.

Anyway, my intent was never to suggest Android is dead, and I certainly never said that or hinted that. Obviously Android was out before it had Flash ability.

My question was more about how this affects the argument for one phone over the other (keeping in mind that each has weaknesses that can often be overcome in a simple enough manner), and how Korean websites, which still use plenty of flash content, will adapt to this change.

[Swampfox10mm]

Flash has been such a pain in the butt on my Android phone, I hope that sites now drop it en-mass. Not only do i-phone users not make use of it, a huge number of Android users end up with broken installations of it (like me) which cannot be corrected without resetting everything back to zero again and reinstalling the whole phone. Can you say PITA?

Flash can only be a liability for sites now, and I hope they begin using alternatives.

Die, Flash... die!

[pkang0202]

Just think of all those people who use Flash to make content who now have to learn HTML5.

[six]

I agree etop, there were many idiotic posts about "HA WE HAVE FLASH!" as if it was an advantage. I can assure you, I was never one of the posters. Every time I see a tablet ad for android, it touts flash as a "feature", which is hilarious and sad to me. As far as I'm concerned, the iOS Android battle is how anti-authority you are, not actual features.

[spanky1off]

that being said etop. you sound just as childish revelling in the demise of flash as those who hailed it as an advantage over ios

im actually switching from andorid to ios. and your wrong about kies. you dont have to touch it at all except for os updates. everything is drag n drop. from apps to media. easy as experience and can be done on any pc as long as u install the driver.

also im gonna say this...widgets and customisation is cool and im gonna miss these features. why apple dont give users at least the option i dont know.

one advantage apple does have tho is security. u can be secure in android too like pcs as long as you exercise common sense. but there are malicious apps that people d/l off 3rd party sites/torrents.