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catman
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| jvalmer wrote: |
| I'll admit I'd rather have a bunch of over-educated arrogant young people roaming around than a bunch of under-educated arrogant young adults roaming the streets. That's were Korea and Japan really excel, producing a country of well educated unemployed youth. |
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uklathemock
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| Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2011 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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| catman wrote: |
| jvalmer wrote: |
| I'll admit I'd rather have a bunch of over-educated arrogant young people roaming around than a bunch of under-educated arrogant young adults roaming the streets. That's were Korea and Japan really excel, producing a country of well educated unemployed youth. |
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I've had discussions with a lot of business owners from service to manufacturing to finance... 1. Korean grads refuse to work for small to medium enterprises. 2. Korean grads have never had a job except for tutoring. So, they're overwhelmed when they actually have to get their asses out of bed and end up quitting. 3. When your parents are perfectly happy supporting you financially until the end of time, where's your incentive?
4. Why did Korea only implement all the negative aspects of Japan? |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2011 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Anyone else read the title and picture a bunch of college kids blacked out in front of a bunch of green bottles? |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 12:12 am Post subject: |
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| uklathemock wrote: |
| catman wrote: |
| jvalmer wrote: |
| I'll admit I'd rather have a bunch of over-educated arrogant young people roaming around than a bunch of under-educated arrogant young adults roaming the streets. That's were Korea and Japan really excel, producing a country of well educated unemployed youth. |
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I've had discussions with a lot of business owners from service to manufacturing to finance... 1. Korean grads refuse to work for small to medium enterprises. 2. Korean grads have never had a job except for tutoring. So, they're overwhelmed when they actually have to get their asses out of bed and end up quitting. 3. When your parents are perfectly happy supporting you financially until the end of time, where's your incentive?
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Small to medium enterprises make up around 2/3rds of company jobs. So if grads don't work for them, who does?
And there are plenty of grads who had a job before. I would doubt that the males anyway are overwhelmed by having to get out of bed. Two plus years of COMPULSORY MILITARY SERVICE would have gone a long way to getting rid of that |
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uklathemock
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 3:02 am Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| uklathemock wrote: |
| catman wrote: |
| jvalmer wrote: |
| I'll admit I'd rather have a bunch of over-educated arrogant young people roaming around than a bunch of under-educated arrogant young adults roaming the streets. That's were Korea and Japan really excel, producing a country of well educated unemployed youth. |
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I've had discussions with a lot of business owners from service to manufacturing to finance... 1. Korean grads refuse to work for small to medium enterprises. 2. Korean grads have never had a job except for tutoring. So, they're overwhelmed when they actually have to get their asses out of bed and end up quitting. 3. When your parents are perfectly happy supporting you financially until the end of time, where's your incentive?
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Small to medium enterprises make up around 2/3rds of company jobs. So if grads don't work for them, who does?
And there are plenty of grads who had a job before. I would doubt that the males anyway are overwhelmed by having to get out of bed. Two plus years of COMPULSORY MILITARY SERVICE would have gone a long way to getting rid of that |
1. Koreans in their late thirties to forties and high school grads.
2. You'd be surprised how fast people revert back to their normal selves once they get out of the military. |
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silkhighway
Joined: 24 Oct 2010
Location: Canada
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| Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 9:32 am Post subject: |
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| I think this is a problem in many western countries, even though it is a bit more extreme in Korea. The problem in Korea is that traditional trades will not be in demand for another few decades because there still are a lot of older men who are still excellent plumbers, carpenters, mechanics and so on. What can become a problem is that it seems like very few from the new generation picks up these trades. This is already a problem in the west (at least in northern Europe where I am from) that sleeping trough a BA is more respected than being a skilled craftsman and only drop outs chose to become craftsmen. It will probably take another 20-30 years before it becomes a problem in Korea because the older generations still have these skills, but then it may come a very sharp scarcity of these skills when the older generation pass away. |
I'm going a little off-topic here, but it interests me so I'm replying anyways. There is indeed a shortage of skilled tradeworkers and aging demographic of people in the trades where I live, but it's not because students do not want to go into those fields. They have no trouble filling the high-school seats where students can complete their first block of a Red Seal certified trade, but it's an expensive program. It's also difficult finding instructors who meet the somewhat unreasonable requirements to teach trades and are willing to do it. There's also some certification inflation, 30 years ago someone could have learned a trade practically all using on the job training, these days it's a four year process.
Finally, trades are a very narrow skillset with a boom/bust demand cycle, which makes it hard to plan for demand. |
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Kimchifart
Joined: 15 Sep 2010
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It is a route that was not open for Ms Ju-sung in her day.
"I'm over 70," she cackles.
Love it. I can imagine this fiesty old b*#ch - "My grandchild WILL be successful! A doctor, an engineer, a chemist!"
There is so little realisation that success can be had in the arts...or as a chef. When Koreans realise this, their art scene will explode. |
Thousands upon thousands of arts undergrads with industrially useless degrees (myself included) and you say this? |
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jonw8uk
Joined: 29 Aug 2011
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| I am sorry the Brit system is not so good... I thoght it was a good idea but sounds like all the punks get into the shop classes |
Nah it's not that bad. That was pure exaggeration.
Lots of them go on to become plumbers, carpeners, hotelliers, makeup artits, hairdressers, media production assistants etc.
Frankly a lot of my fellow degree students were just like he described the vocational studetns behaviour and intelligence and I wondered what the hell strings they pulled to get in. |
Yeah a bit exaggerated!! And not quite accurate.
These vocational school run courses haven't replaced apprenticeships, however they are, as stated, for the kids unlikely to pass the GCSE exams.
Apprenticeships aren't as common as they were 10/20 years ago, but many companies still take them on.
To be considered for one, you must have minimum 5 GCSEs grade A-C, pass a host of psychometric tests, and interview against (usually) hundreds of other applicants. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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| uklathemock wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| uklathemock wrote: |
| catman wrote: |
| jvalmer wrote: |
| I'll admit I'd rather have a bunch of over-educated arrogant young people roaming around than a bunch of under-educated arrogant young adults roaming the streets. That's were Korea and Japan really excel, producing a country of well educated unemployed youth. |
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I've had discussions with a lot of business owners from service to manufacturing to finance... 1. Korean grads refuse to work for small to medium enterprises. 2. Korean grads have never had a job except for tutoring. So, they're overwhelmed when they actually have to get their asses out of bed and end up quitting. 3. When your parents are perfectly happy supporting you financially until the end of time, where's your incentive?
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Small to medium enterprises make up around 2/3rds of company jobs. So if grads don't work for them, who does?
And there are plenty of grads who had a job before. I would doubt that the males anyway are overwhelmed by having to get out of bed. Two plus years of COMPULSORY MILITARY SERVICE would have gone a long way to getting rid of that |
1. Koreans in their late thirties to forties and high school grads.
2. You'd be surprised how fast people revert back to their normal selves once they get out of the military. |
1. Except the Koreans in their late thirties to forties and high school grads don't make up 2/3rds of the workforce here.
2. Since the unemployment rate is not all that high here I'm sure that most people who have a job are by now used to getting up early and out of bed. And again most of them were grads at some point. |
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Who's Your Daddy?
Joined: 30 May 2010
Location: Victoria, Canada.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
2. Since the unemployment rate is not all that high here I'm sure that most people who have a job are by now used to getting up early and out of bed. And again most of them were grads at some point.
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The unemployment rate is low because a lot of the unemployed aren't looking for work, and are therefore not considered "unemployed" by government statistics.
[On a side note the U.S. stats are also a lot lower by putting so many in jail.] |
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fermentation
Joined: 22 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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2. You'd be surprised how fast people revert back to their normal selves once they get out of the military. |
Ha. I planned to wake up between 0600-0700 everyday to run just like in the Army. That lasted about two weeks. I bought two running shoes for this reason and now they're collecting dust. |
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