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diddymao
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 Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 2:26 pm Post subject: Age Discrimination for University Jobs in Korea |
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Having applied to several university jobs and not getting as many responses as I had anticipated I had a few questions:
- Is there age discrimination for someone who is in their 40's?
- Is it easier to get these jobs once you are in the country for a year by getting a Korean to help you make your introduction?
I have several years of teaching experience working with second language learners, excellent references, a MA in Curriculum and Instruction, yet I find the responses I have received on my applications to be very dismal based on my qualifications. The only thing I can think of is that there are lots of really qualified applicants or the hiring committee doesn't want to hire people who are in their 40's.
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Malislamusrex
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| Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 3:47 pm Post subject: Re: Age Discrimination for University Jobs in Korea |
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If you had solid references an MA in education and years of experiences you'd get a job... if you were in Korea.
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- Is it easier to get these jobs once you are in the country for a year by getting a Korean to help you make your introduction?
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 3:53 pm Post subject: Re: Age Discrimination for University Jobs in Korea |
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| diddymao wrote: |
Having applied to several university jobs and not getting as many responses as I had anticipated I had a few questions:
- Is there age discrimination for someone who is in their 40's?
- Is it easier to get these jobs once you are in the country for a year by getting a Korean to help you make your introduction?
I have several years of teaching experience working with second language learners, excellent references, a MA in Curriculum and Instruction, yet I find the responses I have received on my applications to be very dismal based on my qualifications. The only thing I can think of is that there are lots of really qualified applicants or the hiring committee don't want to hire people who are in their 40's. |
IF you are IN Korea you can expect replies and interviews to be scheduled in Dec. With an education related degree your chances are excellent.
If you are NOT in Korea then your chances go down (greatly) of even getting an interview (unless of course you have a directly related post graduate degree - MATESOL, MA. Applied Linguistics, ABD, PhD., etc. (curriculum development isn't one)).
In my personal experience, ageism is not an issue for university positions (E1 - visiting professor/guest lecturer) but competition is (I am in my 50s and do hold related post grad qualifications and experience teaching at the tertiary level).
bottom line:
In Korea, have a BA, present well and can interview in person you can get a position (but it won't pay well - about the same as a hagwan).
Out of Korea your chances fall off exponentially unless you have specific qualifications and experience.
If you are applying for a position as a guest lecturer in Curriculum and Instruction then feel free to ignore the above as I assumed you were seeking a position as an English teacher.
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tran.huongthu
Joined: 23 May 2011
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| Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 6:37 pm Post subject: Re: Age Discrimination for University Jobs in Korea |
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| diddymao wrote: |
Having applied to several university jobs and not getting as many responses as I had anticipated I had a few questions:
- Is there age discrimination for someone who is in their 40's?
- Is it easier to get these jobs once you are in the country for a year by getting a Korean to help you make your introduction?
I have several years of teaching experience working with second language learners, excellent references, a MA in Curriculum and Instruction, yet I find the responses I have received on my applications to be very dismal based on my qualifications. The only thing I can think of is that there are lots of really qualified applicants or the hiring committee don't want to hire people who are in their 40's. |
I find your screen name offensive and yes their is a ton of age discrimination here, so good luck. |
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diddymao
Joined: 29 Sep 2011
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| Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 8:29 pm Post subject: Re: Age Discrimination for University Jobs in Korea |
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| ttompatz wrote: |
| diddymao wrote: |
Having applied to several university jobs and not getting as many responses as I had anticipated I had a few questions:
- Is there age discrimination for someone who is in their 40's?
- Is it easier to get these jobs once you are in the country for a year by getting a Korean to help you make your introduction?
I have several years of teaching experience working with second language learners, excellent references, a MA in Curriculum and Instruction, yet I find the responses I have received on my applications to be very dismal based on my qualifications. The only thing I can think of is that there are lots of really qualified applicants or the hiring committee don't want to hire people who are in their 40's. |
IF you are IN Korea you can expect replies and interviews to be scheduled in Dec. With an education related degree your chances are excellent.
If you are NOT in Korea then your chances go down (greatly) of even getting an interview (unless of course you have a directly related post graduate degree - MATESOL, MA. Applied Linguistics, ABD, PhD., etc. (curriculum development isn't one)).
In my personal experience, ageism is not an issue for university positions (E1 - visiting professor/guest lecturer) but competition is (I am in my 50s and do hold related post grad qualifications and experience teaching at the tertiary level).
bottom line:
In Korea, have a BA, present well and can interview in person you can get a position (but it won't pay well - about the same as a hagwan).
Out of Korea your chances fall off exponentially unless you have specific qualifications and experience.
If you are applying for a position as a guest lecturer in Curriculum and Instruction then feel free to ignore the above as I assumed you were seeking a position as an English teacher.
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I observed most university contracts are starting in March so should I take a contract starting in February 2012 that in February2013? Or is timing your contract not important. What do you recommend I do? |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Mon Nov 14, 2011 10:44 pm Post subject: Re: Age Discrimination for University Jobs in Korea |
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| diddymao wrote: |
| ttompatz wrote: |
| diddymao wrote: |
Having applied to several university jobs and not getting as many responses as I had anticipated I had a few questions:
- Is there age discrimination for someone who is in their 40's?
- Is it easier to get these jobs once you are in the country for a year by getting a Korean to help you make your introduction?
I have several years of teaching experience working with second language learners, excellent references, a MA in Curriculum and Instruction, yet I find the responses I have received on my applications to be very dismal based on my qualifications. The only thing I can think of is that there are lots of really qualified applicants or the hiring committee don't want to hire people who are in their 40's. |
IF you are IN Korea you can expect replies and interviews to be scheduled in Dec. With an education related degree your chances are excellent.
If you are NOT in Korea then your chances go down (greatly) of even getting an interview (unless of course you have a directly related post graduate degree - MATESOL, MA. Applied Linguistics, ABD, PhD., etc. (curriculum development isn't one)).
In my personal experience, ageism is not an issue for university positions (E1 - visiting professor/guest lecturer) but competition is (I am in my 50s and do hold related post grad qualifications and experience teaching at the tertiary level).
bottom line:
In Korea, have a BA, present well and can interview in person you can get a position (but it won't pay well - about the same as a hagwan).
Out of Korea your chances fall off exponentially unless you have specific qualifications and experience.
If you are applying for a position as a guest lecturer in Curriculum and Instruction then feel free to ignore the above as I assumed you were seeking a position as an English teacher.
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I observed most university contracts are starting in March so should I take a contract starting in February 2012 that in February2013? Or is timing your contract not important. What do you recommend I do? |
Timing IS important as it being available for an interview in Dec.
IF you land a job (non-uni) to get you here and have it finish in Jan-Feb of 2013 you will be set to take a uni position in March of 2013.
IF you are looking for a job in March of 2012 then you have a rough road ahead of you.
You would probably be hired as an E2 (language teacher rather than an E1-subject matter / visiting professor) and if you are from the States you are unlikely to get your paperwork (degree copy with apostille and FBI check with apostille) completed in time to apply for an E2 before the start of term.
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PatrickGHBusan
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| Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 4:30 am Post subject: Re: Age Discrimination for University Jobs in Korea |
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| diddymao wrote: |
Having applied to several university jobs and not getting as many responses as I had anticipated I had a few questions:
- Is there age discrimination for someone who is in their 40's?
- Is it easier to get these jobs once you are in the country for a year by getting a Korean to help you make your introduction?
I have several years of teaching experience working with second language learners, excellent references, a MA in Curriculum and Instruction, yet I find the responses I have received on my applications to be very dismal based on my qualifications. The only thing I can think of is that there are lots of really qualified applicants or the hiring committee doesn't want to hire people who are in their 40's. |
Being in your 40s is not a disadvantage for many University positions, in fact it can be an asset since you are also qualified and experienced.
Why the low interest in your application?
If you are applying from OUTSIDE of Korea this puts you at a SEVERE disadvantage vs in-country applicants. Typically, Universities require an in-person interview for example.
There are a lot of qualified applicants, then again you too are qualified but perhaps it is because of HOW you presented yourself in your application?
Did you demonstrate the required skills and experiences clearly in your CV ad Cover Letter? Did you provide a short tailored CV or did you send a "brick" of a CV that included everytyhing you did since High School for example?
It is still relatively early in the University hiring season so you will have other chances to apply.
The biggest strike against you remains the fact that you are out of country. You CAN land a University job from outside of Korea but your odds are far lower.
Good luck. |
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diddymao
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| Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 12:14 pm Post subject: |
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Tran:
I do apologize if my screen name offended you, but i only created it in gest. It was not created to be demeaning to anyone in any way.
Tom:
I have fortunately did my fingerprint background already as I determined, based on past posts here, that it was somewhat pointless to look for positions until I had completed that task. Also, I do realize that I will most likely have to tough it out in a less desirable position in order to line myself up for a favorable position the following year. With that said, and since timing is important, I wanted to ask you if you think it is better to start a position in January or to start a position in March for the purpose of lining up a quality university position the following year? |
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PatrickGHBusan
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| Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 12:52 pm Post subject: |
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| diddymao wrote: |
Tran:
I do apologize if my screen name offended you, but i only created it in gest. It was not created to be demeaning to anyone in any way.
Tom:
I have fortunately did my fingerprint background already as I determined, based on past posts here, that it was somewhat pointless to look for positions until I had completed that task. Also, I do realize that I will most likely have to tough it out in a less desirable position in order to line myself up for a favorable position the following year. With that said, and since timing is important, I wanted to ask you if you think it is better to start a position in January or to start a position in March for the purpose of lining up a quality university position the following year? |
If I may...
A January position will leave you a couple of months break before you start the University position in March the next year.
A March position will could be tight for visa issues.
Considering those start dates you would be looking into a Hakwon position (January start) or a smaller regional University (March start and since you seem to be applying from abroad).
Good luck! |
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diddymao
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| Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2011 1:06 pm Post subject: |
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| diddymao wrote: |
Tran:
I do apologize if my screen name offended you, but i only created it in gest. It was not created to be demeaning to anyone in any way.
Tom:
I have fortunately did my fingerprint background already as I determined, based on past posts here, that it was somewhat pointless to look for positions until I had completed that task. Also, I do realize that I will most likely have to tough it out in a less desirable position in order to line myself up for a favorable position the following year. With that said, and since timing is important, I wanted to ask you if you think it is better to start a position in January or to start a position in March for the purpose of lining up a quality university position the following year? |
If I may...
A January position will leave you a couple of months break before you start the University position in March the next year.
A March position will could be tight for visa issues.
Considering those start dates you would be looking into a Hakwon position (January start) or a smaller regional University (March start and since you seem to be applying from abroad).
Good luck! |
I appreciate that information. My question to you, then would be how would a novice, such as myself, be able to distinguish which universities were small and regional applying from abroad? I think your suggestion is excellent I just wouldn't know how to really make that distinction and act on your suggested advice. |
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PatrickGHBusan
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| Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 5:04 am Post subject: |
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| diddymao wrote: |
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| diddymao wrote: |
Tran:
I do apologize if my screen name offended you, but i only created it in gest. It was not created to be demeaning to anyone in any way.
Tom:
I have fortunately did my fingerprint background already as I determined, based on past posts here, that it was somewhat pointless to look for positions until I had completed that task. Also, I do realize that I will most likely have to tough it out in a less desirable position in order to line myself up for a favorable position the following year. With that said, and since timing is important, I wanted to ask you if you think it is better to start a position in January or to start a position in March for the purpose of lining up a quality university position the following year? |
If I may...
A January position will leave you a couple of months break before you start the University position in March the next year.
A March position will could be tight for visa issues.
Considering those start dates you would be looking into a Hakwon position (January start) or a smaller regional University (March start and since you seem to be applying from abroad).
Good luck! |
I appreciate that information. My question to you, then would be how would a novice, such as myself, be able to distinguish which universities were small and regional applying from abroad? I think your suggestion is excellent I just wouldn't know how to really make that distinction and act on your suggested advice. |
Regional universities and colleges would be those outside of Seoul Central for example.
You should look for a list of Korean universities, check out their respective websites (when an English version is available) and then apply.
You can start here even if its not the best of lists:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_universities_and_colleges_in_South_Korea
This requires you do a bit of legwork but since you are applying from abroad you need to canvas the scene and apply everywhere.
You could also find the Unigwons (Hakwons on University campus) as those hire all year and that can be a good launch pad for a University position.
Once you get a job, start networking as much as you can. Get to know your co-workers and others who work University jobs. If feasible start collaboration projects related to your courses and work with other professionals. Visit some campuses to get an idea of what they are like...and so on.
By next year you should be in a pretty decent position to apply for better positions from within Korea.
Good luck. |
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Kwangjuchicken
Joined: 01 Sep 2003
Location: I was abducted by aliens on my way to Korea and forced to be an EFL teacher on this crazy planet.
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| Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 8:46 pm Post subject: Re: Age Discrimination for University Jobs in Korea |
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| tran.huongthu wrote: |
| diddymao wrote: |
Having applied to several university jobs and not getting as many responses as I had anticipated I had a few questions:
- Is there age discrimination for someone who is in their 40's?
- Is it easier to get these jobs once you are in the country for a year by getting a Korean to help you make your introduction?
I have several years of teaching experience working with second language learners, excellent references, a MA in Curriculum and Instruction, yet I find the responses I have received on my applications to be very dismal based on my qualifications. The only thing I can think of is that there are lots of really qualified applicants or the hiring committee don't want to hire people who are in their 40's. |
I find your screen name offensive and yes their is a ton of age discrimination here, so good luck. |
Why is: "Go quickly" in Vietnamese offensive? |
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ThingsComeAround
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| I thought the OP's name was a combination of P Diddy and Chairman Mao.. |
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hubbahubba
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| Got my first University job when I was 45. I know many people over 40 teaching at Uni's. Echoing other posters, it does help to be here, especially if your qualifications are not so sexy...or you're ugly...just a joke..lol |
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jackson7
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The universities in which I've worked have only "discriminated" against those who were not at least a few years older than the graduate students (28 or so was our youngest hire). The General English programs hired up to around 50 (or older, as some of those veteran teachers looked and lived quite young!). Some of the other majors hired retired American profs up to age 65 or so (and one gentleman I know is over 70). The levels of "discrimination" go up as you apply from out of the country, have little experience, or have no related graduate or post-graduate qualifications.
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