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Swampfox10mm
Joined: 24 Mar 2011
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But i'm hearing that Koreans are also required to provide local checks, so why would an F-5 be allowed to avoid an international check?
I believe these new rules, if/when they actually arrive, are good. Yes, a real pain in the butt, but good.
I just hope they don't see "Concealed Carry Weapons Permit Holder" on my CRC and think I have been in some sort of trouble. Hahha |
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litebear
Joined: 12 Sep 2009
Location: Holland
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| Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2011 2:21 am Post subject: |
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| Swampfox10mm wrote: |
But i'm hearing that Koreans are also required to provide local checks, so why would an F-5 be allowed to avoid an international check?
I believe these new rules, if/when they actually arrive, are good. Yes, a real pain in the butt, but good.
I just hope they don't see "Concealed Carry Weapons Permit Holder" on my CRC and think I have been in some sort of trouble. Hahha |
They shouldn't be able to avoid it. If they have never provided a nation wide background check they should be made to do so. They shouldn't however be expected to provide one every year if they are not returning home for anymore than a holiday.
The thing is the laws are so often just paying lip service. You just know, for example, they wont ask for CRCs from other countries people have lived in as is required in the states (I think). The laws will be presented as a step forward in terms of safety but in reality they don't go far enough and at the moment and won't be worth the extra inconvenience place on teachers. I have lived in the Netherlands for almost a year, I'll be here for another year on this contract then after that I will most likely return to Korea with my partner (on an E2 visa, I think). Will I be expected to provide a Netherlands CRC check? Most likely not. The same would be said for an F5 visa holder who maybe goes and does a year in China or Japan, they will still ask for CRC from their home country instead.
For me the best path would be all teachers (Korean, E2, F2, F4, F5) having to provide a CRC for all the countries they have lived in (within reason) when they first get their visa. As long as they remain on that Visa they should provide a Korean CRC every year. If their visa expires/gets cancelled and they need to get a new visa then they should start from scratch. Obviously the visa part doesn't apply to Korean teachers |
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NohopeSeriously
Joined: 17 Jan 2011
Location: The Christian Right-Wing Educational Republic of Korea
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| Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2011 7:20 am Post subject: |
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| Swampfox10mm wrote: |
| But i'm hearing that Koreans are also required to provide local checks |
It only takes less than 1 hour for Korean citizens to get their CRC in Korea. On the other hand, the NETs in this country who need CRC back home.... |
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NohopeSeriously
Joined: 17 Jan 2011
Location: The Christian Right-Wing Educational Republic of Korea
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| Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2011 7:40 am Post subject: |
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| Swampfox10mm wrote: |
| First of all, everyone needs to calm down and realize that EVERY time Korea comes up with some new law... and I mean EVERY time, it lacks any sort of pre-planning. Some letter comes down demanding that everyone do something (like get a CRC) by a certain date. Then the schools sit on their ass and don't actually read the letter, or notice it, until 1 week before classes. Then they call the local education offices, immigration, or whomever, all at once to raise hell. It's not long before the government gives everyone a 6-month grace period and better-defines the law. |
Is there a possibility for this gradual improvement? I don't think so. Not in this legal climate.
The Korean laws on education cater exclusively towards the KFTA (Korean Federation of Teachers' Associations). There isn't any consideration towards NETs. Hence, even hagwon owners these days are protesting against the education boards around the country because the bigwigs are making ridiculously unfeasible laws.
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| So calm down. This is just how Korean gov't works. It's inefficient. It's stupid. It's ridiculous. But that's the way it goes. Seen this kind of thing happen for years. |
There's a saying among Koreans: Laws in Korea are meant to appease high-level bureaucrats, not to protect the weak and the small.
In fact, we are the weak and the small. |
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Swampfox10mm
Joined: 24 Mar 2011
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| Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2011 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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| NohopeSeriously wrote: |
| Swampfox10mm wrote: |
| But i'm hearing that Koreans are also required to provide local checks |
It only takes less than 1 hour for Korean citizens to get their CRC in Korea. On the other hand, the NETs in this country who need CRC back home.... |
And just what's wrong with that, so long as enough time to get it is provided? If you don't want to work here and follow the rules, then find somewhere else more "comfortable" for you.
We are not Koreans, but it's still well within reason for them to find out if we were convicted of something nasty back home. So it takes more time? That's the nature of the game. |
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Swampfox10mm
Joined: 24 Mar 2011
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| Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2011 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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| NohopeSeriously wrote: |
There's a saying among Koreans: Laws in Korea are meant to appease high-level bureaucrats, not to protect the weak and the small.
In fact, we are the weak and the small. |
And the bureaucrats are elected by who?
I also have a suggestion for you -- don't live your life thinking of yourself as weak and small. That's depressing. I like to look at the positive truth that I am "needed and marketable." If one job doesn't work out, there are several more I can get within days. Why? Because I happen to be in the right place at the right time. If this ever ceases to be "the right place at the right time" then I'll move, or attempt to change my profession.
I've got a Korean friend that recently graduated with honors from Berkley. She's very smart, speaks excellent English, and is a total hottie (not that that matters, but it hardly hurts). She can't buy a job because NOBODY in the USA wants to sponsor her. Imagine, after dumping so much cash into her dream of an overseas education at a top US school, she finds that she cannot get a job and stay where she wants. She's even throwing jokes around about finding an American just to marry so she can stay. She's been trying since graduation in the spring, and her family wants her to come home. She might have to.
I hardly feel weak and small here. I'm needed, and you are too! |
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NohopeSeriously
Joined: 17 Jan 2011
Location: The Christian Right-Wing Educational Republic of Korea
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| Posted: Sat Nov 12, 2011 11:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Swampfox10mm wrote: |
| We are not Koreans, but it's still well within reason for them to find out if we were convicted of something nasty back home. So it takes more time? That's the nature of the game. |
I wasn't convicted of anything back home in Canada but I still get my CRC after 5 months. I think it's very unfair when those "nasty" education officials demand things ASAP.
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| I also have a suggestion for you -- don't live your life thinking of yourself as weak and small. That's depressing. I like to look at the positive truth that I am "needed and marketable." |
Optimism is a dangerous thinking in a country that often encourages pessimism. Korea is enjoyable as long as you are a dedicated pessimist. |
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Who's Your Daddy?
Joined: 30 May 2010
Location: Victoria, Canada.
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| Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 1:11 am Post subject: |
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| Swampfox10mm wrote: |
I've got a Korean friend that recently graduated with honors from Berkley. ...She can't buy a job because NOBODY in the USA wants to sponsor her.
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Sounds like she's on a student visa. This thread is about F-5 permanent residents of Korea. |
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Welshguy
Joined: 17 Feb 2009
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 3:06 am Post subject: |
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I am an F5 Visa holder.
Work at an Academy on Saturdays part-time. My Director asked me for an Apostilled Degree and also a Korean Police Check.
A CRC from the UK was not needed. I also scanned in my Apostilled Degree.
He said this was for the Education Department.
Will post a follow up to this post when I hear that the Education Department is happy.
On a side note, I did submit an Apostilled Degree and CRC from Scotland Yard to Immigration last year to renew my E2 (Before I got my F2 in January and F5 in June 2011) |
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litebear
Joined: 12 Sep 2009
Location: Holland
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| Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 10:37 am Post subject: |
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| Welshguy wrote: |
I am an F5 Visa holder.
Work at an Academy on Saturdays part-time. My Director asked me for an Apostilled Degree and also a Korean Police Check.
A CRC from the UK was not needed. I also scanned in my Apostilled Degree.
He said this was for the Education Department.
Will post a follow up to this post when I hear that the Education Department is happy.
On a side note, I did submit an Apostilled Degree and CRC from Scotland Yard to Immigration last year to renew my E2 (Before I got my F2 in January and F5 in June 2011) |
Thanks for that update mate |
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Ed Provencher
Joined: 15 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 1:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Working with children isn't about "sweet" visas or any other issue outside of trying to protect the kids. Sucks that Korea has finally caught up with the times? |
Look, I've taught for 5 years in this country and lived here for 8. It is legally my permanent residence. It's a bit late for them to tell me the bar fight I got in when I was 19 is suddenly going to keep me from getting a job in my country of permanent residence. Don't you think? Should I just laugh it off and pack up the family and kids and move to the other side of the planet next week?
Get real. |
I don't think it matters if one has lived in Korea for even 20 years. A person could have committed a serious crime in his home country before moving to Korea. So I think at least one nationwide CBC should be required for a permanent resident in Korea such as vDroop in order to ensure such a past does not exist.
If it's true that even a DUI or misdemeanor from 10 or more years ago will prevent a person from becoming an English teacher in Korea, that's really unfortunate. There are lot's of good folks with colorful pasts. |
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bobrocket
Joined: 26 Jan 2011
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| Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 2:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Ed Provencher wrote: |
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| Carbon wrote: |
| Working with children isn't about "sweet" visas or any other issue outside of trying to protect the kids. Sucks that Korea has finally caught up with the times? |
Look, I've taught for 5 years in this country and lived here for 8. It is legally my permanent residence. It's a bit late for them to tell me the bar fight I got in when I was 19 is suddenly going to keep me from getting a job in my country of permanent residence. Don't you think? Should I just laugh it off and pack up the family and kids and move to the other side of the planet next week?
Get real. |
I don't think it matters if one has lived in Korea for even 20 years. A person could have committed a serious crime in his home country before moving to Korea. So I think at least one nationwide CBC should be required for a permanent resident in Korea such as vDroop in order to ensure such a past does not exist.
If it's true that even a DUI or misdemeanor from 10 or more years ago will prevent a person from becoming an English teacher in Korea, that's really unfortunate. There are lot's of good folks with colorful pasts. |
I think that is the point, to get a F5 you have a background check done as your are applying to become a permanent resident in Korea. If you've been here for 10, 20 years like some, its kind of like getting kicked in the nuts with a big smile, sorry but we have to do this to everyone.
So has anyone on a F2, 4, 5 actually been asked for a new CBC by their employer? |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 4:10 pm Post subject: Re: dd |
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Since you seemed to have missed what I was saying, I will make it much clearer for you.
I called the MOE and they didn't know exactly what was going on. They told me that it depends on what gu someone lives in. So, I called a bunch of education offices from different districts and got different answers. No one seems to know exacdtly what is going on yet, so this obviously is not set down yet.
This is a current event, so I can post here if I want to. You have a problem with that? Should be follow your judgement as to what thread is 'dormant' or not?
And yes, I was making fun of you since you seem to be rambling on about which koeran teacher got fired and which one did this and bla bla bla. I'm sure we can all pull some story out of our butt and say that it represents a valid arugment to saying this should be this way or that. But that doesn't answer the original poster's question, does it? |
Except this was not a story that was pulled out of my butt...it was a news story to which I posted the link in the related thread to this. Next time read before posting...might save you some embarrassment.
Getting back on topic. As already said this law comes into effect Feb of next year or less than three months from now.
So those of us who do NOT have verified CBC's/degrees would be well advised to get on the ball NOW and start the process. Or wait and gamble that this law gets delayed. Your choice. |
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jeronimoski
Joined: 11 Apr 2011
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| Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2011 10:44 pm Post subject: dd |
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Trust me, I am in no danger of being embarrassed by the likes of you.
So please point to your evidence that this law is going into effect in February. It would be good to know if this is fact or just rumor. |
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Hank the Iconoclast
Joined: 08 Oct 2007
Location: Busan
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| Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2011 2:26 pm Post subject: |
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| I am starting a new job in March (F-2 holder) and they asked for an apostilled FBI CBC. I am starting the process today. I asked them if it had anything to do with immigration and they confirmed it did not. They also asked for my diplomas B.A. and M.A. (everybody does that) but they didn't need to be apostilled. |
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