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Kuros
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Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 6:08 pm Post subject: Pepper Spraying at UC Davis |
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Watch the video.
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Police dressed in riot gear at U.C. Davis on Friday afternoon used pepper spray to clear seated protesters from the university quad where they had set up a small Occupy encampment, pro-actively and repeatedly dousing the passively-resisting students with a chemical agent designed to cause pain and suffering in order to make it easier to remove them. |
I defy the apologists to defend this one.
Circumstances in America are spiraling out of control. |
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jrwhite82

Joined: 22 May 2010
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Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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So according to a CNN article, it sounds like the hours leading up to the pepper spraying a few things had happened.
1) They were notified that overnight camping is prohibited on campus.
2) They were ordered to remove their tents. Most students did.
3) These students were blocking a foot path, not a road for vehicles. From the video, it looked like one could easily walk safely around the protesters, so they weren't endangering traffic safety or impeding emergency vehicles.
4) The students and non-student protesters who were also present were asked to move multiple times but refused peacefully.
5) The police claim they were encircled by the protesters and regular bystanders (people just watching and not even actively protesting) and were unable to leave the situation after they deemed it was unsafe.
6) So they decided to spray a dozen or so students who were sitting on a path on the opposite side of the direction they withdrew from later in the video. Meaning these students weren't the ones even blocking them from their direction of exit.
http://edition.cnn.com/2011/11/19/us/california-pepper-spray/index.html?hpt=hp_t3
Not justifiable in my opinion according to this information. I don't know if this is an example of the entire nation of the United States "spiraling out of control" or an example of small group of policemen/women unnecessarily using force. Most Occupy protests have not ended in people getting pepper sprayed or "gently massaged" with batons. So I'm not willing to jump on the "America is going down to the flames of hell in a handbasket bandwagon" yet. But any kind of situation like this is concerning. Taken in the larger picture, every time something like this happens, it is only giving more power to the Occupy movement. Which I think is great. |
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Kuros
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Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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jrwhite82 wrote: |
So I'm not willing to jump on the "America is going down to the flames of hell in a handbasket bandwagon" yet. |
Well, I'm glad you don't accept the validity of your own strawman. Always nice to see from a poster on Dave's.
Polarization continues to increase in America, both between the 1% and the 99% (class) and Democrats and Republicans (partisan ideology). And the Congress appears unable to compromise little enough to function.
But yes, America isn't going down in flames. Its just sinking in the morass of mediocrity and hotly chasing Japan's lost decade. |
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Kuros
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Kuros
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Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 9:39 am Post subject: |
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http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/11/the-cops-we-deserve/248775/
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She said officers were forced to use pepper spray when students surrounded them. They used a sweeping motion on the group, per procedure, to avoid injury, she said. The students were informed repeatedly ahead of time that if they didn't move, force would be used, she said.
"There was no way out of that circle," Spicuzza said. "They were cutting the officers off from their support. It's a very volatile situation." |
Those of who've followed police brutality cases over the years will see the pattern at work. When accused of police brutality cops often claim to be endangered, regardless of the facts of the situation. An abusive could be driving a tank and facing off with a baby stroller, and yet somehow he/she would be the one outgunned. |
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bucheon bum
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Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 1:04 pm Post subject: |
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That is one of the more disturbing scenes from the occupy movement I've seen. What the hell was the cop doing?? It's dipshits like him that keep the movement going (for better or worse). |
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swinewho
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Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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I wish the police in the UK could do stuff like that!
They spend 80% of their day doing paper work, and the offenders get let off with a slapped wrist anyway-
1. move on please.
2. move on i'm asking you nicely.
3. face full of pepper spray
The cop did do it with some style as well. |
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bucheon bum
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Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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swinewho wrote: |
I wish the police in the UK could do stuff like that!
They spend 80% of their day doing paper work, and the offenders get let off with a slapped wrist anyway-
1. move on please.
2. move on i'm asking you nicely.
3. face full of pepper spray
The cop did do it with some style as well. |
So you have no problem with a cop nonchalantly walking over and spraying a group of people sitting on a path? Really?? |
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swinewho
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Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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So you have no problem with a cop nonchalantly walking over and spraying a group of people sitting on a path? Really?? |
No not really!
Hearing their screams made me laugh- lol  |
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Kuros
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Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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bucheon bum wrote: |
That is one of the more disturbing scenes from the occupy movement I've seen. What the hell was the cop doing?? It's dipshits like him that keep the movement going (for better or worse). |
Its standard police tactics, really. I really dont like police, and we're just beginning to see why. |
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bucheon bum
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Steelrails

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Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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In sane times, someone who "occupied" something and was told to leave, refused, and the forcibly ejected would not be a victim.
I mean what if the Tea Party did this? Would we still scream police brutality? Would the right be cheering the police? I think not.
But ignoring ideology and looking at the tactics. If a bunch of "Nazis for David Duke" did that and got pepper sprayed, then we'd say they deserve it.
The police said leave, they didn't have permission to be there in that fashion, and then they refused to leave. Apparently it was at the wrong time or place or in the wrong manner. Their rights met limits there.
Now if there was no order or law for their forcible ejection, then police heads should roll, but if there was... |
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The Floating World
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Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 9:39 pm Post subject: |
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That cop = scum. |
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Ineverlie&I'malwaysri
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Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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bucheon bum wrote: |
swinewho wrote: |
I wish the police in the UK could do stuff like that!
They spend 80% of their day doing paper work, and the offenders get let off with a slapped wrist anyway-
1. move on please.
2. move on i'm asking you nicely.
3. face full of pepper spray
The cop did do it with some style as well. |
So you have no problem with a cop nonchalantly walking over and spraying a group of people sitting on a path? Really?? |
Please don't feed the troll. |
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