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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 7:10 pm Post subject: Yan Xuetong - How China Can Defeat America |
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Yan Xuetong, the infamous Chinese hawk, provides his advice on how China can beat America.
Yan Xuetong - How China Can Defeat America
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China must shift its priorities away from economic development to establishing a harmonious society free of today�s huge gaps between rich and poor. It needs to replace money worship with traditional morality and weed out political corruption in favor of social justice and fairness. |
Good luck with that. Very easy to declare, very difficult to achieve.
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To shape a friendly international environment for its rise, Beijing needs to develop more high-quality diplomatic and military relationships than Washington. No leading power is able to have friendly relations with every country in the world, thus the core of competition between China and the United States will be to see who has more high-quality friends. And in order to achieve that goal, China has to provide higher-quality moral leadership than the United States. |
How the hell does China do that?
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The Tang dynasty � which lasted from the 7th century to the 10th and was perhaps China�s most glorious period � employed a great number of foreigners as high-ranking officials. China should do the same today and compete with America to attract talented immigrants. |
The CCP dynasty is very far from Wu Zetian's T'ang Dynasty, and also substantially less cosmopolitan.
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OVER the next decade, China�s new leaders will be drawn from a generation that experienced the hardships of the Cultural Revolution. They are resolute and will most likely value political principles more than material benefits. These leaders must play a larger role on the world stage and offer more security protection and economic support to less powerful countries. |
Yup. China is in for hard times if these are their new leaders. Of all the Chinese generations, I have the dimmest view of this one. The good news is that China's best generation, those born in the 70s, has yet to come up, but will very soon.
Anyway, this view is heavily Taoist, and owes a great debt to Sun Tzu, showing once again that the Chinese excel as archivists and scholars. Lets see if they'll manage to remember their way to defeating America. |
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young_clinton
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Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 9:22 pm Post subject: Re: Yan Xuetong - How China Can Defeat America |
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Kuros wrote: |
The good news is that China's best generation, those born in the 70s, has yet to come up, but will very soon.
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They'll all immigrate to the West. |
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sublunari
Joined: 11 Jun 2009
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Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 11:37 pm Post subject: |
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"We must make our country perfect, if we are to be perfect!" |
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Menino80

Joined: 10 Jun 2007 Location: Hodor?
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Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2011 11:47 pm Post subject: |
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YXT is a bit of a dinosaur, politically speaking, in the CCP. But I'd expect him and his ilk to get a lot of love from the 网民. God help us if China ever goes democratic. There's a lot of angry unmarriable men out there who really like to hate on everything outside of China's borders. |
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Leslie Cheswyck

Joined: 31 May 2003 Location: University of Western Chile
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Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 1:36 am Post subject: |
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To shape a friendly international environment for its rise, Beijing needs to develop more high-quality diplomatic and military relationships than Washington. No leading power is able to have friendly relations with every country in the world, thus the core of competition between China and the United States will be to see who has more high-quality friends. |
I saw that episode with Marsha joining all those clubs. But Peter messed it up with his backyard volcano. |
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:28 am Post subject: |
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Basically China will kill any future parity it could obtain with the west with its ridiculous cultural sensitivities and its resentment over being backwards for centuries like all asian countries. Both of those issues are used by asian politicians to mantain the status quo and to keep thier place at the top of the system. If China ever guaranteed its people the right to pursue happiness within the established norms that are common to the west then I don't think there would be any problems. In fact an economically succesfull Chinese population with the majority of the population able to live reasonably well would only bring about more prosperity for the rest of the world. But there will always be an autocracy in China that relies on stealing and graft to bring about money for its cronies.
In terms of technological ability the West is not losing to China but is rapidly widening the gap. Ironically it's the smart educated asians immigrating to the West that are bringing this about. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 3:28 am Post subject: |
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establishing a harmonious society free of today�s huge gaps between rich and poor...weed out political corruption in favor of social justice and fairness...provide higher-quality moral leadership...attract talented immigrants |
It looks like China is wrestling with many of the same issues the US is. |
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comm
Joined: 22 Jun 2010
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Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 4:01 am Post subject: |
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Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
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establishing a harmonious society free of today�s huge gaps between rich and poor...weed out political corruption in favor of social justice and fairness...provide higher-quality moral leadership...attract talented immigrants |
It looks like China is wrestling with many of the same issues the US is. |
I think it's more dangerous for the Chinese in the short to medium term though. The relatively representative government and "anyone can make it" attitude in the U.S., along with higher rates of corruption in China are likely to make the rich/poor gap a bigger issue there than in the U.S.
The article seems to suggest that China should do all the things that the U.S. has traditionally stood for and gained strength by, but better than the U.S. does it currently. Great idea though it may be, the trouble is in the execution. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 4:45 am Post subject: |
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"anyone can make it" attitude in the U.S., along with higher rates of corruption in China are likely to make the rich/poor gap a bigger issue there than in the U.S.
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But does anyone still believe 'anyone can make it' anymore in the US? Isn't that the whole point of OWS? How many believe Congress isn't wholly corrupt and bought by the special interests?
I don't mean to try to derail the thread away from China. It's a worthy discussion. I just wanted to point out what I saw as similarities. |
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Unposter
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Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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I believe I understand your point but I guess that is why they want to do it like the U.S. but only better.
The problem I see is that what has made Chinese successful is autocratic rule, lack of any enforceable regulations to the point where many foods and manufactured goods are dangerous and even lethal and de facto slave labor.
If China moves away from their formula for success, it may be in for a shock. They may not be as competitive as they think.
There is a lot of talk about an "Asian Century" but it is more likely to be the 22nd than the 21st in my opinion.
Japan has been seriously set back by environmental disasters.
South Korea is teetering on the bursting of a real estate bubble that if pops will bring the entire country to its knees.
China works as a forced labor camp but it is nowhere near ready to compete in the highly skilled markets.
Asia may be rising but it has quite a hill to climb.
On the other hand, I do think that increased competition from Asia and the rest of the planet will negatively impact salaries in North America and Europe unless there is government intervention.
I think taxes need to be raised on businesses and high income earners but those taxes can be offset by investing in the U.S. and providing reasonably well paid jobs.
Just cutting taxes and then seeing investors take their money abroad is not the answer and a big part of the failure of the last 20 years. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 6:11 pm Post subject: |
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Unposter wrote: |
I believe I understand your point but I guess that is why they want to do it like the U.S. but only better.
The problem I see is that what has made Chinese successful is autocratic rule, lack of any enforceable regulations to the point where many foods and manufactured goods are dangerous and even lethal and de facto slave labor.
If China moves away from their formula for success, it may be in for a shock. They may not be as competitive as they think.
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I think YXT still foresees autocratic rule, but with a virtuous bent.
Many Chinese see themselves within a very slow transition from authoritarianism (moving away from Mao's totalitarianism) towards democratic norms. China may not be ready for democracy, as I concede to my Chinese friends, but it would benefit today from far less authoritarianism. |
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Unposter
Joined: 04 Jun 2006
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Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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I agree that the Chinese people would benifit a lot from deomocracy but I think it would ruin their current economic advantage and niche in the world market.
It won't be easy for China to transition to democracy and the costs might be surprisingly high.
Maybe, I am handicapped by my cynicism but I wouldn't be surprised if some investors/companies have positioned themselves in China not because of its democratic future but specifically because it is not a democracy - just as investors and businesses used to position themselves in Central and South American dictatorships - they saw the lack of democracy as an advantage. |
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rollo
Joined: 10 May 2006 Location: China
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Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 11:57 pm Post subject: |
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I read this gibberish in the New York Times and I really do not know why they published it. It brings up no new ideas and like all the other poorly written papers written by Chinese academics it relies on alluding to some long past dynasty as some paradise instead of the feudal hell it actually was. Just rubbish. Even the title betr.ays that the author is limited intellectually. He or his family bought him a degree and a professorship. What is meant by defeat the U.S. In a war? The Olympics? Just high schooli
sh crap. About what is expected of a society which throws away it's best and brightest in favor of ideological purity. |
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The Floating World
Joined: 01 Oct 2011 Location: Here
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Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 12:31 am Post subject: |
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Yeah the whole rise of China thing is crud.
Rise of a few wealthy people / barons sure, but not the nation as a whole on any competative level other than selling cheap crap. In the arts alos perhaps.
Look how crap their tv's etc are compared to Korean ones. And the cars lol.... |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 4:41 am Post subject: |
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Look how crap their tv's etc are compared to Korean ones. And the cars lol.... |
You don't remember when all the trashy stuff came from Japan, do you? It's a phase you go through when industrializing. |
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