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jrwhite82
Joined: 22 May 2010
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| You describe a story that you are experiencing in which you do not work because you aren't getting paid. |
No, I am describing a situation in which I am getting paid, but they want me to do something extra without compensation.
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| Then you say don't teach under a promise. |
I do teach under a promise.
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| Yet, every month, you teach under a promise. |
I was commenting based on airfare, not on working. If the thread revolved around working, then I would have meant working.
I would not work until I was compensated for the airfare. After you arrive, you have fulfilled that obligation. That would be like working one month, fulfilling that obligation and not being compensated. Do you get it now or do you need charts?
Learn to read within context. STOP PICKING APART EVERYTHING AND MAKING FALSE STATEMENTS ABOUT ME. |
I think the more appropriate solution would be for you to stop making outlandish, ridiculous, and/or false statements. Then you wouldn't need to back track on them.  |
Where did I say I wouldn't teach a month before I got paid for that month? Put me to shame and show me. I was talking about airfare compensation before teaching. This was not understood clearly and instead of accepting it and moving on, you feel a need to twist my words to make it look like I intended on it meaning I wouldn't teach without being paid for those teaching days in advance.
I don't know if you are bored, if you enjoy this, or whatever the situation is. It's not how I spend my time, so I don't understand your motives in doing this.
Intelligent people can scroll back and see where the confusion might have occurred and they can see where it was clarified. You are on your own to accept it or reject it. I don't really care.
If you reject and work after not being compensated for airfare, you only have yourself to blame. I wouldn't work until I was compensated.
Get a new hobby jrwhite82, you aren't making friends with this kind of behavior/attitude. |
We've already gone over how you said one thing and now you're changing it. It's called backtracking.
Also, we've gone over how things you say don't even make sense and are incomprehensible.
We've also gone over how you are just flat out wrong about claims you have made in this thread.
The reason why I continue to call you out and point out the plethora of mistakes you make is because you give bad advice. Bad advice that can hurt teachers that are looking for help. |
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koreatimes
Joined: 07 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 5:46 am Post subject: |
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| We've already gone over how you said one thing and now you're changing it. It's called backtracking. |
We? Like others agree with you. LOL, it's more like "we" can see you misread my posts, assumed something wrong, and you are trying not to admit you misread my posts when you accused me of not following a thread after I missed one post.
Have some integrity, admit you goofed. I admitted I missed the second post by the original poster. You aren't a lesser person.
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| The reason why I continue to call you out and point out the plethora of mistakes you make is because you give bad advice. Bad advice that can hurt teachers that are looking for help. |
Let's compare. I am saying NOT to pay for airfare or get compensated after you arrive. I don't see this as bad advice.
If someone works without being compensated for airfare, then they run the risk of having what happened to the original poster happen to them.
I am repeating myself, so, I'll probably be less active in this thread unless you want to discuss something else. People can see what I posted and I clearly was not talking about trying to get paid for work before teaching. |
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bbunce
Joined: 28 Sep 2011
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| Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 5:46 am Post subject: |
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| If I had insisted on getting the airfare back before working, what would I have done if he said, "Ok, I'll find someone else". Now I would be out $2000 because I'd have to buy another ticket to escape the country. I kept my mouth shut hoping the guy would be human but I was wrong. However, since I was patient, I now have a different job with a higher salary and a great boss. He will pay either way and I will win. If it only costs him time to address the issue, I win. If I actually win the lawsuit, that's a bonus. |
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koreatimes
Joined: 07 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 5:49 am Post subject: |
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| I kept my mouth shut hoping the guy would be human but I was wrong. |
Yes, then he used you, and then he didn't pay for the airfare.
If you came to work for him, and he saw you there, then he is more inclined to pay you then. Teachers have problems with schools when they leave, not when they start.
So you should have insisted on being paid in the beginning. |
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jrwhite82
Joined: 22 May 2010
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| Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 6:51 am Post subject: |
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| We've already gone over how you said one thing and now you're changing it. It's called backtracking. |
We? Like others agree with you. LOL, it's more like "we" can see you misread my posts, assumed something wrong, and you are trying not to admit you misread my posts when you accused me of not following a thread after I missed one post.
Have some integrity, admit you goofed. I admitted I missed the second post by the original poster. You aren't a lesser person.
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| The reason why I continue to call you out and point out the plethora of mistakes you make is because you give bad advice. Bad advice that can hurt teachers that are looking for help. |
Let's compare. I am saying NOT to pay for airfare or get compensated after you arrive. I don't see this as bad advice.
If someone works without being compensated for airfare, then they run the risk of having what happened to the original poster happen to them.
I am repeating myself, so, I'll probably be less active in this thread unless you want to discuss something else. People can see what I posted and I clearly was not talking about trying to get paid for work before teaching. |
We (you and I) have gone over how what you said is wrong about 2 months, forfeiting the right to make a claim, and your slave comment.
We (you and I) have gone over how you say things that don't make sense.
We (you, I) have now gone over how you are backtracking and are trying to change what you said. It was not a misunderstanding on my part. It was either A) a miscommunication on your part of which I and TUM had to question you to make you clarify it. or B) (which I'm 99% sure is the case) Is you said something really ridiculous, and realized it, but are now trying to say I misread it as a way to save face.
These are the reasons why a lot of your advice is bad. These are the reasons why I continue to correct you.
As you have read in my previous posts, when you do say something that is correct I acknowledge it. It works both ways. It's just that you make a lot of mistakes, nonsense, backtracking. So it's a lot of work on my part.
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jrwhite82
Joined: 22 May 2010
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| Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 6:58 am Post subject: |
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| I kept my mouth shut hoping the guy would be human but I was wrong. |
Yes, then he used you, and then he didn't pay for the airfare.
If you came to work for him, and he saw you there, then he is more inclined to pay you then. Teachers have problems with schools when they leave, not when they start.
So you should have insisted on being paid in the beginning. |
This is great advice.
But not of much help to the OP. That ship has sailed.
Bbunce - If you think it is also worth your time and effort to drag this out in court, then go for it. Don't count on winning though. And do remember to take into account any expenses you might occur along the way. (lawyer, court fees, countersuit if he wants to claim you damaged his business (probably a losing battle on his part, but you never know), losing money or vacation days for time off from work to appear in court, travel expenses to go to and from the court house, etc...) All that stuff will add up and might make it not worth it to fight this to the bloody end.
Good luck. |
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koreatimes
Joined: 07 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 7:08 am Post subject: |
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| It's just that you make a lot of mistakes, nonsense, backtracking. So it's a lot of work on my part. |
I'll save you the trouble. Your post has been received, ignored, now it's time to move on. Attack someone else. The bully can have his playground by himself.
bbunce, if others are telling you to take legal action but you won't win, I wouldn't take that as good advice. If you aren't going to win or be able to collect on it, then it's just a waste of time. Learn your lesson and don't repeat the same mistakes. |
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akcrono
Joined: 11 Mar 2010
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| Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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| More trolling from koreatimes. Much like the newspaper, he is filled with rhetoric and inaccurate information. |
I don't know how it is trolling. I stated my opinion. Your reply really had nothing to do with mine, and it seems like just an attack before you presented your opinion.
I don't feel you were trolling. I would do the same if I were the original poster, but I doubt legal measures will bring in enough money to compensate him for all the trouble it's worth. It's basically a lost cause. That's why I would collect on the airfare before working. |
You write about a red herring in giant red letters after someone responds to you going off topic. If that's not trolling, I don't know what is.
In most circumstances, its impossible to collect airfare before working. My first contract specifically states that I won't receive it until my first paycheck. I actually let them give it to me a month later than I was supposed to because my school was also going through financial troubles.
You came in saying that you don't work with the promise of getting paid later, which other posters have already refuted. While you do give good advice about trying to collect what's owed to you as soon as possible, refusing to work as soon as you get here really gets things off on the wrong foot. It's better to hold someone to their word, and take them to court when they break it.
It's better if we don't discuss the slave issue again, but please try not to mention it in situations like this; it can get people upset and derail the thread very quickly. |
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koreatimes
Joined: 07 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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| refusing to work as soon as you get here really gets things off on the wrong foot. It's better to hold someone to their word, and take them to court when they break it. |
That's not 100% the teacher's fault. The agreement is the teacher would pay for airfare because maybe they will cancel and then the school is out. The proof is when the teacher shows up to work and they are ready to teach. They need to then be compensated.
If you bought school supplies you should also be reimbursed. My current school changed locations, so now I have to take a bus. This was never in the contract because before I was within walking distance. The school now gives me transportation money.
If you don't agree, that is your choice. Not mine. A school has to pay airfare at some point or the teacher is working for free. It's NOT going to be me.
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| It's better if we don't discuss the slave issue again |
Ok, "philanthropist".
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| it can get people upset and derail the thread very quickly. |
I don't want to upset anyone. People can assume they are buying a one way ticket to kimchi heaven when the school decides not to reimburse them for airfare.
I am done with this thread. Do what you want. |
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jrwhite82
Joined: 22 May 2010
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| Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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| It's just that you make a lot of mistakes, nonsense, backtracking. So it's a lot of work on my part. |
I'll save you the trouble. Your post has been received, ignored, now it's time to move on. Attack someone else. The bully can have his playground by himself.
bbunce, if others are telling you to take legal action but you won't win, I wouldn't take that as good advice. If you aren't going to win or be able to collect on it, then it's just a waste of time. Learn your lesson and don't repeat the same mistakes. |
Everything I have called you out on is based on something you posted. So once you stop with the nonsense, I will have nothing to say.
You accused me of attacking you by misrepresenting and twisting your words. I now count 2 other people who read your "work with a promise to be paid later statement" the same way I did. |
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koreatimes
Joined: 07 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:15 pm Post subject: |
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| I now count 2 other people who read your "work with a promise to be paid later statement" the same way I did. |
Go play with them then. They also are wrong.
We were talking about airfare. Saying I went off topic and talked about monthly salary is you going off topic, not me.
I would get compensated for airfare before I started working or I wouldn't pay for the airfare to begin with.
Volley back with your friends. I am not going to repeat myself. You can make another lie about me if the admins allow, and this dialogue can end with that lie. I don't care. |
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jrwhite82
Joined: 22 May 2010
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| Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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How many times are you going to say you are done with this thread and then come back?
I'm just glad that the OP is making a choice based on his real rights (not ones you made up), knows that he is not being greedy (like you falsely accused him of), learned his lesson about signing documents (which we both agree on), and has a better job now anyway.
He is happy enough to take this guy to court knowing that he probably won't win. So he knows the risks and is fully aware that he might (probably will) wind up losing more than he has to gain. But it will at least be a thorn in this owner's side for a while. Who knows they might settle and the OP can get something. And then hopefully, this owner won't try to screw over the next guy who comes. So if the OP is aware of the risks and is prepared to pay them and feels comfortable going for it, there is no harm in that. |
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akcrono
Joined: 11 Mar 2010
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| Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 2:00 am Post subject: |
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| I now count 2 other people who read your "work with a promise to be paid later statement" the same way I did. |
Go play with them then. They also are wrong.
We were talking about airfare. Saying I went off topic and talked about monthly salary is you going off topic, not me.
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Yea, all these people must be wrong 
He brought up monthly salary as an example to counter your idea of not working until you get paid. Your point was off topic, as the OP was asking what he could do in his current situation, not what he could have done differently or his policies about getting reimbursed. Again, getting reimbursed ASAP is good advice from you, but your reasoning wasn't. He provided the example to explain that to you.
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That's not 100% the teacher's fault. The agreement is the teacher would pay for airfare because maybe they will cancel and then the school is out. The proof is when the teacher shows up to work and they are ready to teach. They need to then be compensated.
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They need to be compensated based on the wording of the contract. If they propose something different, it's up to you to agree/decline, and then be ready to back it with legal force if need be.
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If you bought school supplies you should also be reimbursed. My current school changed locations, so now I have to take a bus. This was never in the contract because before I was within walking distance. The school now gives me transportation money.
If you don't agree, that is your choice. Not mine. A school has to pay airfare at some point or the teacher is working for free. It's NOT going to be me. |
This I can agree with, as long as you needed the supplies and didn't spend an unreasonable amount for them.
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| It's better if we don't discuss the slave issue again |
Ok, "philanthropist".
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I tried to deal with that issue in a respectful manner, apparently you would rather dredge it back up.
English teachers are not slaves. The fact that no one agrees with you on this issue either is a sign you should revisit your position.
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| it can get people upset and derail the thread very quickly. |
I don't want to upset anyone. People can assume they are buying a one way ticket to kimchi heaven when the school decides not to reimburse them for airfare.
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If you didn't want to upset anyone, you wouldn't have brought it up. |
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koreatimes
Joined: 07 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 2:20 am Post subject: |
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| English teachers are not slaves. The fact that no one agrees with you on this issue either is a sign you should revisit your position. |
I never said English teachers were slaves. Lie. But, if you work for free..... |
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akcrono
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| Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 3:01 am Post subject: |
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| English teachers are not slaves. The fact that no one agrees with you on this issue either is a sign you should revisit your position. |
I never said English teachers were slaves. Lie. But, if you work for free..... |
Then you're classed as something else. |
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