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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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Thanks for the advice. Jui Jitsu originates from Judo, I do believe? But nowadays, Judo is more for sport? I do know in Korea, you can go 5 times a week versus 2 or 3 times in the west. So, you can theoretically get your black belt quicker. There is a pretty cheap Judo class not far away from me. (Foreigner discount.) I'd still like to learn some of the Hapkido moves in the future if they're usuable. But as some of you say, it might not be practical in street fighting or self defense. But if you trained to become a 3rd or 4th degree black belt, then it would be better? I know a guy who is about that now in it, but he took MMA and Jui Jitsu beforehand. So, it seems to work for him.
But the advice I seem to be getting is to try something else first. Judo, boxing, etc. Also, practice your strength at kicking and punching. |
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The Floating World
Joined: 01 Oct 2011
Location: Here
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| Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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| I'd still like to learn some of the Hapkido moves in the future if they're usuable. But as some of you say, it might not be practical in street fighting or self defense. But if you trained to become a 3rd or 4th degree black belt, then it would be better? |
You realise to become a 3rd or 4th dan black belt at a REAL hapkido dojang will probably take 3 yrs or so? Heck longer perhaps.
Anyhow I've seen enough videos and heard enough stories of black belts in karate, other ne asian styles etc going to an mma gym and asking to test their skills and getting beaten by guys that have been training in boxing / muay thai for only a year.... |
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Zyzyfer
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?
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| Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 6:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Weigookin74 wrote: |
| I'd still like to learn some of the Hapkido moves in the future if they're usuable. But as some of you say, it might not be practical in street fighting or self defense. But if you trained to become a 3rd or 4th degree black belt, then it would be better? |
If you don't have a sparring partner of your own then I don't think most Hapkido grabs would be easy to master for self-defense purposes. But some of the grabs and breaks are quite fun (read: fulfilling) to execute, and since it's so oriented around counters, anything you do master will look really cool and drop a fool like nobody's business. I've got a thing for counter grapples. 
Boxing is a really good one to take up, the athletic end alone would be worth it. I flushed out though because I'm a little too out of shape so the guy had me doing conditioning exercises for months and months and months...meh. |
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fermentation
Joined: 22 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 4:41 am Post subject: |
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| Weigookin74 wrote: |
| Thanks for the advice. Jui Jitsu originates from Judo, I do believe? But nowadays, Judo is more for sport? |
Yes and no to both questions. Brazilian Juijitsu, has its roots in judo share many similarities but it is a different style entire. It was developed independently in Brazil. Judo is a sport but it has it's roots in self-defense. Jigoro Kano, the founder of Judo, developed it as a way for smaller, weaker individuals to effectively fight back against bigger aggressors. Don't underestimate the effectiveness of judo in a self-defense environment because it is a sport. A skilled judoka can toss you on your back and choke you out or snap your arm in a matter of seconds. My old instructor also taught us a lot of self-defense judo techniques that illegal in competition.
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| I'd still like to learn some of the Hapkido moves in the future if they're usuable. But as some of you say, it might not be practical in street fighting or self defense. But if you trained to become a 3rd or 4th degree black belt, then it would be better? |
The issue hapkido is that like stated before, is the lack of sparring. Even if a technique is effective, it is useless if you don't practice it against a live resisting opponent on a regular basis. Experienced guys with years of drilling and conditioning may pull it off, but why not go for a martial art that is just as effective with less experience? If you're looking for something more applicable in a shorter amount of time, judo and boxing is a better bet.
Another problem with pure self-defense oriented techniques in hapkido is that they rely too much on timing, experience, and finding the right spot (like a pressure point or nerve). But boxing, judo, and BJJ have its basis on more basic elements such as leverage, and positioning. Hapkido has a weaker time/effort : effectiveness ratio than the other styles mentioned.
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But the advice I seem to be getting is to try something else first. Judo, boxing, etc. Also, practice your strength at kicking and punching. |
If you have your mind set on hapkido, go for it. But be prepared to shop around for a legit gym that possibly offers sparring, and also be prepared to be disappointed when you realize you can't pull of most techniques in a matter of weeks or even months. |
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travel zen
Joined: 22 Feb 2005
Location: Good old Toronto, Canada
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| Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 5:33 am Post subject: |
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That's funny.
Of course, I also (obviously?) kid. Looking for death isn't on my Bucketlist  |
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Charlie Bourque
Joined: 27 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 8:17 am Post subject: |
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For the amount of time/money you'd spend on taekwondo, you'd be better off learning to box. I was a full-time taekwondo and kendo instructor for a few years in my early 20s, and I never felt as humbled as when I started boxing and wrestling. The fancy kicks from taekwondo don't work so well when someone is trying to drag you to the ground. Heck, they don't work whatsoever when you're in a confined space, or are being held/pinned.
I've personally seen boxing+judo/wrestling used to devastating effect at a few nightly watering holes in Montreal. I had a friend visiting that was rather mouthy and he got into it with a few gentlemen. Every time someone lunged at him, he'd jab their noses off; every time they'd grab him, he'd uchi mata them to the pavement.
Truthfully, there's no "best martial art" for defending yourself against a bunch of armed douchebags. Being a strong runner is the best preparation you can have for an unexpected - and often one-sided - assault. The best part about being a strong runner? It's practically free to train! 
On a side note, Bas' tips on barfights are comedy gold. I never get tired of El Guapo. <3 |
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happiness
Joined: 04 Sep 2010
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| Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2011 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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i dont know. i was talking to a guy whos been here as long as I have been and about the same age, and our experiences were so different. Were both about 6 feet tall, but hes been hasseled and spit on, and I never have, in about 11 years. I did find a loogie on my sleeve, but I was leaning on a subway wall, yes, ewwwwww.
i think its alot of how you carry yourself. I have been told Im a bit intimidating, my facial expression, but dont know. |
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MollyBloom
Joined: 21 Jul 2006
Location: James Joyce's pants
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| Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 7:04 am Post subject: |
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| [, grappling MAY work in a one on one fight but that RARELY (as in 5% of the time or less) happens. |
Been in a lot of fights then, have we? 
Just wondering how else you get this statistic... |
Anyone that has studied martial arts knows these types of statistics. You are looking way too into it. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 3:32 pm Post subject: |
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| chrisinkorea2011 wrote: |
| [, grappling MAY work in a one on one fight but that RARELY (as in 5% of the time or less) happens. |
Been in a lot of fights then, have we?
Just wondering how else you get this statistic... |
Anyone that has studied martial arts knows these types of statistics. You are looking way too into it. |
Note the emoticon. That indicates that I am joking.
Far be it from me to contradict a lady, but may I suggest it is perhaps you who is looking "way too in it"? |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Thanks everyone. I think next month I'm going to look into Judo instead and maybe eventually some boxing. I've done independant research online too and the info seems to keep coming up the same. Many martial arts just aren't as effective as we like to think they are. |
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fermentation
Joined: 22 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 5:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Weigookin74 wrote: |
| Thanks everyone. I think next month I'm going to look into Judo instead and maybe eventually some boxing. I've done independant research online too and the info seems to keep coming up the same. Many martial arts just aren't as effective as we like to think they are. |
Good luck man. Judo can be a tough sport but it is a lot of fun. I really liked it when I trained in it. If your goal is self-defense, you could talk to the instructor about it and see if he has classes focusing on that. Because some gyms have particular sessions that are about self-defense (the root of judo). Also see if the gym trains alot in 꾿히기, the ground fighting portion of judo that involved pins, chokes, and joint locks. These techniques are invaluable to self-defense in my opinion. The focus on groundfighting varies from gym to gym.
I'd also like to add that if your ultimate goal is self-defense, I highly suggest taking boxing or kickboxing at some point and geting some sparring. |
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MollyBloom
Joined: 21 Jul 2006
Location: James Joyce's pants
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| Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
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| chrisinkorea2011 wrote: |
| [, grappling MAY work in a one on one fight but that RARELY (as in 5% of the time or less) happens. |
Been in a lot of fights then, have we?
Just wondering how else you get this statistic... |
Anyone that has studied martial arts knows these types of statistics. You are looking way too into it. |
Note the emoticon. That indicates that I am joking.
Far be it from me to contradict a lady, but may I suggest it is perhaps you who is looking "way too in it"? |
Perhaps, but to be honest, that emoticon doesn't give off a clear sense of emotion. Don't you think by now they would create better ones? And why don't they have noses? Those without that particular appendage might feel a bit...slighted. |
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