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Privateer
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 Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 12:31 am Post subject: Newt Gingrich on Child Labour |
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http://www.nationofchange.org/gingrich-calls-child-labor-laws-stupid-wants-replace-janitors-poor-kids-1321809928
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In an anti-government diatribe that would be funny if he weren�t serious, GOP presidential candidate Newt Gingrich told a crowd at Harvard�s Kennedy School of Government yesterday that child labor laws are �tragic� and �stupid� and have �done more to create income inequality in the United States than any other single policy.� In a proposal that he freely admitted was �extraordinarily radical,� he called for firing all school janitors and replacing them with poor students. Politico reports:
�This is something that no liberal wants to deal with,� Gingrich said. �Core policies of protecting unionization and bureaucratization against children in the poorest neighborhoods, crippling them by putting them in schools that fail has done more to create income inequality in the United States than any other single policy. It is tragic what we do in the poorest neighborhoods, entrapping children in, first of all, child laws, which are truly stupid.� [...]
�Most of these schools ought to get rid of the unionized janitors, have one master janitor and pay local students to take care of the school. The kids would actually do work, they would have cash, they would have pride in the schools, they�d begin the process of rising.� |
Yes, Gingrich wants schoolchildren to begin 'the process of rising' by working as school janitors and, handily killing 2 birds with 1 stone, getting rid of unionized janitors.
Unions out!
Child labour in!
Have we finally reached the point where conservatives can say these things publically just as they always have privately? Probably not yet, but we're getting there. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 4:54 am Post subject: |
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| Have we finally reached the point where conservatives can say these things publically just as they always have privately? Probably not yet, but we're getting there. |
Oh, we're there alright. And if you're poor, it's your own darn fault. (H. Cain)
This is just one more example of how many on the right want to return to the 19th Century...or earlier.
Isn't there a stronger word than 'reactionary'?
That saint of the right who wrote that book about the Road to Serfdom was just channeling Karl Rove. Blame the left for what the right is doing/wants to do. More than one wants to return the election of Senators to state legislatures and others have openly said they want to retrict the right to vote to property owners. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 6:37 am Post subject: |
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Maybe he has a point?
Why hire a janitor when if every child does 5-10 minutes of work each, the school would be clean?
Okay, maybe not elementary school. The kids would do a crap job. But certainly middle or high school students can do something.
And wouldn't it teach kids about respecting their environment and generating less waste and leading more sustainable life styles and respecting the labor of the poor and 50 other liberal talking points?
Just because children are working does not make it child sweatshop labor.
If Nader proposed this idea under the guise of promoting "sustainability education" Progressive-Greens would be singing his praises. Gingrich proposes the same idea and its evil.
Or do you favor a system where school children are not educated to clean up their pollution and liter and instead pass the buck onto a lower-class member of society?
Oh snap, it all depends on the wording...
"How dare children in school clean up after themselves. That's child labor. The janitor should take care of that."
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"Why don't Korean kids/Koreans have any concept of cleaning up after themselves??? My school is full of litter, why back home we'd all have to clean up after ourselves. They just think someone else, lower in status, will clean up after them." |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 6:57 am Post subject: |
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| Maybe he has a point? |
Even a pin-head has a point, but if he wears his hat, no one will see it. 
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If Nader proposed this idea under the guise of promoting "sustainability education" Progressive-Greens would be singing his praises. Gingrich proposes the same idea and its evil.
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You keep saying these things like they were facts rather than just your opinion. It is a lot less than convincing.
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| "Why don't Korean kids/Koreans have any concept of cleaning up after themselves??? My school is full of litter, why back home we'd all have to clean up after ourselves. They just think someone else, lower in status, will clean up after them." |
This is odd, too. In the two Korean high schools and two middle schools I worked in, the kids did do the janitorial work. Did I stumble on the only school systems in the country where this was the norm? |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
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| Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 8:28 am Post subject: |
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In many Korean public schools there are no janitors.
The children stay after school on designated days and do the cleaning of classrooms and bathrooms. |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 5:15 pm Post subject: |
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| The differnce is that all the kids do it in Korea, not just the poor ones. It's a stupid idea, lets make the underclass of children clean our schools while the others play, study, or do things like join sports teams etc. Let them learn their place early in life, they can practice their future career. They don't learn about being clean though, my Korean students are terrible at cleaning up after themselves and leave trash all over the place. As for the kids cleaning thing, do we really want to make kids hate school more than they already do? |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 10:43 pm Post subject: |
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| This is odd, too. In the two Korean high schools and two middle schools I worked in, the kids did do the janitorial work. Did I stumble on the only school systems in the country where this was the norm? |
More saying that if things went one way, people would complain about one thing, and if they went the other way, people complain about the other. |
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Butterfly
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| Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 8:05 am Post subject: |
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| I rather wonder if these people say such thing just to get a rise out of the libtards and have long since forgotten what they believe in, except that they get a kick out of being a a**h**e. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 8:21 am Post subject: |
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| I rather wonder if these people say such thing just to get a rise out of the libtards and have long since forgotten what they believe in, except that they get a kick out of being a a**h**e. |
That's not the case with Gingrich.
Newt Gingrich thought he was stating the obvious when he said it would be inhumane to deport longtime immigrant residents. He was wrong.
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If America started aggressively rounding up all the illegal immigrants, support for that course of action would fall precipitously from its current level. Some folks would change their minds after seeing the screaming, tearful families on the news; others when they realized that their dry cleaner or gardener or neighbor or co-worker was secretly undocumented. There would literally be millions of heart-wrenching stories.
America would also feel a lot more like a police state.
Gingrich is a smart enough operator to have thought through the political consequences of any measure he might've proposed back in the 1990s, so he understands all that intuitively by now.
The most savvy restrictionists know it too. It's why they favor handling the illegal immigrants already here through attrition, and go so far as to claim that mass deportations are a straw-man. Perhaps it was these restrictionist wonks Gingrich was thinking of when he thought he could get away with, "I don't see how the party that calls itself the party of the family is going to adopt an immigration policy that destroys families who have been here for a quarter century." |
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rgil627il
Joined: 31 Oct 2011
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| Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 11:19 pm Post subject: |
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| what a revolting man... |
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