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Seoulman69



Joined: 14 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 9:07 pm    Post subject: Has Korea made you more nationalistic? Reply with quote

Before I moved to Korea I didn't care where the products I bought came from. I didn't care who British companies employed. I didn't care about British companies.
When I came to Korea and saw Koreans supporting Korean businesses it opened my eyes. I was suprised that Korean companies would employ Koreans no matter where in the world the offices are.
Now, after 5 years, I find myself trying to buy British products whenever I can. I also believe that British companies should employ as many British workers as possible ahead of other nationalities.
When I go home people are suprised to hear my say these things. Some even go so far as to insult me and call me a BNP supporter. I am most definitely not a BNP supporter but comments like "British jobs for British people" do resonate with me.

My question is, has Korea made you more nationalistic? Or perhaps you always were nationalistic.
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eamo



Joined: 08 Mar 2003
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 9:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No.

Korea has made me less nationalistic because I've met too many Koreans who believe in ridiculous untrue nonsense because it supports their view of their country, or supports hate for another country.

And I don't want to ever be like that.
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cj1976



Joined: 26 Oct 2005

PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 9:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

eamo wrote:
No.

Korea has made me less nationalistic because I've met too many Koreans who believe in ridiculous untrue nonsense because it supports their view of their country, or supports hate for another country.

And I don't want to ever be like that.


Ditto. Just because there are lot of tools in Korea, doesn't mean I have to be one of them. Be your own man with your own principles.
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nathanrutledge



Joined: 01 May 2008
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I studied economics as an undergrad. In a nutshell, if you only buy products from your country, then your country will fail. If your country doesn't trade with other countries, then businesses fail. If you don't buy foreign products, then the foreigners won't have your countries money to buy your products.

Long story short, being nationalistic in your purchases actually has the opposite effect, driving your businesses out of business.
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Yaya



Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm a Korean American who doesn't find many things Korean interesting anymore but at the same time, I realize that looking through U.S.-centric glasses isn't good, either.

I'd say I've become less nationalistic toward either the U.S. and Korea and negative toward other cultures I don't find appealing at all (but that's another story).
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adzee1



Joined: 22 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 9:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Has Korea made you more nationalistic? Reply with quote

Seoulman69 wrote:
Before I moved to Korea I didn't care where the products I bought came from. I didn't care who British companies employed. I didn't care about British companies.
When I came to Korea and saw Koreans supporting Korean businesses it opened my eyes. I was suprised that Korean companies would employ Koreans no matter where in the world the offices are.
Now, after 5 years, I find myself trying to buy British products whenever I can. I also believe that British companies should employ as many British workers as possible ahead of other nationalities.
When I go home people are suprised to hear my say these things. Some even go so far as to insult me and call me a BNP supporter. I am most definitely not a BNP supporter but comments like "British jobs for British people" do resonate with me.

My question is, has Korea made you more nationalistic? Or perhaps you always were nationalistic.



Partly agree and partly disagree...

Since I started living abroad in 2008 I realised that I prefer certain things to be British.. examples.. Clothes, Music, TV shows and certain food items. I dont do this to be nationalistic but I just prefer the British versions of these things to other countries versions and I realised it more when I left England. Saying that though I am happy to try out other products and dont search specifically for British products.

Regarding jobs though I disagree with you. Before I left England I worked in recruitment and saw first hand on a daily basis how much of a stronger work ethic Eastern Europeans had compared to English people for lower level warehouse style and industrial sector jobs.
When I recruited for higher level engineering consultancy jobs I also saw the discrimination which many firms have against hiring non British nationals for engineering and environmental based jobs. They claim it was due to written English ability and varying construction standards outside the EU but most would not even entertain the thought of interviewing a foreigner unless they were from the US, Australia, Germany, France or Spain. So in this respect I dont think being nationalistic is an advantage to the UK economy or to UK companies.


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Seoulman69



Joined: 14 Dec 2009

PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 9:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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If you don't buy foreign products, then the foreigners won't have your countries money to buy your products.


Surely if you buy foreign products, then the foreigners buy there own countries products, the businesses from your country suffer.
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plchron



Joined: 26 Feb 2011
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 10:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't say that i love my country more. After living in Asia for 2 1/2 years, I would say that I love asian countries less.

When I started traveling I was wide eyed. Everything was fantastic and any case of me getting shafted by one of them was viewed as a cultural misunderstanding. I was always giving the benefit of the doubt.

Now, I have a very short fuse. If someone tries that BS cutting in line I go right in front of them and box them out like in basketball. If a cab driver turns on the super fast fair meter when i am drunk then I tell him to pull over and get out of the cab immedietly while coursing at him in English. And when I go to Costco, you should see me getting those samples. I am like an animal. I shove little kids and old people out of the way. I throw in the elbows. I block off half the sample table with my shopping cart to slow the others down.

Asia has changed me

After living abroad for a while I definitely have a shorter fuse.
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young_clinton



Joined: 09 Sep 2009

PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 10:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the time that I spent in Korea, I came to like Koreans and Japanese, so it has not made me more nationalistic. Although Thailand would tend to make one more nationalistic, but it's important to realize they see things radically differently and flat out cannot be forced to see things in the way westerners do.

Being in Cambodia (perhaps the poorest country in SE Asia) and seeing traffic jams in Siem Riep at the end of the day all brought about by charity from the west really makes you look down on the ethics and ways of SE Asians.
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itistime



Joined: 23 Jul 2010

PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I try to buy as local as possible....for environmental reasons.
I am at war with myself when I fly on airplanes to other
destinations. My choice.

But, I do like some foreign products that are just not
available in SK. That being said..................

"Every miserable fool who has nothing at all of which he can be proud, adopts as a last resource pride in the nation to which he belongs; he is ready and happy to defend all its faults and follies tooth and nail, thus reimbursing himself for his own inferiority."
� Arthur Schopenhauer
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World Traveler



Joined: 29 May 2009

PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 10:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rooster_2006 wrote:
I've been physically assaulted twice in the last year here. Called a 양놈. Had an evangelical preacher or cult member or whatever stare over my shoulder while I was texting a girl and stand up, proclaiming in a loud, sermon-like voice about how I was a pervert in front of a full subway car.

So yes, when people obviously hate my country so much, it makes me cling to it and defend its way of life. America may have a huge amount of terrible flaws, but at the end of the day, Korea is no better. For this reason, I feel more patriotic when I'm overseas (particularly in Korea).
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Squire



Joined: 26 Sep 2010
Location: Jeollanam-do

PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see a lot of flaws in my country but am still very patriotic. There are positives and negatives I've drawn from coming here but overall I don't think it's changed my perception too much.

nathanrutledge wrote:
I studied economics as an undergrad. In a nutshell, if you only buy products from your country, then your country will fail. If your country doesn't trade with other countries, then businesses fail. If you don't buy foreign products, then the foreigners won't have your countries money to buy your products.

Long story short, being nationalistic in your purchases actually has the opposite effect, driving your businesses out of business.


I'm sure you know more than me on this, but I understand Korea became a rich country because it imports very little while exporting a lot- not in spite of it. How do you explain that?
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fermentation



Joined: 22 Jun 2009

PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

itistime wrote:

"Every miserable fool who has nothing at all of which he can be proud, adopts as a last resource pride in the nation to which he belongs; he is ready and happy to defend all its faults and follies tooth and nail, thus reimbursing himself for his own inferiority."
� Arthur Schopenhauer


Good quote. Here's another good one:
"...people who have no individual stature whatsoever are willing to accept this poisonous nonsense (nationalism) because it gives them a sense of importance without the trouble of any personal effort."
- Felix Morley

It makes no sense to be nationalistic. Why should I be proud of a piece of land defined by an arbitrary border because I happened to be born in it? With no choice of my own? I would rather be proud of the things I worked hard to achieve.
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Jane



Joined: 01 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nathanrutledge wrote:
I studied economics as an undergrad. In a nutshell, if you only buy products from your country, then your country will fail. If your country doesn't trade with other countries, then businesses fail. If you don't buy foreign products, then the foreigners won't have your countries money to buy your products.

Long story short, being nationalistic in your purchases actually has the opposite effect, driving your businesses out of business.


If you studied economics at a western university, then it's almost a certainty you studied Keynesian economics and based on the Keynesian theory you stated, you did. If you take a look at world economies today, it's clear the theory does not work.

Everyone should buy as many local goods as possible because of environmental factors and to support local development.
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Menino80



Joined: 10 Jun 2007
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nathanrutledge wrote:
I studied economics as an undergrad. In a nutshell, if you only buy products from your country, then your country will fail. If your country doesn't trade with other countries, then businesses fail. If you don't buy foreign products, then the foreigners won't have your countries money to buy your products.

Long story short, being nationalistic in your purchases actually has the opposite effect, driving your businesses out of business.


Not quite:

http://www.etu.org.za/toolbox/docs/govern/state.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_System_(economic_plan)

http://events.berkeley.edu/index.php/calendar/sn/ieas.html?event_ID=42815&date=2011-04-15

http://polisci.uoregon.edu/profiles/Vu_book/State%20Formation%20and%20Origins%20of%20Developmental%20States%20in%20Korea%20and%20Indonesia.pdf

The idea that getting prices right and getting the government out of the business business will automatically fix economic problems is a false one. Singapore, HK, Japan, Taiwan, Korea and now the PRC all saw multiple decades of high single digit/low double digit growth through mercantilist, dirigiste policies that saw heavy sector specific tariffs and discouraging imports from abroad.

This is not so much anti-Keynsian as it is anti-Bastiatist.

Squire wrote:

I'm sure you know more than me on this, but I understand Korea became a rich country because it imports very little while exporting a lot- not in spite of it. How do you explain that?


This is about right. Export led industrialization following a period of import substitution.
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