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New Balance



Joined: 15 Jan 2007

PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 9:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are major protests right now and there is no single live coverage on any networks. Do you really think there is no suppression of media coverage under the current government?
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Captain Corea



Joined: 28 Feb 2005
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

New Balance wrote:
There are major protests right now and there is no single live coverage on any networks. Do you really think there is no suppression of media coverage under the current government?


Define "major". Here are a few hundred farmers in Daegu protesting, is that what you mean?

I live/work in Seoul and haven't seen any. I don't doubt that there are some, but seriously, "major"?

And you posted that at 2:00am - were there many major protests going on at that time? And did you expect the networks to cover them live at 2:00am? I just woke up an hour ago, so maybe you can fill me in on where tens of thousands of people were protesting at 2:00am.
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The Floating World



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MAJOR would be the polititian throwing tear gas at the opposition in parliament no?

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The National Assembly wrote shameful history again Tuesday, as a minor opposition party lawmaker released tear gas into the main hall there in an attempt to deter lawmakers from the Grand National Party (GNP) pushing for a vote on a free trade agreement signed with the United States (KORUS FTA).


http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2011/11/116_99339.html
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Captain Corea



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I already addressed that in an earlier post, and there's been coverage of that.

New Balance seems to be saying something different "There are major protests right now and there is no single live coverage on any networks."
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New Balance



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Captain Corea wrote:
I already addressed that in an earlier post, and there's been coverage of that.

New Balance seems to be saying something different "There are major protests right now and there is no single live coverage on any networks."


Last night around midnight, 10,000 people were staging a sit-in in front of the Blue House and police officers with fire hoses were dousing them. No one saw it live streaming on the net? At the same time, nothing covered on the news.

Again, the day after the protests. This is the only news in one of the three of the major newspapers Rolling Eyes
http://www.koreaherald.com/national/Detail.jsp?newsMLId=20111124000150

"SEOUL, Nov. 23 (Yonhap) -- South Korea's parliamentary secretariat said Wednesday it may take legal action against an opposition lawmaker who set off a tear gas canister in the chamber to block the ratification of a free trade deal with the United States."
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Captain Corea



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 6:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1. If it was at midnight, what do you expect the networks to do? Generally speaking, news runs at certain times....Mornings and Evenings. 10,000 people is a decent amount in my opinion, but let's be realistic here, that's no where out of the ordinary or "large" by Korean protest standards.

2. As well, you seem to be focusing on the English newspapers as "the major newspapers". One thing you may want to keep in mind is printing/translation time. If you haven't noticed by now, you soon will, English Dailies are often a day behind on breaking news. Also, I've never worked for a paper, but I imagine that they have their articles set well before the AM to get them printed out and distributed.

3. There have been more articles on the FTA's passing/controversy than the one you are posting. You're cherry picking.
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jvalmer



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Only reason some people are so opposed to this FTA is because it's with the US. Interesting how the EU-FTA hasn't generated such opposition.
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New Balance



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 7:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Captain Corea wrote:
1. If it was at midnight, what do you expect the networks to do? Generally speaking, news runs at certain times....Mornings and Evenings. 10,000 people is a decent amount in my opinion, but let's be realistic here, that's no where out of the ordinary or "large" by Korean protest standards.

2. As well, you seem to be focusing on the English newspapers as "the major newspapers". One thing you may want to keep in mind is printing/translation time. If you haven't noticed by now, you soon will, English Dailies are often a day behind on breaking news. Also, I've never worked for a paper, but I imagine that they have their articles set well before the AM to get them printed out and distributed.

3. There have been more articles on the FTA's passing/controversy than the one you are posting. You're cherry picking.


1. There are 24hour news channels. The sit-ins began way before midnight before the spraying.
2. Click on the Korean language or go to the front of any major internet portal. You won't find anything yet about last night.
3. It just happened last night.
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Captain Corea



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Hanky has it, but there doesn't seem to be 10,000 people there - it says half that.

I don't think I'd call that a "major protest", and as far as I can tell, it's one protest - where's your plural coming from?

Personally, I'd be more miffed at police using water cannons on seated protestors (if that is in fact true), than on the protest not getting publicized.

Just like I'm chocked at that lawmaker setting off a tear gas canister in the assembly, i'd also be pissed at police abuse.

Saying that though, out of all the protests I've witnessed in Korea, ALL of them had the protestors as aggressors. I don't know if that's the case here, but it sure has been my experience that protestors have little reservations against using violence.
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NohopeSeriously



Joined: 17 Jan 2011
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 10:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's simple.

New Balance is right. The Kapitan is wrong. End of discussion.

Stout wrote:
Ah, c'mon guys, don't get in such a huff, u know it's not really about the politicians, don't u? Smile

Arguing over this is like arguing over what decisions a manager at a local branch of McDonald's makes.


Nah. I actually do love the Kapitan. What he is doing is supporting my position. Very Happy
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Captain Corea



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 12:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NohopeSeriously wrote:
It's simple.

New Balance is right. The Kapitan is wrong. End of discussion.


Really? I thought for sure you'd actually chime in and back up your assertions.

No?
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Captain Corea



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PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 3:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

New Balance wrote:
Captain Corea wrote:
1. If it was at midnight, what do you expect the networks to do? Generally speaking, news runs at certain times....Mornings and Evenings. 10,000 people is a decent amount in my opinion, but let's be realistic here, that's no where out of the ordinary or "large" by Korean protest standards.

2. As well, you seem to be focusing on the English newspapers as "the major newspapers". One thing you may want to keep in mind is printing/translation time. If you haven't noticed by now, you soon will, English Dailies are often a day behind on breaking news. Also, I've never worked for a paper, but I imagine that they have their articles set well before the AM to get them printed out and distributed.

3. There have been more articles on the FTA's passing/controversy than the one you are posting. You're cherry picking.


1. There are 24hour news channels. The sit-ins began way before midnight before the spraying.
2. Click on the Korean language or go to the front of any major internet portal. You won't find anything yet about last night.
3. It just happened last night.


Was watching the SBS evening news tonight at 8:00 and they had this on there. They showed lots of footage. Interviewed various people. Even interviewed a few med professionals about hypothermia.


So much for the theory of news suppression. Rolling Eyes
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agentX



Joined: 12 Oct 2007
Location: Jeolla province

PostPosted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 4:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was so disappointed that I missed the big fight! I thought for sure I was going to see at least 1 chair-shot and 1 off-the-top-rope jump-into-pile of people! DAMN GNP for moving the passage up one day!

Ah well...

I was always confused as to why the opposition (other than those following NK orders) always pressed the issue based on the ISD when Korea has the ISD in other trade deals and it's not a problem in those FTA deals. If they were really worried about the deal, they could have pursued the protect-the-farmers angle, but they did not for some reason. Though at best that angle is tentative because those farmers down here in Jeolla took a lot of hits from floods and typhoons this year, and it's not exactly an easy thing to feed 50+ million people on small farms alone.

Of course, if they were really worried they should have spoke up louder during the KOR-EU deal that opens the market more than the US deal does. But... they didn't.
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Stout



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PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 6:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A fairly large turnout considering the weather

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C90cGR6_7e0&feature=related
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 7:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In a rough sense, this pretty much explains public attitude on the US-ROK fta, and much of South Korean foreign affairs in general:

A recent Gallup poll shows that Koreans support the leadership of the United States on the global stage more than that of China, which is rising as a superpower to compete with the U.S.

The poll was conducted on people in nine East Asia Summit countries including six ASEAN member nations.

Some 57 percent of Koreans responded that they support Washington's global role, up 2 percent from last year, while 30 percent said they support Beijing.

http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2011/11/21/2011112101147.html

While it doesn't speak directly to the issue, it accounts for the opposition to a trade deal that the left itself negotiated when they were in power.
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