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MoneyMike
Joined: 03 Dec 2008
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 Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 9:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Buying local is only good if the material of the local products are native to the climate of the area they're produced in. A lot of 'locally' grown food is grown in areas with a climate that wouldn't naturally support it, thus requiring more inputs. Think oranges grown in a lot of areas of California. This is wasteful and eliminates all of the environmental advantages it otherwise would have had. |
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MoneyMike
Joined: 03 Dec 2008
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| Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Oh, and no, being in Korea hasn't made me more nationalistic. I don't really know many Canadians who are nationalistic at all really, either here or back home. |
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 9:32 pm Post subject: |
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| I wished Canadians were a tad bit more nationalistic. Right now I see RIM following the path of the once mighty Nortel and most Canadians don't give a flying-tout. They probably would be more outraged if Arcade Fire broke up than RIM dissolving and being picked apart by foreign companies. |
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itistime
Joined: 23 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 9:39 pm Post subject: |
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| MoneyMike wrote: |
| Buying local is only good if the material of the local products are native to the climate of the area they're produced in. A lot of 'locally' grown food is grown in areas with a climate that wouldn't naturally support it, thus requiring more inputs. Think oranges grown in a lot of areas of California. This is wasteful and eliminates all of the environmental advantages it otherwise would have had. |
I agree with you 100% |
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mukukja
Joined: 22 Sep 2011
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| Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 10:38 pm Post subject: |
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| jvalmer wrote: |
| I wished Canadians were a tad bit more nationalistic. Right now I see RIM following the path of the once mighty Nortel and most Canadians don't give a flying-tout. They probably would be more outraged if Arcade Fire broke up than RIM dissolving and being picked apart by foreign companies. |
Canadian nationalism is a right weird kettle of boiled herring. It�s a big country with about fifteen people and great swaths of caribou and maple trees and the like, but I find it a very hard thing to distill.
When that guy in BC talks about Canadian nationalism, and the udder guy in Cape Breton do, I am pretty sure they do not talk about the same thing.
I am fundamentally a Canadian regionalist. I usually introduce myself under the banner of Nova Scotia, and since there are about ten people on the planet who know where that is, I follow up with �The Eastern End of Canada�.
Then, when people exclaim, "Oh, Toronto!" I forbear the urge to punch them in the nose but rather politely tell them that the prefered pronunciation is "T�rana".
B'ys. |
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joelove
Joined: 12 May 2011
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I think the above is a good point. For many the home province or state or city is a bigger deal than the country. I guess that's regionalism outdoing nationalism, except perhaps for national things like international sports, then people imagine there's some sort of unity among them for being from the same country -- which is a bit absurd really, but we're human, not rational.
On a sort of not really related note, or maybe it is, I stayed with my brother for a while a year ago. He's living near where Sidney Crosby, the hockey star, grew up. Amazing how many people claim to be related or know him personally. I guess that is related. The big signs in towns, "Hometown of some famous person." Why that should be a source of pride for strangers to the famous person is beyond me, but I guess that is how it is for many. |
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Privateer
Joined: 31 Aug 2005
Location: Easy Street.
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| Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 3:53 am Post subject: |
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I studied economics as an undergrad. In a nutshell, if you only buy products from your country, then your country will fail. If your country doesn't trade with other countries, then businesses fail. If you don't buy foreign products, then the foreigners won't have your countries money to buy your products.
Long story short, being nationalistic in your purchases actually has the opposite effect, driving your businesses out of business. |
And yet one of the main reasons for the success of the Korean economy is economic nationalism and protectionism. Economics isn't a hard science, and you can always find one economist to argue against another economist.
But living here hasn't made me more nationalistic: nationalism here is just brainwashing. |
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pegasus64128
Joined: 20 Aug 2011
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| Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 4:52 am Post subject: |
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I'm a Korean American who doesn't find many things Korean interesting anymore but at the same time, I realize that looking through U.S.-centric glasses isn't good, either.
I'd say I've become less nationalistic toward either the U.S. and Korea and negative toward other cultures I don't find appealing at all (but that's another story). |
Sounds like you're the problem! No offense |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 10:08 am Post subject: Re: Has Korea made you more nationalistic? |
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Before I moved to Korea I didn't care where the products I bought came from. I didn't care who British companies employed. I didn't care about British companies.
When I came to Korea and saw Koreans supporting Korean businesses it opened my eyes. I was suprised that Korean companies would employ Koreans no matter where in the world the offices are.
Now, after 5 years, I find myself trying to buy British products whenever I can. I also believe that British companies should employ as many British workers as possible ahead of other nationalities.
When I go home people are suprised to hear my say these things. Some even go so far as to insult me and call me a BNP supporter. I am most definitely not a BNP supporter but comments like "British jobs for British people" do resonate with me.
My question is, has Korea made you more nationalistic? Or perhaps you always were nationalistic. |
I would make an effort to buy American made products when I can, but not out of bitterness over anything I've dealt with in Korea and not in response to Korean xenophobia or nationalism. I will say this, though, that there were times, which is normal, as I am human, when I dealt with what I felt was a hostile environment in terms of how I felt some employers deal with foreigners to make feel that in some ways my country is better, and, actually, it is. However, you can also argue, that in some ways Korea is better. I think it's a circular argument.
I think it's fine to employ a British person over a foreign person because if you have two qualified people and one is a national and not a naturalized British citizen, then it's normal to want to give it to a countryman. I don't see that as prejudice. In North America, you should prove that you can't fill a certain job with an American before hiring a foreign national. If you are refusing to hire a foreign national who is very qualified and maybe better than so many British people you meet and keep wasting time to do that, then it would be dumb business. And if you do things based on race, then it's prejudice.
There is plenty of horrible, ignorant nationalism here. However, it exists back in your home, too. The difference is right wing nationalists back home won't affect you the same right wing Korean nationalist or Left-wing, I should say ironically, perceive you as some threat, someone they wish wasn't here.
Don't worry about it, and there's nothing wrong with buying British products over American or Korean, but not if it makes you spend too much money. If the deal is just horrible, buy the Korean object.
Be sensible, be balanced. I know how you feel, though. |
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myenglishisno
Joined: 08 Mar 2011
Location: Geumchon
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| Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 10:44 am Post subject: |
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| mukukja wrote: |
Canadian nationalism is a right weird kettle of boiled herring. It�s a big country with about fifteen people and great swaths of caribou and maple trees and the like, but I find it a very hard thing to distill.
When that guy in BC talks about Canadian nationalism, and the udder guy in Cape Breton do, I am pretty sure they do not talk about the same thing.
I am fundamentally a Canadian regionalist. I usually introduce myself under the banner of Nova Scotia, and since there are about ten people on the planet who know where that is, I follow up with �The Eastern End of Canada�.
Then, when people exclaim, "Oh, Toronto!" I forbear the urge to punch them in the nose but rather politely tell them that the prefered pronunciation is "T�rana".
B'ys. |
That pretty much sums me up as well. I'm a Schooner myself (from the Bridgewater area) and I find the "cultural differences" between East Coast Canadians and Central/West Coast Canadians to be pretty vast, extending well beyond Eastern Canadians saying "Zed" and Western Canadians saying "Zee."
Parts of Canada might as well be different countries. When I went to Montreal, it felt far more foreign than many places in the North Eastern US would feel. I had the same feeling when I got to know people from Western Canada (their values are often different).
As for nationalism, I do like my country however for every praise I give Canada I quickly couple it with an insult. My area of Canada is the backwater end of the economy and will be nothing but a giant retirement home in the next fifty years.
Being in Korea did make me a bit nationalistic, though. Koreans are very proud of their country almost to a fault. It's almost like 'being Korean' is everyone's third or fourth hobby here. Being a somewhat competitive person, I often find myself defending Canada in the face of them inflating the importance of Korea. Not just that, if you're a Canadian and you ever find yourself in a situation where most of your co-workers are American, you'll end up taking a lot of flak for it. Especially when your American co-workers are all the Republican/Jesus-freak variety.
It's silly to be proud of where you just happened to be born. |
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Yaya
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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I'm a Korean American who doesn't find many things Korean interesting anymore but at the same time, I realize that looking through U.S.-centric glasses isn't good, either.
I'd say I've become less nationalistic toward either the U.S. and Korea and negative toward other cultures I don't find appealing at all (but that's another story). |
Sounds like you're the problem! No offense |
Having my own opinions is a problem? I don't think so and it's weird that your say "Sounds like you're the problem, no offense."
You're stupid, no offense. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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I now wear a spandex suit with the Korean flag on it - is that what ya mean, OP?
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 4:06 am Post subject: |
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No.
Korea has made me less nationalistic because I've met too many Koreans who believe in ridiculous untrue nonsense because it supports their view of their country, or supports hate for another country.
And I don't want to ever be like that. |
Exactly. It really shows you the negatives to nationalism. |
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ghostrider
Joined: 27 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 5:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Americans have become too tolerant of diversity. They've become their own worst enemies. They've lost the unity they once had as a nation. Koreans know how to take care of their own- only a 3.7% unemployment rate. |
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BananaBan
Joined: 16 Nov 2011
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| Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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And when I go to Costco, you should see me getting those samples. I am like an animal. I shove little kids and old people out of the way. I throw in the elbows. I block off half the sample table with my shopping cart to slow the others down.
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is that how asians act? with other asians or just to foreigners? |
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