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recessiontime
Joined: 21 Jun 2010
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Laguana,
That is a cynical response. And you will protest to be realist. Also, I am not sure all the points can be rebutted with statistics. Show me how many gurus have long terms g.fs or wives. I would be interested in the statistics and await your next post in supplying them. Further, a few of my points stressed more philosophical issues and thus can't be wholly rebutted by statistics.
You claim that the techniques are effective. Sure, and as I was at pains to stress, some of the stuff works, but there is a whole lot of stuff more than end results, as my post was mostly an attempt to show. I respectfully suggest that I don't think you engaged with the main issues I was writing about. |
I can't exactly punch holes into your criticism because they are all valid arguments. There are several problems with 'game' as we know it , yes it's unethical, yes game culture is like a cult, yes it is repetitive with many styles that are basically the same, yes it's not perfect. But you cannot deny that it is effective because most of it's been tested and it works. It's like you are arguing about the limitations and ethics of mp3 downloading to the middle class man. Obviously, he doesn't care as long as he gets what he wants in the end.
With respect to what you said about keeping a woman. Well, it is my experience that after having sex, it becomes easy. You can essentially drop almost all your game and just be yourself because at that point she's already invested a lot in you and wants to keep her investment.
Another criticism of game you didn't mention was about how this game can take you only so far. I mean, obviously you can't be dirt poor, you can't be 300 lbs and look terrible. I know there are guys out there that do live in their parents' basement and have a gf or wife but...anyway my point is that this game is obviously not a solution to all our problems. I do think that if love life is lacking and you really want to do something about it, this is the way about going about it. |
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BaldTeacher
Joined: 02 Feb 2010
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| that's called re-framing, im sure you've heard of it. |
Haha yeah, I should have thrown in some DHV's and peacocked a little bit, then gone for the f-close.
Oh wait, it's some white girl on the internet who I'll never meet in my life. |
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recessiontime
Joined: 21 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 7:04 am Post subject: |
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how did you know she was a white girl?
damn, you are good. |
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sirius black
Joined: 04 Jun 2010
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Not all, but generally, it seems the real students of the game are the ones that really need it and weren't getting women before. There are those that want to improve upon the success they are already having.
I've read on this thread about 'how many have long term gfs or got wives'.
Well, what is your goal? To get laid or get a wife? Some guys can't even get a date and the techniques help them get there.
The techniques aren't for everyone. If its not your cup of tea, that's all well and good. The fact is that it works. I can't or won't do a lot of the stuff they prescribe. I do okay just being myself but as a guy you always want to do better than what you're doing usually, if you're doing very well. That was my initial interest. There was stuff I stopped doing based on what I read and a few things I started doing after I read the book.
My best friends are women and I must say I learned more about women and what they want from being friends with them than from any other source. |
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Bloopity Bloop
Joined: 26 Apr 2009
Location: Seoul yo
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| Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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| sirius black wrote: |
Not all, but generally, it seems the real students of the game are the ones that really need it and weren't getting women before. There are those that want to improve upon the success they are already having.
I've read on this thread about 'how many have long term gfs or got wives'.
Well, what is your goal? To get laid or get a wife? Some guys can't even get a date and the techniques help them get there.
The techniques aren't for everyone. If its not your cup of tea, that's all well and good. The fact is that it works. I can't or won't do a lot of the stuff they prescribe. I do okay just being myself but as a guy you always want to do better than what you're doing usually, if you're doing very well. That was my initial interest. There was stuff I stopped doing based on what I read and a few things I started doing after I read the book.
My best friends are women and I must say I learned more about women and what they want from being friends with them than from any other source. |
So that's what logic looks like on Dave's... |
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madhusudan
Joined: 30 Jan 2006
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Anyone tried the D.E.N.N.I.S. system?
Demonstrate your value
Engage physically
Nuture dependence
Neglect emotionally
Inspire hope
Separate entirely
This system is guaranteed or your money back, for only three easy payments of... |
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ghostrider
Joined: 27 Jun 2011
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| I have been reading this book. It's a fascinating story of personal transformation. Neil Strauss describes himself as a short, thin, balding man with a big nose. Before devoting two years of his life to learning how to charm the opposite sex, he says he lacked confidence and his success with women was extremely limited. He becomes a master pickup artist that other men pay to watch in action in bars and clubs. At one point he is dating seven women at the same time and experiences a few threesomes for the first time in his life. A lot of the techniques that he says are very effective seem counterintuitive- intentionally ignore the woman you are interested in at the beginning, playfully insult her, play hard to get, act indifferent if she starts to lose interest... |
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radcon
Joined: 23 May 2011
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| I have been reading this book. It's a fascinating story of personal transformation. Neil Strauss describes himself as a short, thin, balding man with a big nose. Before devoting two years of his life to learning how to charm the opposite sex, he says he lacked confidence and his success with women was extremely limited. He becomes a master pickup artist that other men pay to watch in action in bars and clubs. At one point he is dating seven women at the same time and experiences a few threesomes for the first time in his life. A lot of the techniques that he says are very effective seem counterintuitive- intentionally ignore the woman you are interested in at the beginning, playfully insult her, play hard to get, act indifferent if she starts to lose interest... |
I second the ignoring thing. In a group of women, talk to everyone except the best looking one. She will feel insecure, intrigued, and curious as to why you are not talking to her. She will approach you.
Works like a charm. |
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MoneyMike
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I stumbled across The Game last year, and after reading it started checking out a couple related blogs. Have to say, it really explained a lot I didn't get about the dating game. (chicks dating jerks and stuff like that)
For anyone who's interested, I'd suggest reading The Rational Male. (a google search will bring it up nicely) Really well written, genuinely insightful blog about game/gender relations. Roissy in DC (called Chateau Heartiste now) is really good as well, though as someone else mentioned, not for the faint of heart.
Anyways, to those who say that game is about getting laid but not about keeping a girlfriend, that's entirely untrue. There are whole sections of game devoted to how to keep long term relationships.
The fundamental idea at the bottom of game is that what women say they want and what they actually respond to in men are two different things. There's plenty of valid criticisms of game, but no one is ever going to convince me that this starting point isn't true. |
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The Floating World
Joined: 01 Oct 2011
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I wonder how I've been laid like over 50 times and people have been getting together and having relationships / casual sex since the dawn of time without books like the game to help them?
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MoneyMike
Joined: 03 Dec 2008
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Saying that people people get sex and relationships without game, and thus game is useless, is the same as this:
People get jobs all the time without university degrees or certification of any kind, thus, secondary education is worthless.
The purpose of game is to help guys do a little better than they normally could. A lot better for guys who devote a lot of effort to it. It's also a hugely helpful jump off point for guys who are clueless. |
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The Floating World
Joined: 01 Oct 2011
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Fair enough, hadn't thought about it like that.
Though I don't do any of those things in those books, usually the opposite (bar not showing over keeness) and it still works and I'm just above average looking and only five foot seven. A lot of my successes in SK have been with American ladies though, so it was probably the English accent that was a major factor lol.
I dunno, I think it's all just a cynical marketing ploy tbh.
Anyone on here (dave's) who was a complete failiure with women before and then started to become succesful after reading one of these books?
Also can you differeniate whether you are talking about Korean women, foriegn women or both please (I personally believe Korean women are easier to try these tricks on imo and of course easier to get for the average foriegner etc. Not looking for a flame war but we all know guys that have never had a gf back home and have hooked up with decent women here.) |
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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| Not looking for a flame war but we all know guys that have never had a gf back home and have hooked up with decent women here.) |
When you say they never had a GF back home, is that something you just surmised or did they actually tell you? Just curious about whether there are graduates coming over here to teach English who go around telling people they never had a GF before in their lives. They haven't even learned to lie effectively in their 22+ years!? |
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rgil627il
Joined: 31 Oct 2011
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| Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 11:21 pm Post subject: Re: The Game |
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It's a great book. Every woman should read it to better understand what they feel attracted to and why. That might open the door to a little more meta-cognition about what makes for a great guy and what makes for an attractive jerk.
Though I'll disagree and say that Mystery is still the best. |
i'm with you 100% |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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| I've read "The Big Game" by Donald O'Brien. Not a great work. Enjoyed the works by Dylan Murphy more. |
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