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akcrono
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Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 12:02 am Post subject: How does the FTA actually affect Korean healthcare? |
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From http://koreajoongangdaily.joinsmsn.com/news/article/Article.aspx?aid=2943783 :
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�Under the FTA, the Korean government can�t control private hospitals owned by foreigners,� said Gweon Byeong-guk, an attorney who attended a Thursday rally in front of Korea Development Bank in Yeouido. |
The lawmakers are saying this is untrue, but the protesters seem adamant. I don't believe either the protesters, who have been hysterical in the past over non-issues, or the politicians, who have motivation for lying.
Does anyone have any information (from a reliable source) concerning the actual impact the FTA can/will have on this issue? |
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Malislamusrex
Joined: 01 Feb 2010
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Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 12:52 am Post subject: Re: How does the FTA actually affect Korean healthcare? |
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Free trade is a perfect economic system, the only problem is the corruption of politicians
In the so called 'FTA' there will be stipulations that have been lobbied in Washington and Seoul that will make someone rich in theory.... lets see how it plays out.
akcrono wrote: |
From http://koreajoongangdaily.joinsmsn.com/news/article/Article.aspx?aid=2943783 :
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�Under the FTA, the Korean government can�t control private hospitals owned by foreigners,� said Gweon Byeong-guk, an attorney who attended a Thursday rally in front of Korea Development Bank in Yeouido. |
The lawmakers are saying this is untrue, but the protesters seem adamant. I don't believe either the protesters, who have been hysterical in the past over non-issues, or the politicians, who have motivation for lying.
Does anyone have any information (from a reliable source) concerning the actual impact the FTA can/will have on this issue? |
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Wildbore
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Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 1:23 am Post subject: |
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25 years ago, un-informed protestors were making the same claims when Canada signed it's free trade agreement with the USA.
While, nothing has happened to the Canadian healthcare system. It's still a big, fat, bloated system run by incompetent provincial governments.
Some FOREIGN MANAGEMENT might actual get us somewhere, and Korea. |
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Weigookin74
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Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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Wildbore wrote: |
25 years ago, un-informed protestors were making the same claims when Canada signed it's free trade agreement with the USA.
While, nothing has happened to the Canadian healthcare system. It's still a big, fat, bloated system run by incompetent provincial governments.
Some FOREIGN MANAGEMENT might actual get us somewhere, and Korea. |
Yessirree! Don't you wish our country would incorporate some of Korea's healthcare system? It doesn't have to be our style or just America's style. I like Korea's system. The free market allows quick access to doctors and even specialists. In Canada you have to wait 3 or 4 weeks to get in to see a doctor. Here, you get in within an hour.
Way I see it is provinces should provide coverage for surgeries for poorer people, retired people, lower middle class and subsided surgery costs for middle class and upper middle class. Paying a little for a doctor's visit depending on your income bracket would introduce competition and put more money in the system.
Government would still still pay some costs and if you make enough, your insurance would cover the rest. I've gotten really spoiled by this quick access to doctors. Insurance companies would not pay the whole thing so their costs should be lower. (Just don't let frivilous US style lawsuits to drive up costs.) Think Canada should switch to this model. US, too. Socialized medicine definately has it's weak points. But the US system ain't so hot either.
Think if doctors could make more money partly by billing government, patients, and insurance companies, there would be more of them in Canada. Wouldn't take 6 months to a year for Cancer patients to get surgery. (Some die in the meantime.)
Guess it would be political suicide for a politician to suggest this though. |
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Unposter
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Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 6:12 pm Post subject: |
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My limited understanding is that the main way the US/KOR Free Trade agreement will increase the price of Korean health care will be in medicine prices.
Currently, Korean Pharmaceudical (sp?) companies make generic copies of American brand name medicines at fractions of the cost. They won't be able to do that anymore according to the FTA. Some say it could increase the cost of medicines 20 times.
For example, I currently take medication. I pay about $20 a month. (I only pay 10% of list costs due to insurance.) If the costs were to increase 20 times, I would have to pay $400 a month to get my medication. If this proved to be true, it would be a big out of pocket expense for me but it would be even worse for sick and elderly people who have to take a lot more medications than I do.
I don't think American hospitals will change much how most people receive health care as they are likely to see Korean medical insurance prices as particularly profitable. If new American-run hospitals are built, they will opperate outside the Korean health insurance system providing specialized care for wealthy customers who are willing to pay. They will also probably target medical tourism from China and possibly even Japan.
So, this won't be a big help for most people. In fact, it will increase costs for most ordinary people. |
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pkang0202

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Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 6:15 pm Post subject: |
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Weigookin74 wrote: |
Wildbore wrote: |
25 years ago, un-informed protestors were making the same claims when Canada signed it's free trade agreement with the USA.
While, nothing has happened to the Canadian healthcare system. It's still a big, fat, bloated system run by incompetent provincial governments.
Some FOREIGN MANAGEMENT might actual get us somewhere, and Korea. |
. I like Korea's system. The free market allows quick access to doctors and even specialists. In Canada you have to wait 3 or 4 weeks to get in to see a doctor. Here, you get in within an hour. |
During normal business hours, sure that is true. I find the quality of Korean Hospitals to drop dramatically after 7pm, when all the real doctors go home and the Interns take over for the night shift.
If I ever have a medical emergency, I hope it happens during the day instead of in the middle of the night. |
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Menino80

Joined: 10 Jun 2007 Location: Hodor?
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Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 6:21 pm Post subject: Re: How does the FTA actually affect Korean healthcare? |
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Malislamusrex wrote: |
Free trade is a perfect economic system, the only problem is the corruption of politicians
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hahahahaha, oh that's a good one. i love when the horny about markets guys come out on the internet. |
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nathanrutledge
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Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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There will be zero hospitals built because of the FTA. It is an issue totally unrelated to the FTA.
YES, the Korean government is exploring options to build for profit hospitals, but it is NOT related to the FTA.
The FTA WILL have an effect on pharmaceuticals and medical equipment.
http://fpc.state.gov/documents/organization/139259.pdf
Another poster put this up in the other FTA thread. Check it out - Korea offers crap prices for cutting edge medical technology and US manufacturers refuse to sell at those prices. Now, the FTA will require them to reexamine what the pay and raise the reimbursement - point of the story? We pay more for better, newer, safer equipment. Is it worth it? For the majority of us, probably not. For the marginalized people who would DIE because of the outdated technology and equipment who will now LIVE because of better supplies? Probably. Of course, it becomes more of an ethical question - should we spend the money to keep old people alive an extra few weeks or months when they are going to die anyway? THAT'S what it really comes down to. Do you want the brand name or the generic? This years model or last years model? |
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Malislamusrex
Joined: 01 Feb 2010
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Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 8:23 pm Post subject: Re: How does the FTA actually affect Korean healthcare? |
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I love it when a guy who has no idea about economics comes on the internet and uses a slightly amusing word.
What Korea and America have signed is not a FTA, FTA is a fancy title to market something that it isn't.
Menino80 wrote: |
Malislamusrex wrote: |
Free trade is a perfect economic system, the only problem is the corruption of politicians
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hahahahaha, oh that's a good one. i love when the horny about markets guys come out on the internet. |
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strange_brew
Joined: 12 Oct 2008
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Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 8:28 pm Post subject: Re: How does the FTA actually affect Korean healthcare? |
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Malislamusrex wrote: |
I love it when a guy who has no idea about economics comes on the internet and uses a slightly amusing word.
What Korea and America have signed is not a FTA, FTA is a fancy title to market something that it isn't.
Menino80 wrote: |
Malislamusrex wrote: |
Free trade is a perfect economic system, the only problem is the corruption of politicians
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hahahahaha, oh that's a good one. i love when the horny about markets guys come out on the internet. |
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I was also going to point out how misdirected your belief in the total free market is, but I figured there was no point becoming one of those douches on Dave's that argue about everything. Anyways, the free market is far from a perfect system, as is the other extreme. |
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Malislamusrex
Joined: 01 Feb 2010
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Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 10:22 pm Post subject: Re: How does the FTA actually affect Korean healthcare? |
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technically if items could be traded freely without tariffs it's a perfect system, insufficiency will be exposed and only the most competitive organizations with the most competitive price will be able to sell in the market.
but this is not a 'free' trade agreement and it will never exist, because American governments will want to protect cars, Korean will want to protect rice..... So in the end you have lobbyists buying and selling deals.
strange_brew wrote: |
Malislamusrex wrote: |
I love it when a guy who has no idea about economics comes on the internet and uses a slightly amusing word.
What Korea and America have signed is not a FTA, FTA is a fancy title to market something that it isn't.
Menino80 wrote: |
Malislamusrex wrote: |
Free trade is a perfect economic system, the only problem is the corruption of politicians
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hahahahaha, oh that's a good one. i love when the horny about markets guys come out on the internet. |
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I was also going to point out how misdirected your belief in the total free market is, but I figured there was no point becoming one of those douches on Dave's that argue about everything. Anyways, the free market is far from a perfect system, as is the other extreme. |
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cj1976
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 11:08 pm Post subject: |
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America has consisently proven how fair the free market is. For them anyway. Not so much for the little brown people who make their goods. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 4:15 am Post subject: |
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cj1976 wrote: |
America has consisently proven how fair the free market is. For them anyway. Not so much for the little brown people who make their goods. |
Who are these "little brown people" you speak of? Oompa loompas? |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 4:17 am Post subject: |
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Unposter wrote: |
My limited understanding is that the main way the US/KOR Free Trade agreement will increase the price of Korean health care will be in medicine prices.
Currently, Korean Pharmaceudical (sp?) companies make generic copies of American brand name medicines at fractions of the cost. They won't be able to do that anymore according to the FTA. Some say it could increase the cost of medicines 20 times.
For example, I currently take medication. I pay about $20 a month. (I only pay 10% of list costs due to insurance.) If the costs were to increase 20 times, I would have to pay $400 a month to get my medication. If this proved to be true, it would be a big out of pocket expense for me but it would be even worse for sick and elderly people who have to take a lot more medications than I do.
I don't think American hospitals will change much how most people receive health care as they are likely to see Korean medical insurance prices as particularly profitable. If new American-run hospitals are built, they will opperate outside the Korean health insurance system providing specialized care for wealthy customers who are willing to pay. They will also probably target medical tourism from China and possibly even Japan.
So, this won't be a big help for most people. In fact, it will increase costs for most ordinary people. |
The FTA with Europe will also affect health care here. They make drugs in Europe too. |
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cj1976
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Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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atwood wrote: |
cj1976 wrote: |
America has consisently proven how fair the free market is. For them anyway. Not so much for the little brown people who make their goods. |
Who are these "little brown people" you speak of? Oompa loompas? |
I was paraphrasing Bill Hicks, who used the term to describe the third world nations that the USA invade and exploit. |
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