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eat_yeot
Joined: 11 Dec 2009
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| Almost. It's the job status that's the killer. Unless you have a permanent job, you're not going to get much of a mortgage (maybe 20%), regardless of your visa status. Even my wife couldn't get one, and she's Korean. But she only works temporary jobs. |
By permanent you mean what's referred to as 정규직 in Korean? In other words, nobody on a one-year contract will get a sizeable loan? Are permanent positions even possible for non-citizens? |
I'm not sure what the Korean title would be. But I do know several people who have tenure or are on tenure track. I suppose that would probably qualify.
Alternatively, one could turn to the many loan sharking ajjumas that operate in Korea. |
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K1020
Joined: 20 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 7:48 pm Post subject: No Foreigners |
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Some experiences that touch on this. First Woori bank has a policy that they will never give credit to a foreigner. Regardless of how long you live here, how much you earn or any credit history established in Korea Woori bank told me they flat out, would never give a non-Korean credit. You can get a prepaid credit card with woori but unlike other institutions Woori will never eliminate that deposit once a Korean Credit rating has been established -others will.
Two Korail English site/ app. For booking tickets in advance on fast trains Korail, as dicussed previously on Dave's, does not advertise or offer it's cheapest deals in English. I'm ok with that. Korean is the language of the land and so that's fine by me. What I do have troubles with is that their system in English has no place to input an ARC #, only a passport #, I am skeptical that even in Korean it would accept an ARC number.
--I am troubled by this because it accepts non-koreans only as temporary visitors and does not acknowledge that many people from elsewhere make Korea their home.
Similarly, Playstation Korea, and perhaps a number of other sites, will not accept ARC # to join a domestic (Korean) server. To create an account you must commit fraud, this from a rep of playstation who spent two days looking into it. (I want to say I got incredible service from the rep, but the policy or infrastructure problem was unresolved)
Again it fails to acknowledge the many foreigners living and working in Korea as members of the society. I was told by company reps that I should continue to use my foreign accounts to conduct my business here. It amounts to a second tax on my income if I need to continue to transfer funds to my home country (paying transfer fees) just to use the money I earn in Korea, in Korea; the way that Koreans can. Again, it's a structural barrier to integration. One that amounts to what I would call a "culture of 'no foreigners allowed'."
Rather than a "no foreigners allowed" policy this feels like a general default position. Make what you will of it. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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| What I do have troubles with is that their system in English has no place to input an ARC #, only a passport # |
Uhm, didn't you get in here by using your passport? Didn't every legal foreigner?
How is this a problem?
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| Some experiences that touch on this. First Woori bank has a policy that they will never give credit to a foreigner. Regardless of how long you live here, how much you earn or any credit history established in Korea Woori bank told me they flat out, would never give a non-Korean credit. You can get a prepaid credit card with woori but unlike other institutions Woori will never eliminate that deposit once a Korean Credit rating has been established -others will. |
Then use a different bank.
So people don't want to lend money to a group of people who have an incredibly high rate of workplace turnover? How dare they!
Take comfort in the many specials out there advertised in English and exclusive deals for foreigners. |
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K1020
Joined: 20 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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| --I am troubled by this because it accepts non-koreans only as temporary visitors and does not acknowledge that many people from elsewhere make Korea their home. |
-- As far as legal foreigners? children born to a foreign couple can not claim citizenship. --
I am not part of any "group" but "others" or foreigners in Korea. Aside from the fact that I am not Korean there is no grounds for a policy of exclusion -note they do not site my visa status, my job status, my income or anything that I have any influence over. --That is racism.
I'm pretty sure this thread began asking people for stories relating experiences with a culture of racial exclusivity in Korea.
I think boiling issues like this down to a like it or lump it choice is unfair. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 10:22 pm Post subject: |
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| --I am troubled by this because it accepts non-koreans only as temporary visitors and does not acknowledge that many people from elsewhere make Korea their home. |
-- As far as legal foreigners? children born to a foreign couple can not claim citizenship. --
I am not part of any "group" but "others" or foreigners in Korea. Aside from the fact that I am not Korean there is no grounds for a policy of exclusion -note they do not site my visa status, my job status, my income or anything that I have any influence over. --That is racism.
I'm pretty sure this thread began asking people for stories relating experiences with a culture of racial exclusivity in Korea.
I think boiling issues like this down to a like it or lump it choice is unfair. |
The couple could both be overseas Koreans who are not Korean citizens.
It is not racism, it is immigration. Learn distinction. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Thu Nov 24, 2011 11:14 pm Post subject: |
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I think boiling issues like this down to a like it or lump it choice is unfair. |
Your comment of "unfair" is irrelevant. Because to the best of my knowledge Mr. Steelrails is not an immigration agent and neither is anyone else on this board. So complaining that is unfair...we can't do anything about it...why tell us?
Secondly Immigration makes the rules (when it comes to issuing E-2 visas and the regulations thereof). Your charge of "unfair" might stick here...but unfortunately they don't care. THEY are the ones telling you to "like it or lump it".
We are just the ones telling you the reality of the situation.
And there is no culture of racial exclusivity here. We can go to clubs, grocery stores, schools, get a driver's license (and for F-visa holders) even vote in national elections. Point is we are not excluded from ordinary everyday activities. Yes some activities you are excluded from. Guess what? That's exactly the same in your culture. Short term guest workers (E-2) do not have all the rights and privileges of a citizen/permanent resident. Never have anywhere.
What you have are INDIVIDUALS with a belief in racial exclusivity here. |
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yodanole
Joined: 02 Mar 2003
Location: La Florida
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| Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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PatrickGHBusan------Yes, I am aware that common sense is in short supply on message boards. They are for ranting.
In the last 6 days, my university has lost not only a football game, but also a basketball game. The fans want every coach that ever coached at my school beheaded, drawn and quartered. If they are dead, they should be dug up and decapitated. Then they should all be fired and then sued for damages.
Sounds perfectly reasonable to me.  |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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| --I am troubled by this because it accepts non-koreans only as temporary visitors and does not acknowledge that many people from elsewhere make Korea their home. |
-- As far as legal foreigners? children born to a foreign couple can not claim citizenship. --
I am not part of any "group" but "others" or foreigners in Korea. Aside from the fact that I am not Korean there is no grounds for a policy of exclusion -note they do not site my visa status, my job status, my income or anything that I have any influence over. --That is racism.
I'm pretty sure this thread began asking people for stories relating experiences with a culture of racial exclusivity in Korea.
I think boiling issues like this down to a like it or lump it choice is unfair. |
While North Americans tend to take birthright citizenship for granted, it's far more the exception than the rule, globally speaking. Per Wikipedia:
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| Jus soli is observed by less than 20% of the world's countries. Of advanced economies, Canada and the United States are the only countries that grant automatic citizenship to children born to illegal aliens. No European country grants automatic citizenship to children of illegal aliens |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli |
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fermentation
Joined: 22 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 9:24 pm Post subject: Re: No Foreigners |
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Again it fails to acknowledge the many foreigners living and working in Korea as members of the society. I was told by company reps that I should continue to use my foreign accounts to conduct my business here. It amounts to a second tax on my income if I need to continue to transfer funds to my home country (paying transfer fees) just to use the money I earn in Korea, in Korea; the way that Koreans can. Again, it's a structural barrier to integration. One that amounts to what I would call a "culture of 'no foreigners allowed'."
Rather than a "no foreigners allowed" policy this feels like a general default position. Make what you will of it. |
I'm with you here. I haven't experienced as many restrictions as a foreigner in the US compared to some of you do in Korea.
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| So people don't want to lend money to a group of people who have an incredibly high rate of workplace turnover? How dare they! |
Judging people as a group and not as an individual is a form of discrimination. What would you say if I turned away black or hispanic people from my business since they are "statiscally" more likely to commit crimes? Or maybe the American government/ gun companies shouldn't let people of Korean or Japanese descent buy firearms due to the high suicide rate in those countries? |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2011 2:06 am Post subject: |
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| Judging people as a group and not as an individual is a form of discrimination. What would you say if I turned away black or hispanic people from my business since they are "statiscally" more likely to commit crimes? Or maybe the American government/ gun companies shouldn't let people of Korean or Japanese descent buy firearms due to the high suicide rate in those countries? |
Discrimination based on legal residency and duration of legal employment and time in country is perfectly fine.
If someone in Japan refuses to lease a brand new car to someone on a tourist visa, is that discrimination? Maybe, but I don't think anyone would say that that was an "evil" policy. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2011 4:26 am Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
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| Judging people as a group and not as an individual is a form of discrimination. What would you say if I turned away black or hispanic people from my business since they are "statiscally" more likely to commit crimes? Or maybe the American government/ gun companies shouldn't let people of Korean or Japanese descent buy firearms due to the high suicide rate in those countries? |
Discrimination based on legal residency and duration of legal employment and time in country is perfectly fine.
If someone in Japan refuses to lease a brand new car to someone on a tourist visa, is that discrimination? Maybe, but I don't think anyone would say that that was an "evil" policy. |
That pretty much sums it up. |
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PeteJB
Joined: 06 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2011 12:00 pm Post subject: |
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Slightly related to the Kor-rail thing - For Korean Air you can book flights via either their English or Korean site (both accept your ID) - But the English version of the site 'mysteriously' has higher air fares listed for the same flights. I had a return to Japan quoted about 100,000 won higher than the 'special discount offer' I got on the Korean version.
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 4:55 am Post subject: |
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Slightly related to the Kor-rail thing - For Korean Air you can book flights via either their English or Korean site (both accept your ID) - But the English version of the site 'mysteriously' has higher air fares listed for the same flights. I had a return to Japan quoted about 100,000 won higher than the 'special discount offer' I got on the Korean version.
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Call them instead of complaining here... |
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