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Yaya



Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 9:57 pm    Post subject: 'Foreign English teachers necessary': poll of Korean parents Reply with quote

The majority of Korean parents think foreign English teachers are needed in schools despite the government�s move to gradually reduce their number, a survey showed.

According to the study organized by the Seoul Metropolitan Office of Education, 62.4 percent of parents replied that native English teachers are necessary at local elementary, middle and high schools.

A research institute at the Seoul National University conducted the survey of 43,742 people � 28,761 students, 11,980 parents, 2,406 English teachers, and 595 foreign teachers from 1,282 elementary, middle and high schools in Seoul.

�The satisfaction rate of students regarding foreign English teachers was high throughout elementary, middle and high schools and especially high in elementary schools,� said an official from the education office.

When asked whether foreign English teachers were needed in schools, more than 62 percent of the surveyed parents answered �they are definitely needed,� as they help improve students� communication skills and reduce fear of foreigners.

More than half of them also answered that foreign English teachers� placement at local schools was effective and 67.7 percent said they were mostly needed in elementary schools.

http://koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2011/11/117_99648.html
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Steelrails



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 11:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wait according to some, Koreans have been brainwashed into seeing us as drug addicted pedophiles who are lower than street bums.

I guess not...
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ThingsComeAround



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 11:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Parents like having us there because they know most teachers aren't pulling their weight. Parents also enjoy when their kids are talking with us- even if its in short fragmented sentence bursts. It does increase student morale when they talk with a "real live Foreigner" instead of a Korean teacher.
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fermentation



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 12:22 am    Post subject: Re: 'Foreign English teachers necessary': poll of Korean par Reply with quote

Yaya wrote:
reduce fear of foreigners.


This is one of the things I get asked about from parents. They want their kids to not be afraid of talking to foreigners. Does this strike anyone else as weird? I can't ever recall being afraid of talking to white people as a kid and all the foreigners I know who take Korean lessons don't seem to be afraid of talking to Koreans in Korean despite their lack of ability in the language.
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The Floating World



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 12:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, it is weird.

I grew up in a very white only small town. When I was like 5 a Chinese restaurant opened up. I went there with my Dad. I was overwhelmed with the strange colour and the shapes and paterns of their decorations etc. and of course that the people looked so different from us.

When we left I asked my Dad what sort of people they were and why everything was different than a fish and chip shop. He told me they were Chinese people. End of. No mantras about how they were different or scary or smelled different etc, ate different food etc.

Then I got over it, like that day and was not scared of them ever.


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cdninkorea



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 1:04 am    Post subject: Re: 'Foreign English teachers necessary': poll of Korean par Reply with quote

fermentation wrote:
Yaya wrote:
reduce fear of foreigners.


This is one of the things I get asked about from parents. They want their kids to not be afraid of talking to foreigners. Does this strike anyone else as weird? I can't ever recall being afraid of talking to white people as a kid and all the foreigners I know who take Korean lessons don't seem to be afraid of talking to Koreans in Korean despite their lack of ability in the language.


True, but then Koreans aren't typically self-confident speakers of English, even when they speak it quite well. If you weren't intimidated, kudos to you, but you're in the minority.
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rickpidero



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 1:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steelrails wrote:
Wait according to some, Koreans have been brainwashed into seeing us as drug addicted pedophiles who are lower than street bums.

I guess not...


Go check out the troll on the comment section of the article
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Captain Corea



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 5:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yet the lovely hanky runs a different perspective...

http://english.hani.co.kr/arti/english_edition/e_national/507440.html


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Seoul-area elementary, middle, and high school students and their parents prefer capable Korean teachers of English over native speaker assistant instructors, a Seoul Metropolitan Office of Education (SMOE) study found.

The report released Sunday by the SMOE found 62.2% of 12,150 student parents and 53.7% of 28,761 students taking part in an online poll describing the most desirable type of English teacher as �a Korean teacher who has excellent English conversation skills and teaches effectively.� The rates were higher than the preference for native English speaker assistant instructors, which stood at 26.9% for parents and 29.7% for students.

Korean-taught classes outranked native speaker-taught classes in terms of interaction rates during class time and class participation. The percentage of English-language interaction with teachers stood at 34.7% for students in Korean-taught classes, compared to 31.93% for those in native speaker-taught classes.

Class participation rates were found to be 81.3% for Korean teachers and 76.9% for native speaker assistant teachers. The most frequently cited reason for lower participation in the native speaker classes was �inability to understand what the teacher is saying,� given by 42.1% of respondents.

In-depth interviews were also conducted with English teachers on the native speaker assistant instructors. Among the factors cited as strengths were the �new cultural experience� and encouragement of student curiosity and interest regarding English. But teachers also voiced negative opinions about the instructors� individual qualifications and the cost of their employment relative to the learning benefits.

The SMOE said the survey rules showed high levels of satisfaction with the native speaker assistant instructors but indicated that students and their parents prefer capable Korean teachers �because speaking English well and teaching English well are two different things.�


�Based on effectiveness relative to cost, we will need to make effective use of capable Korean teachers of English,� the office added.


Gotta love the Hanky Confused
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everything-is-everything



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 9:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steelrails wrote:
Wait according to some, Koreans have been brainwashed into seeing us as drug addicted pedophiles who are lower than street bums.

I guess not...


I think that says more about the quality of Korean English teachers.
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PatrickGHBusan



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 11:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Captain Corea wrote:
Yet the lovely hanky runs a different perspective...

http://english.hani.co.kr/arti/english_edition/e_national/507440.html


Quote:
Seoul-area elementary, middle, and high school students and their parents prefer capable Korean teachers of English over native speaker assistant instructors, a Seoul Metropolitan Office of Education (SMOE) study found.

The report released Sunday by the SMOE found 62.2% of 12,150 student parents and 53.7% of 28,761 students taking part in an online poll describing the most desirable type of English teacher as �a Korean teacher who has excellent English conversation skills and teaches effectively.� The rates were higher than the preference for native English speaker assistant instructors, which stood at 26.9% for parents and 29.7% for students.

Korean-taught classes outranked native speaker-taught classes in terms of interaction rates during class time and class participation. The percentage of English-language interaction with teachers stood at 34.7% for students in Korean-taught classes, compared to 31.93% for those in native speaker-taught classes.

Class participation rates were found to be 81.3% for Korean teachers and 76.9% for native speaker assistant teachers. The most frequently cited reason for lower participation in the native speaker classes was �inability to understand what the teacher is saying,� given by 42.1% of respondents.

In-depth interviews were also conducted with English teachers on the native speaker assistant instructors. Among the factors cited as strengths were the �new cultural experience� and encouragement of student curiosity and interest regarding English. But teachers also voiced negative opinions about the instructors� individual qualifications and the cost of their employment relative to the learning benefits.

The SMOE said the survey rules showed high levels of satisfaction with the native speaker assistant instructors but indicated that students and their parents prefer capable Korean teachers �because speaking English well and teaching English well are two different things.�


�Based on effectiveness relative to cost, we will need to make effective use of capable Korean teachers of English,� the office added.


Gotta love the Hanky Confused


In all that rubbish there is something that makes complete sense: Korean students would prefer a Korean English Teacher. That does make perfect sense from a comfort perspective.

It is also VERY true that speaking English well and teaching it well can be two very, very different things! That does not mean Westerners are not able to teach their native language well. It speaks more to qualifications.


Let the debate rage on!
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sirius black



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 2:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

First of all the Koreans teaching english are trained teachers. The NETs for the most part are not teachers and pretty much warm bodies who have a college degree (and that is now almost meaningless in the west) who speak english naturally. No surprise they are not happy with some of the teachers, judging by the ones we see every week in the bars.

Its their own fault, they have no standard. If they did they would have far, far less teachers coming here. So, they have to deal with the consequences of their own need.

Competition for teachers will heat up in a few years i predict with China's voracious apetite for teachers. Salaries are going up in China. Other places are becoming more competitive as well like Vietnam. If/when the economy in America as well as the other countries that are allowed to teach her picks up it will put further pressure to get people to come. Not to mention adding more and more restrictions after every little incident.

Korea may possible find it may not have a choice but to use Korean teachers if these trends continue. Also, as long as english is required on the entrance exam and the high competition for spaces at the best unis, they will want NETs. We keep hearing stories but who is being hired for privates? NETs. The ajumas who really have the biggest say in hogwons and to a certain extent the public schools still insist on NETs and hate to know that their school doesn't have one but the rival high schools does.

I see no evidence in practice that reflects the article. The mentality is get a native speaker. Its firmly imbedded in their thinking right now.
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nate1983



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 2:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Captain Corea wrote:

The report released Sunday by the SMOE found 62.2% of 12,150 student parents and 53.7% of 28,761 students taking part in an online poll describing the most desirable type of English teacher as �a Korean teacher who has excellent English conversation skills and teaches effectively.� The rates were higher than the preference for native English speaker assistant instructors, which stood at 26.9% for parents and 29.7% for students.


Is that a surprise? I would prefer a foreign Korean teacher who has mastered the language him/herself to a native speaker who hasn't had to go through the process of learning Korean as a foreign language. My level is okay (TOPIK level 5) and I helped a friend of mine a couple times while he was in level 1/2 at Yonsei, and he was like "I don't know why they couldn't just explain it like you did, it makes so much more sense." I'm sure many Koreans feel the same way about English.
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crescent



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Satisfaction= fun
Needed= reduce fear

Only about half of the parents said FTs were EFFECTIVE.
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Steelrails



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 2:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

everything-is-everything wrote:
Steelrails wrote:
Wait according to some, Koreans have been brainwashed into seeing us as drug addicted pedophiles who are lower than street bums.

I guess not...


I think that says more about the quality of Korean English teachers.


No pride in yourself?

I for one see plenty of NETs, who, while not perfect, seem to have an earnestness to their job that I think the locals appreciate.

Don't sell yourselves short. A lot of people genuinely like us.
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cj1976



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PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NETs aren't being used effectively in the classroom. In many cases, we are just tokens there for the kids' amusement. What educational golas can you expect to achieve in classes of 30+ students that only have one lesson per week with the NET? I believe we should be used almost exclusively with the better motivated students and those that show an active interest in learning English, and help them as much as we can.
Also, the co-teachers and schools need to take more responsibility and incorporate us into their lesson plans, rather than using us entertainment for the students or an excuse to to take a break.
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