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The Floating World



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 4:15 pm    Post subject: Some questions re backing up a laptop Reply with quote

Ok, so I got an ex hdd.

THREE main questions.

Question 1.

I backed up my lpatop and it took up 350gb of my 500gb ex hdd.

about 150gb was the backup and then the same again, roughly, for the system image.

My issue is, I want to make the back up size smaller by not including some of my downloads library files inthe backup - eg include movies but not tv shows.

Problem is if I choose the advanced (I get to choose all files and folders etc) rather than general backup option (Computer / hdd manager chooses automatically) - I am not sure what I need to back up with regards to anything other than my movies.

Do I need to back up desktop? My computer?

I have no clue!

What i want to do is backup all of my movies AND everything I need to get my laptop working again should the laptop's hdd stop functioning.

Is that possible? To back up my SYSTEM (ie my OS, settings, programmes etc, a virtual copy of my laptop in effect i guess) so if my hdd crashes, I can re-load it all via the ex hdd.

Or is a back up only for saving data such as mvies, docs and favorites?

I have no clue!

What is a sytem image?

Help please....

I was going to delete all the tv shows from my laptop hdd etc, then do back up so I have movies only on the ex hdd (along with whatever else)and then re-download the tv shows on tothe laptop after the backup is done so as to save space on the ex hdd - but that seems a little time intensive and maybe the wrong way to go about it, so thought I'd check here first.

So again, as well as my movies - what else do I need to back up - and how - so as to be able to essentially use my os and laptop as normal from my ex hdd in the event of my laptop hdd crashing - and is that what a backup is?

Question 2.

ALSO - when I did the 1st backup, it winzipped the files. So a movie was saved in like 4 or 5 pieces of 200mb each and all winzipped. I didn't like that and wanted each movie saved as one file just like it is on my laptop hdd in 'downloads.' So after deleting the backup, I also uninstalled the free winzip. When I do my next back up, now that winzip is gone - will it save the movies as whole files (I'm assuming it didn't before only because winzip zipped the files automatically or soemthing....)

Question 3.

Actually I'm fine with the backup or the image size if the ex hdd does the auto back up where it chooses the files etc - if I only need one of them. I can handle 150gb of space taken up.

Do I need both?

How are they different.

Cheers.


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The Floating World



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, I think I'm on to a plan....

In windows backup it says windows WONT backup files that are in the recycle bin!

So I can just move the tv shows etc I don't need for my back up and sytem image (it says I need this as it can help restore my computer) into recycle bin, do the back up and image thing and then when it's done, eject the ext hdd and then just go to recycle bin and restore the files to the onboard hdd.

Right..?
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eamo



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 7:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't bother doing back-up's of anything except my photos and home movies......which I back-up to DVD-R because I think they're more reliable than an HDD.

Important documents go on my USB drive.

All these movies......are they movies you won't be able to get again? I do burn the occasional movie to DVD-r but very rarely nowadays. Really, in the last few years there hasn't been a single film that I haven't been able to download somewhere.

I wouldn't waste so much HDD space on a back-up for re-obtainable media.

Also, I don't even back-up my OS partition. Because I like to re-format and start with a new Windows installation periodically.......although this seems to be not so needed with Windows 7 because it doesn't seem to get clogged up and slow down the way XP installations used to.


So, my POV is only back-up what can't be replaced.
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The Floating World



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The movies - I am building a film library. So yes, they are very important to me.

Documents is a non issue seeing as my whole docs library only takes up 500mb.

But what if my onboard crashed - to restore my system and os etc - don't I need to back-up? I'm of the understandign that this or the system image thingy essentailly will restore everything.

I don't have a win7 disk as it's pirate from yongsan.

Could anyone address all 3 of my questions if they have time....?
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ttompatz



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 8:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just copy (drag and drop) the stuff (files or complete directories) you want saved to the external HDD and don't sweat the rest.

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The Floating World



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ttompatz wrote:
Just copy (drag and drop) the stuff (files or complete directories) you want saved to the external HDD and don't sweat the rest.

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That's my whole issue - movies and docs aside - I don't know what else one should back up to get their laptop runnign again in the event of hdd failiure!

I read this on a website -

Quote:
Some back-up software makes it simple to back up whole drives, including operating system files with a few clicks. This means if the worst happened, you could have your PC system up and running again within hours.


So I need to back up the whole drive right?

What I mean is - if my onboard hdd crashed and is buggered beyond repair - what must I backup so that I can restore my sytem using the ext hdd in place of theonoard and until I got a new onboard hdd?
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ttompatz



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 9:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Floating World wrote:
ttompatz wrote:
Just copy (drag and drop) the stuff (files or complete directories) you want saved to the external HDD and don't sweat the rest.

.


That's my whole issue - movies and docs aside - I don't know what else one should back up to get their laptop runnign again in the event of hdd failiure!

I read this on a website -

Quote:
Some back-up software makes it simple to back up whole drives, including operating system files with a few clicks. This means if the worst happened, you could have your PC system up and running again within hours.


So I need to back up the whole drive right?

What I mean is - if my onboard hdd crashed and is buggered beyond repair - what must I backup so that I can restore my sytem using the ext hdd in place of theonoard and until I got a new onboard hdd?


Did you get the mainboard /recovery DVD with your laptop?

If yes, then there is NOTHING you need other than your data backed up and iso images of any pirated software you want to keep.

If no, or if you don't have an install disc of your O/S then you may want to back that up (personally, I would just download another copy and burn that to a DVD).

If you are not technically savvy enough to reinstall your O/S then again, don't worry since any tech can download and reinstall everything faster than you can recover it from your HDD.

Just save you data files.

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The Floating World



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 9:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, I didn't get a mainboard recovery dvd.

How could a tech download onto my laptop in the event f hdd death, if there was no os to download through?

So if I do a full backup using w7 backup wizard will my os be backed up?

I got this infor from windows xp website on which files the backup wizard WILL NOT BACK UP...

�System files (the files that Windows needs to run)

�Program files

�Files stored on hard disks that are formatted using the FAT file system

�Web-based e-mail that is not stored on your hard disk

�Files that are in the Recycle Bin

�Temporary files

�User profile settings

I guess I should downlaod a new copy of w7 ultimate to dvd...? Or is there a way I can save my os to my ext hdd?

What about the drivers my hp machine uses etc...?

Man this is doin my head in, barely slept last night due to all the confusion.

What is the one simplest way to make sure my movies AND my os and system fiels are backed up? Scew the space issue, I just wan quick and easy, one click option...

cheers.


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The Floating World



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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 9:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
System image backup
Windows Backup provides you with the ability to create a system image, which is an exact image of a drive. A system image includes Windows and your system settings, programs, and files. You can use a system image to restore the contents of your computer if your hard drive or computer ever stops working. When you restore your computer from a system image, it is a complete restoration; you can't choose individual items to restore, and all of your current programs, system settings, and files are replaced. Although this type of backup includes your personal files, we recommend that you back up your files regularly using Windows Backup so that you can restore individual files and folders as needed. When you set up scheduled file backup, you can choose whether you want to include a system image. This system image only includes the drives required for Windows to run. You can manually create a system image if you want to include additional data drives.


Is this essentially what I need to restore my computer and os, drivers etc should my onboard hdd die?

Man this is killing my brain....

It says here (win7)-

Quote:
How do I get my files back if my computer stops working?
It depends on the type of backups you have made and what files you want to restore.

�If you have a system image backup, you can restore Windows, your programs, and your files. For instructions about restoring your computer using a system image backup, see Restore your computer from a system image backup.

�If you have a file backup, you can restore your files on another computer or have your computer repaired and then restore your files on it. For instructions about restoring your files, see Restore files from a backup.
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The Floating World



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PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 5:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I did a full backup and system image.

All my docs were fine and opened, but it saved my movies in parts and they wouldn't play from the ext hdd.

So I deleted them from the backup and then just copied and pasted them into the ext hdd and they saved as whole files and play as normal!

From the backup I just kept

1. everything that wasn't a movie, prgrammes, windows files etc

2. and also the whole 125gb system image file.

Those should be enought to reboot windows and get my system working again if my onboard hdd dies?
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The Floating World



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 3:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

All I need is the system image to get my laptop working fully functionally with my OS and settings etc if my onboard hdd crashes?
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Skippy



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 8:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like a good plan. Here is what I would consider doing. First partition your main drive to two drives. So instead of C:\ you will have C: and D:. There is free software that will do this and work around your system. You will just need some extra space. So clear off the library and repartition the drive.

C: will be smaller and will your system and software. I think 25 GB is fine. I think. Do not really know with Win 7

D: will be your document drive. Here you put all your movies, documents, other stuff. Basically all the non system related files.

What will happen is you will back up all the D: stuff to externals drives and/or DVD's. So when your HD starts grinding you will just need to copy and move over to your new drive/ computer. All done with a simple file explorer. Still check into specialty copy programs like TeraCopy. They help insure good copies happen.

In the end your movie library does not really need to be backed up with backup software. All you need is just bit buckets like said DVD-rs/External HD's.

The C: is a little trickier. What you want in the end is an image of the drive. The image is like a big copy of of the drive in one file. Like a CD or DVD image. You have seen those files called .iso or .nrg. Sort of like that. So if your C: drive /OS get so crazy. You can just install the backup image of the drive. Some problems will doing this. If it is another computer then the image would be useless. A new hd same computer might need you to prepare the new drive like the old. The image will also be just as the computer was when you made it. So if you installed new software or updates they will be gone. Of course you could just image regularly.

Here is a start. Read this Check out the other two parts.
http://www.techsupportalert.com/partitioning-hard-drives-1.htm
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