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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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| rollo wrote: |
| Britain does not have free speech??? What do you suggest Julius perhaps a reeducation camp? |
That behavior is not particularly legal in the USA either. It couldn't be harassment because it was not being directed specifically at any individual. It could be "disturbing the peace", but she would have to be warned and then arrested before she would have to appear in court. Also it would pertain to the other people arguing with her also, although the police would focus on the bigoted woman. The Muslims that burn flags and say hateful things are protesting which is protected under freedom of speech in the American Constitution. |
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 4:15 am Post subject: |
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| recessiontime wrote: |
She didn't lay a finger on anyone.
She didn't damage or hurt anyone financially or physically. |
Verbal abuse can do far more damage than physical believe it or not.
She's just a piece of dumb, low class garbage off some council estate. She looks like she's never been anywhere in her life, never existed outside of her own culture. Probably has 5 kids by 5 different fathers so as to get extra benefit payouts. Taking on the cause of small-minded british nationalism does not ennoble her either.
Britain is ruined not because of immigrants, but because the welfare state has spawned a whole generation of white trash like her. |
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Paddycakes
Joined: 05 May 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 4:44 am Post subject: |
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She merely vocalized what people higher up the social ladder would probably have kept to themselves.
She looked really strung out on something, though.... feel very sorry for her kid. |
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recessiontime
Joined: 21 Jun 2010
Location: Got avatar privileges nyahahaha
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| Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 5:07 am Post subject: |
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| Julius wrote: |
| recessiontime wrote: |
She didn't lay a finger on anyone.
She didn't damage or hurt anyone financially or physically. |
Verbal abuse can do far more damage than physical believe it or not.
She's just a piece of dumb, low class garbage off some council estate. She looks like she's never been anywhere in her life, never existed outside of her own culture. Probably has 5 kids by 5 different fathers so as to get extra benefit payouts. Taking on the cause of small-minded british nationalism does not ennoble her either.
Britain is ruined not because of immigrants, but because the welfare state has spawned a whole generation of white trash like her. |
I'm not a fan of the comments she made but you have to understand that if the government can arrest and put you in jail for doing this then they have too much power and people will be living in fear of being politically incorrect or pissing off powerful people.
I don't like the welfare state either but that goes beyond the scope of this topic.
Yes verbal abuse can lead to damage but that's a civil issue you sue people in court for. You don't get arrested and go to jail for hurting someone's feelings. |
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The Floating World
Joined: 01 Oct 2011
Location: Here
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| Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 5:34 am Post subject: |
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Quit the hyperbole, she's not going do bloody jail!
She'll get a warning for a public affray incident or something petty. Wont even pay a fine. |
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Ineverlie&I'malwaysri
Joined: 09 Aug 2011
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| Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 6:50 am Post subject: |
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| The Floating World wrote: |
Yeah coz Britain is like a Police State compared to the US....
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Actually, w.r.t. free speech, Britain may even be worse than the US. |
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 7:28 am Post subject: |
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| Recessiontime wrote: |
| if the government can arrest and put you in jail for doing this then they have too much power and people will be living in fear of being politically incorrect |
"Will be"??
As far as I know Brits have lived in fear of being politically incorrect for the past 20 years or more.
Cmon you have to admit that such a public espousal of racism has been basically outlawed since the 80's at least.
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In England, Wales, and Scotland, the Public Order Act 1986 prohibits, by its Part 3, expressions of racial hatred, which is defined as hatred against a group of persons by reason of the group's colour, race, nationality (including citizenship) or ethnic or national origins. Section 18 of the Act says:
A person who uses threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour, or displays any written material which is threatening, abusive or insulting, is guilty of an offence if�
(a) he intends thereby to stir up racial hatred, or
(b) having regard to all the circumstances racial hatred is likely to be stirred up thereby.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech_laws_in_the_United_Kingdom |
| The Floating World wrote: |
Quit the hyperbole, she's not going do bloody jail!
She'll get a warning for a public affray incident or something petty. Wont even pay a fine. |
They may be treating her differently because its a high-profile case, but she was in fact arrested and locked up.
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�Racist� mum in My Tram Experience video locked up for her own protection
Commuter Emma West, accused of a racist rant on a crowded tram, was locked up �for her own protection� after a court heard she had received death threats
West is said to have hurled abuse at passengers while her four-year-old child sat on her lap on a tram from Croydon, south London.
West, 34, of New Addington, London, was charged at Croydon Magistrates' Court with a racially aggravated public order offence, denied bail and remanded for a week.
The clip, which was apparently filmed on the Croydon to Wimbledon Tramlink route, has been viewed by thousands of people after appearing online on Sunday.
The court heard 'there is a serious risk of her being injured in revenge attack by the public'
West, who was wearing jeans and a white Adidas jacket, was not asked to enter a plea.
She was arrested on Monday.
http://www.metro.co.uk/news/883361-racist-mum-in-my-tram-experience-video-locked-up-for-her-own-protection#ixzz1fCdJ3eIM |
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Ribena
Joined: 07 Apr 2011
Location: UK
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| Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 11:39 am Post subject: |
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| radcon wrote: |
The white woman basically said that foreigners have ruined Britian. She included Poles so her message wasn't totally about race.
The black woman said that whites were lazy and didnt work. Why wasnt the black woman arrested for her comments as well? |
Only white British people can be racist apparently. Probably something about upseting cultural sensitivies, that's usually the excuse in Britain.
I worked in a private school in London, it had lots of foreign kids but they all spoke excellent English, mostly because they spent their lives travelling around with their parents being educated in English-speaking international schools. The same can't be said for the immigrant kids in a typical East London school. The higher ups in Britain have a totally different experience of immigration into the country than everyone else. |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 3:51 pm Post subject: |
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| I'd be happy for her to be fined for public disturbance, or at least kicked off the bus, no need to bother with the racist bit. People who yell and rant on public transportation should be stopped regardless of what they are going on about. |
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The Floating World
Joined: 01 Oct 2011
Location: Here
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| Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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Actually under US freedom of speech laws, she would've been arrested as offenses of racial natures are seen as hate crimes there and can only be commited in public inside special sanctioned, fenced off zones.
I'm not doing the wiki fu, you guys can do it fo yo selves.... |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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| The Floating World wrote: |
Actually under US freedom of speech laws, she would've been arrested as offenses of racial natures are seen as hate crimes there and can only be commited in public inside special sanctioned, fenced off zones.
I'm not doing the wiki fu, you guys can do it fo yo selves.... |
No. Such regulations will only be upheld if content-neutral. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 6:17 pm Post subject: |
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Whether we like it or not, most countries have limits on freedom of speech.
Uttering death threats
Conspiracy to commit murder
Incitement of a riot
Slander
Child abuse
Aiding the enemy
I'm sure a more informed person that I could easily double that list. Limiting speech is nothing new, and I'm not at all shocked by these charges. |
All of those have to do with physical damage or losses in money. She didn't damage or hurt anyone financially or physically. |
No, not all of them are in relation to physical damage. In fact, they often brought about with the intention of avoiding physical damage (the first two for example). |
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The Floating World
Joined: 01 Oct 2011
Location: Here
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| Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| The Floating World wrote: |
Actually under US freedom of speech laws, she would've been arrested as offenses of racial natures are seen as hate crimes there and can only be commited in public inside special sanctioned, fenced off zones.
I'm not doing the wiki fu, you guys can do it fo yo selves.... |
No. Such regulations will only be upheld if content-neutral. |
No. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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| The Floating World wrote: |
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| The Floating World wrote: |
Actually under US freedom of speech laws, she would've been arrested as offenses of racial natures are seen as hate crimes there and can only be commited in public inside special sanctioned, fenced off zones.
I'm not doing the wiki fu, you guys can do it fo yo selves.... |
No. Such regulations will only be upheld if content-neutral. |
No. |
http://civilrights.uslegal.com/right-to-assemble/content-based-vs-content-neutral-restrictions-on-free-speech/ |
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The Floating World
Joined: 01 Oct 2011
Location: Here
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| Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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Please define content neutral.
anyhow
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| Freedom of speech is also sometimes limited to free speech zones, which can take the form of a wire fence enclosure, barricades, designed to segregate speakers according to the content of their message. There is much controversy surrounding the creation of these areas � the mere existence of such zones is offensive... Civil libertarians claim that Free Speech Zones are used as a form of censorship and public relations management to conceal the existence of popular opposition from the mass public and elected officials. The Department of Homeland Security under the Bush Administration "had even gone so far as to tell local police departments to regard critics of the War on Terrorism as potential terrorists themselves." |
Seems the US isn' t exaclty leading the world in the freedom stakes... |
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