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Tower of Babel
Joined: 29 Aug 2011
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"why are people obsessed with how gay men are supposed to dress?"
"..especially if they are from the American South"
Speaking of stereotypes... |
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Ribena
Joined: 07 Apr 2011
Location: UK
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| Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 12:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Tower of Babel wrote: |
"why are people obsessed with how gay men are supposed to dress?"
"..especially if they are from the American South"
Speaking of stereotypes... |
Well better safe than sorry.
I think you'll find more homophobes in the American south than you will find gay men wearing dresses to work. |
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Tower of Babel
Joined: 29 Aug 2011
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| Posted: Tue Sep 13, 2011 12:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Ribena wrote: |
| Tower of Babel wrote: |
"why are people obsessed with how gay men are supposed to dress?"
"..especially if they are from the American South"
Speaking of stereotypes... |
Well better safe than sorry.
I think you'll find more homophobes in the American south than you will find gay men wearing dresses to work. |
Fair enough. |
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jeremysums
Joined: 08 Apr 2011
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| Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 8:30 pm Post subject: Re: Sexual Orientation & Jobs in Seoul |
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A lot of people aim to get hired in Seoul so it'll be competitive, not impossible. Just who you go through and your experiences.
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Hi everyone! (First post! Hopefully in the right forum.)
So I've been looking at teaching English in Korea for a couple weeks now and I'm still in the beginning phases of the process (researching, contacting recruiters, researching, applying to individual schools, researching, researching, etc).
A big concern for me is as follows:
I see that most applicants to jobs have their hearts set on Seoul. I also see that, for me personally, I have had a difficult time socially and even psychologically when living in foreign places that are as conservative as (or maybe more than) Korea due to sexual orientation. Because of that I have learned that it is better for me to be in places where I have the opportunity to network with other GLBT individuals as a social outlet (I'm not political or vocal about the issue, I just mean in terms of socialization). This translates to Seoul being a good location for me (as far as I know).
How should I handle the application process with this in mind? I understand that there is nothing a recruiter can do in terms of where jobs are open, however, should I consider mentioning my personal reason for wanting to be specifically in Seoul?
Finally, does anyone know if given my situation there are other cities near or around Seoul where I could live/work but still have decent access to what Seoul offers in terms of touching base with other GLBTQ individuals?
Any thoughts much appreciated. Thanks  |
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jeremysums
Joined: 08 Apr 2011
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| Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 8:31 pm Post subject: Re: Sexual Orientation & Jobs in Seoul |
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A lot of people aim to get hired in Seoul so it'll be competitive, not impossible. Just who you go through and your experiences.
| seoulsurvivor8 wrote: |
Hi everyone! (First post! Hopefully in the right forum.)
So I've been looking at teaching English in Korea for a couple weeks now and I'm still in the beginning phases of the process (researching, contacting recruiters, researching, applying to individual schools, researching, researching, etc).
A big concern for me is as follows:
I see that most applicants to jobs have their hearts set on Seoul. I also see that, for me personally, I have had a difficult time socially and even psychologically when living in foreign places that are as conservative as (or maybe more than) Korea due to sexual orientation. Because of that I have learned that it is better for me to be in places where I have the opportunity to network with other GLBT individuals as a social outlet (I'm not political or vocal about the issue, I just mean in terms of socialization). This translates to Seoul being a good location for me (as far as I know).
How should I handle the application process with this in mind? I understand that there is nothing a recruiter can do in terms of where jobs are open, however, should I consider mentioning my personal reason for wanting to be specifically in Seoul?
Finally, does anyone know if given my situation there are other cities near or around Seoul where I could live/work but still have decent access to what Seoul offers in terms of touching base with other GLBTQ individuals?
Any thoughts much appreciated. Thanks |
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Ribena
Joined: 07 Apr 2011
Location: UK
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| Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2011 11:51 pm Post subject: Re: Sexual Orientation & Jobs in Seoul |
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| jeremysums wrote: |
A lot of people aim to get hired in Seoul so it'll be competitive, not impossible. Just who you go through and your experiences.
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Yes but it will be impossible if he reveals the reasons he wants to be in Seoul. On the plus side I've been told that most Korean don't have much of a gaydar and well frankly most of their young men look rather effeminate to our eyes anyway. Life as a gay man in Korea may be confusing. |
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seoulsurvivor8
Joined: 25 Aug 2011
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| Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 2:01 pm Post subject: Re: Sexual Orientation & Jobs in Seoul |
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| Ribena wrote: |
| jeremysums wrote: |
A lot of people aim to get hired in Seoul so it'll be competitive, not impossible. Just who you go through and your experiences.
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Yes but it will be impossible if he reveals the reasons he wants to be in Seoul. On the plus side I've been told that most Korean don't have much of a gaydar and well frankly most of their young men look rather effeminate to our eyes anyway. Life as a gay man in Korea may be confusing. |
I have no gaydar in the context of my own culture anyway, so that's not a problem. lol
I have a couple of friends going over via EPIK soon. I'll just use their location (regardless of where they end up) as my reason for Seoul. I started this thread a few months ago, and with 20/20 retrospect I have no idea why I was worried about this. Clearly I should be more worried about a hagwon following our contract rather than my exact location. If I get an offer from a recruiter for a place that's not Seoul, I can just say no can't I?
Also, waiting a longer period of time to get placed in Seoul is not a problem to me at all. I have all the time in the world being unemployed  |
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Ribena
Joined: 07 Apr 2011
Location: UK
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| Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 3:06 pm Post subject: Re: Sexual Orientation & Jobs in Seoul |
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| seoulsurvivor8 wrote: |
| Ribena wrote: |
| jeremysums wrote: |
A lot of people aim to get hired in Seoul so it'll be competitive, not impossible. Just who you go through and your experiences.
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Yes but it will be impossible if he reveals the reasons he wants to be in Seoul. On the plus side I've been told that most Korean don't have much of a gaydar and well frankly most of their young men look rather effeminate to our eyes anyway. Life as a gay man in Korea may be confusing. |
I have no gaydar in the context of my own culture anyway, so that's not a problem. lol
I have a couple of friends going over via EPIK soon. I'll just use their location (regardless of where they end up) as my reason for Seoul. I started this thread a few months ago, and with 20/20 retrospect I have no idea why I was worried about this. Clearly I should be more worried about a hagwon following our contract rather than my exact location. If I get an offer from a recruiter for a place that's not Seoul, I can just say no can't I?
Also, waiting a longer period of time to get placed in Seoul is not a problem to me at all. I have all the time in the world being unemployed |
Well if you can keep yourself to yourself, you'll be fine in most places. It all depends on what you are looking for or if you want to date or not. I don't think you were unjustified in being concerned, many gay people would be. I think its good to get information on how things are and modify your behaviour/expectations accordingly. Everyone wants to be happy and safe. You can never have enough information.
Good luck in your search for a job in Seoul. |
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Swampfox10mm
Joined: 24 Mar 2011
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| Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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Homophobe is a dead term. It implies fear. People who dislike homosexuality are not afraid of gays. They tend to generally disapprove of it or just find it disgusting. But scared? Fearful? No.
I have friends on both sides of the aisle. |
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PatrickBateman
Joined: 08 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 5:57 pm Post subject: |
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I'm sorry but this is a stupid thread. If you are gay or straight it doesn't matter. IF you are gay and a man, just don't come into work wearing a dress. Besides that it is fine. America, Europe, Australia, etc.... I don't ever imagine them asking any questions about your sexuality in a interview where ever you are. Keep in mind like what has been said earlier, Korea is a conservative country and if you are a man holding another man's hand then you might get stares.
Then again I see Korean women holding hands all the time here and they aren't gay. Also, the men here wear really tight clothing and skinny ties and nobody seems to think that is gay. I have a few gay expat friends in Korea and they have no problem. THis is not the middle east. Just have common sense and if you are a same sex couple keep some of PDA to a minimum in public places where some people might get offended. I would say this to straight people as well. Anyways, welcome to Korea and have a blast!!!! |
Because tight clothing=gay?
Which part of Alabama are you from?
Either way, OP. I had a gay friend at my first campus here in Seoul and everyone from the campus went to a Gay Pride PARADE here in Seoul, so I think things have changed a bit. There were plenty of Koreans there as well as foreigners. |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Swampfox10mm wrote: |
Homophobe is a dead term. It implies fear. People who dislike homosexuality are not afraid of gays. They tend to generally disapprove of it or just find it disgusting. But scared? Fearful? No.
I have friends on both sides of the aisle. |
Yeah I agree. I knew many Christian people back home who opposed it but never made it personal or treated people any differently. Many even had gay friends. They just agreed to disagree on some things. But, it wasn't the deep south. Probably different down there. |
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Ribena
Joined: 07 Apr 2011
Location: UK
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| Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 2:41 am Post subject: |
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| PatrickBateman wrote: |
| jurassic82 wrote: |
I'm sorry but this is a stupid thread. If you are gay or straight it doesn't matter. IF you are gay and a man, just don't come into work wearing a dress. Besides that it is fine. America, Europe, Australia, etc.... I don't ever imagine them asking any questions about your sexuality in a interview where ever you are. Keep in mind like what has been said earlier, Korea is a conservative country and if you are a man holding another man's hand then you might get stares.
Then again I see Korean women holding hands all the time here and they aren't gay. Also, the men here wear really tight clothing and skinny ties and nobody seems to think that is gay. I have a few gay expat friends in Korea and they have no problem. THis is not the middle east. Just have common sense and if you are a same sex couple keep some of PDA to a minimum in public places where some people might get offended. I would say this to straight people as well. Anyways, welcome to Korea and have a blast!!!! |
Because tight clothing=gay?
Which part of Alabama are you from?
Either way, OP. I had a gay friend at my first campus here in Seoul and everyone from the campus went to a Gay Pride PARADE here in Seoul, so I think things have changed a bit. There were plenty of Koreans there as well as foreigners. |
Well going to pride with everyone from camp is a good plan, easier to come on with convincing "not gay" story in that situation. Smart move on his part.  Somebody spots you there and you can just say you were being a tourist and enjoying the event. London is like that, goes right through the tourist heart and its full of families/kids watching. Unless its a pay event like rip-off Manchester Pride. |
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baby_b
Joined: 01 Feb 2011
Location: Greater Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 4:14 am Post subject: Re: Sexual Orientation & Jobs in Seoul |
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I live in a Seoul satellite and was surprised to find a reasonably sizable gay (male) area here - two modern bars and many older fashioned karaoke bars.
I think many Korean cities have a bigger gay scene than people - including gay Koreans - expect, but they are Korean-style gay scenes and not super foreigner-accessible like Homo Hill is.
Many Koreans use http://www.ivancity.com/ to network and discuss and I know people in my area organize GLBT meetings in restaurants etc. via Ivancity, but everybody speaks Korean so again pretty inaccessible to non-Korean speakers.
My advice for guys is get a smart phone and get Jack'd (Korean pronunciation: Jack Dee). Easiest way to meet people, including new friends. In fact my impression is the gay scene in my satellite city peaked a while ago now and is starting to wither because of Jack'd.
(There is an app like Jack'd but for women that's popular in Korea but I forget its name...)
Just be aware that, depending on their age, your students might be on these apps too, often lurking. And by 'depending on their age' I mean from middle school up. |
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Ribena
Joined: 07 Apr 2011
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| Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 11:32 am Post subject: |
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| I have to say I find those ShagMeeting aps kinda creepy. I think there is one of those for the straights in London as well. There is always people handing out leaflets for it at tube stations. Various magazine/newspapers are always complaining about it. I'd be worried about meeting a Freddy Krugger-look-alike using those kind of apps. Not that I'm a gay man so I don't have to worry about that. |
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ghostrider
Joined: 27 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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| I think it's common sense. I don't think it would be a good idea to disclose to recruiters/schools that you're into threesomes or S&M either. |
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