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whiteshoes
Joined: 14 Apr 2009
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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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madoka wrote: |
Personally, I don't think K-pop will penetrate the U.S. very much. Nonsensical lyrics, horrible accents, and foreign-ness are three strikes against it. |
I agree 100%. Don't forget that part of why they have English songs isn't only to try to penetrate the US (that is a part of it) but to have more access globally.
http://www.mtviggy.com/interviews/tablo-uncut-an-interview-with-epik-high%E2%80%99s-charismatic-leader/
Tablo give a great interview hitting on a lot of these topics. |
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cj1976
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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When I was 11-14 before I developed any serious affection for music, I listened to some real crap. MC Hammer, Vanilla Ice, Snap, C & C Music Factory. Adults would tell me how it wasn't real music and it all sounded the same, and now here I am doing the same thing, haha. |
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adzee1
Joined: 22 Jul 2010
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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 9:10 pm Post subject: |
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I hate it !! Its a complete joke and should not be classed as music.
What I hate even more is the twenty something westerners who come here and then suddenly become massive K-pop fans, acting like 12 year old girls just to try and "fit in ". I work with one of them and it annoys the hell out of me !! |
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whiteshoes
Joined: 14 Apr 2009
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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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adzee1 wrote: |
I hate it !! Its a complete joke and should not be classed as music.
What I hate even more is the twenty something westerners who come here and then suddenly become massive K-pop fans, acting like 12 year old girls just to try and "fit in ". I work with one of them and it annoys the hell out of me !! |
So am I out of your aggro range because I'm 30 plus? LOL. |
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simonandmartina
Joined: 20 Oct 2008
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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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1) Big difference between whether you personally like it or on whether it's becoming popular or "cool." Yes, Kpop is becoming quite popular, more popular than the music of other countries. You may have your reasons to dislike it. You can rip into it all you want. But it's huge now, a lot bigger than the music of lots of other countries.
2) Success in North America isn't dependent on whether some kid in Flin Flon Idaho knows who 2NE1 are. Nor does Kpop have to beat out Rihanna to be considered successful. I'll take the fact that it's getting a lot of media attention from various news outlets, as mentioned by the OP, along with Twitter being constantly overrun with Kpop related Trends, to suggest that Kpop is doing quite well for itself. |
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adzee1
Joined: 22 Jul 2010
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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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whiteshoes wrote: |
adzee1 wrote: |
I hate it !! Its a complete joke and should not be classed as music.
What I hate even more is the twenty something westerners who come here and then suddenly become massive K-pop fans, acting like 12 year old girls just to try and "fit in ". I work with one of them and it annoys the hell out of me !! |
So am I out of your aggro range because I'm 30 plus? LOL. |
LOL... Possibly it depends whether you like it because you think is its cool, or if you actually like the music. If its the first category then I have a problem with it, If you fall into the latter category then I think you have serious problems regarding musical taste
btw what music in English do you like ? Maybe that will explain a little more. |
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The Floating World
Joined: 01 Oct 2011 Location: Here
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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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simonandmartina wrote: |
1) Big difference between whether you personally like it or on whether it's becoming popular or "cool." Yes, Kpop is becoming quite popular, more popular than the music of other countries. You may have your reasons to dislike it. You can rip into it all you want. But it's huge now, a lot bigger than the music of lots of other countries.
Yes, countries whose music scenes are in the equivalent of a tunnel miles underground.
2) Success in North America isn't dependent on whether some kid in Flin Flon Idaho knows who 2NE1 are. Nor does Kpop have to beat out Rihanna to be considered successful. I'll take the fact that it's getting a lot of media attention from various news outlets, as mentioned by the OP, along with Twitter being constantly overrun with Kpop related Trends, to suggest that Kpop is doing quite well for itself. |
They aren't major music outlets, they are on the fringe of the firnge at best. Give it till midway thru next year and it'll be over quicker than Bi's rein in Hollywood....
No need to get emotional, these are just plain realities. |
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Steelrails

Joined: 12 Mar 2009 Location: Earth, Solar System
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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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I don't think a few write ups in various magazines make something "a global phenomenon". KPop is certainly a regional phenomenon that has growing international appeal (By growing I mean going from 0.0 to .5% awareness).
I like KPop, but I also like a whole bunch of other music. Mostly I like it if I'm going to go out and socialize. When I'm by myself or with certain crowds I like different music.
As to why KPop sounds the way it does, I have said this before and I must say it again- Music here is a much more social phenomenon. I mean one of the main social bonding activities is to go out and sing songs for a couple hours. This means the songs have to be enjoyed by many, and they have to be "singable".
Led Zeppelin smokes Kpop, but have you tried to sing Led Zeppelin at a Noraebang? Ever notice that there are a large number of "unsingable" English songs at the noraebang? Great songs, but only a few can sing them, and if you aren't one of those few, it sounds terrible. Look at Korean's taste in English songs- ones that are relatively easy to sing and known by all.
I should also emphasize that not everyone listens to music for the same reasons. One big reason is to experience the emotions and the mood it puts them in. More and more back home people are listening to music to identify with a group or to use it as some sort of "class" thing.
But yeah, I don't think KPop is as big as these news outlets occasionally make it out to be. It may be a good internet meme or something like that, but its not like "Reggae" or "Salsa" or even didgeriedoo music. |
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cj1976
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 10:15 pm Post subject: |
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Kpop isn't particularly inventive or creative, but at least the singers look pretty. |
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itistime
Joined: 23 Jul 2010
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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 10:44 pm Post subject: |
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Steelrails wrote: |
I don't think a few write ups in various magazines make something "a global phenomenon". KPop is certainly a regional phenomenon that has growing international appeal (By growing I mean going from 0.0 to .5% awareness).
I like KPop, but I also like a whole bunch of other music. Mostly I like it if I'm going to go out and socialize. When I'm by myself or with certain crowds I like different music.
As to why KPop sounds the way it does, I have said this before and I must say it again- Music here is a much more social phenomenon. I mean one of the main social bonding activities is to go out and sing songs for a couple hours. This means the songs have to be enjoyed by many, and they have to be "singable".
Led Zeppelin smokes Kpop, but have you tried to sing Led Zeppelin at a Noraebang? Ever notice that there are a large number of "unsingable" English songs at the noraebang? Great songs, but only a few can sing them, and if you aren't one of those few, it sounds terrible. Look at Korean's taste in English songs- ones that are relatively easy to sing and known by all.
I should also emphasize that not everyone listens to music for the same reasons. One big reason is to experience the emotions and the mood it puts them in. More and more back home people are listening to music to identify with a group or to use it as some sort of "class" thing.
But yeah, I don't think KPop is as big as these news outlets occasionally make it out to be. It may be a good internet meme or something like that, but its not like "Reggae" or "Salsa" or even didgeriedoo music. |
These paragraphs here are an excellent analysis, Rails.
Way to keep it real.
I agree almost 100%
Some of you should stop lying to yourselves. |
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jvalmer

Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 10:50 pm Post subject: |
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Kpop is popular alright, but not in North America. |
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strange_brew
Joined: 12 Oct 2008
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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 10:50 pm Post subject: |
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It's complete tripe. But they have a formula, they stick to the formula, and it's making them a boatload of money. Personally, I have no idea how people listen to it, but I feel that way about most of the radio music back home too. Today, music is more commercialised than ever before, and it's sad. Remember when songs that actually had meaning and intelligent lyrics were popular? Not that all popular songs back in the day had meaning, but many, many, more than now. The commercialisation of music is just another cause and symptom of the commercialisation and corporationism of society in general.
Basically another way to get you to buy more shi te that you don't need is what it has become. |
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Malislamusrex
Joined: 01 Feb 2010
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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 11:11 pm Post subject: |
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It's a manufactured brand, Kpop is supported by the government as a tariffed export, there was even an 'international' awards ceremony in Singapore that was exclusively for South Korean pop stars.
Basically the Korean music industry is taking th Kim Jong Il approac . |
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madoka

Joined: 27 Mar 2008
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Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 12:07 am Post subject: |
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Malislamusrex wrote: |
It's a manufactured brand, Kpop is supported by the government as a tariffed export, there was even an 'international' awards ceremony in Singapore that was exclusively for South Korean pop stars. |
So that's why a Japanese artist won Hottest Asian Artist Award, Chinese artists won both Best New Asian Solo Artist and Best Asian Artist, and Asian Americans won Best New Asian Artist Group? Are they all secretly Korean? |
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Malislamusrex
Joined: 01 Feb 2010
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Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 1:03 am Post subject: |
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I don't know what it was called, my wife was watching it, but she told me it was all in Korean all the singers were Korean, and she told me it was strange, I was in the other room at the time, I just walked in and out a few times.
madoka wrote: |
Malislamusrex wrote: |
It's a manufactured brand, Kpop is supported by the government as a tariffed export, there was even an 'international' awards ceremony in Singapore that was exclusively for South Korean pop stars. |
So that's why a Japanese artist won Hottest Asian Artist Award, Chinese artists won both Best New Asian Solo Artist and Best Asian Artist, and Asian Americans won Best New Asian Artist Group? Are they all secretly Korean? |
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