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akcrono
Joined: 11 Mar 2010
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 Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 10:18 am Post subject: Any chance of a positive change in this absurd CBC system? |
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| It's getting ridiculous. I've missed out on job opportunities, and I know of at least a few schools who are having trouble filling positions because of the delay in checks. The hoops that we need to jump through are also just plain silly and are a complete waste of time. Any word of getting rid of some of the silliness? |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 3:16 pm Post subject: Re: Any chance of a positive change in this absurd CBC syste |
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| akcrono wrote: |
| It's getting ridiculous. I've missed out on job opportunities, and I know of at least a few schools who are having trouble filling positions because of the delay in checks. The hoops that we need to jump through are also just plain silly and are a complete waste of time. Any word of getting rid of some of the silliness? |
Nope.
In addition to the immigration requirements for E2 applicants the MOE has now made it (CBC and degree; both with apostille) a requirement for employers to verify and show (when the teacher is registered) for ALL teachers.
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waseige1
Joined: 09 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 4:52 pm Post subject: Re: Any chance of a positive change in this absurd CBC syste |
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| akcrono wrote: |
| It's getting ridiculous. I've missed out on job opportunities, and I know of at least a few schools who are having trouble filling positions because of the delay in checks. The hoops that we need to jump through are also just plain silly and are a complete waste of time. Any word of getting rid of some of the silliness? |
I don't find the idea of "proven" documents "silliness". I would want them to do the same for people charged with my children.
I do find in this electronic age having to wait on my country for 10 weeks for the document somewhat silly, but I applaud Korea for taking the responsibility to make us prove we fit their requirements.
I see most of the problem with my government, not Korea's. |
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valkerie
Joined: 02 Mar 2007
Location: Busan
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| Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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I totally get that they want these docs. My frustration lies with having to do the apostille thing AGAIN, even for a visa transfer at the end of this contract.
Less than a year ago both docs were submitted with the new rules. Pointless and expensive, as well as being difficult to do.
Seriously looking elsewhere. |
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akcrono
Joined: 11 Mar 2010
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| Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 8:36 pm Post subject: Re: Any chance of a positive change in this absurd CBC syste |
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| waseige1 wrote: |
| akcrono wrote: |
| It's getting ridiculous. I've missed out on job opportunities, and I know of at least a few schools who are having trouble filling positions because of the delay in checks. The hoops that we need to jump through are also just plain silly and are a complete waste of time. Any word of getting rid of some of the silliness? |
I don't find the idea of "proven" documents "silliness". I would want them to do the same for people charged with my children.
I do find in this electronic age having to wait on my country for 10 weeks for the document somewhat silly, but I applaud Korea for taking the responsibility to make us prove we fit their requirements.
I see most of the problem with my government, not Korea's. |
Even when we have a state system that works fine and is much faster?
Even when we have to submit the SAME document each year over and over?
Even though E-2 visa holders have had a crime rate significantly below the Korean average, and a major crime rate (Murder, Burglary, Rape, Larceny, & Assault) so low I can't find statistics on it?
Yes, the FBI needs to get their act together; it's the information age. Still, Korea should understand they won't change the US system by themselves, and not all countries work the same way as the US (one of the reasons an FBI check takes so long is the size of the US; not just the population, but the geographical size that makes it hard for smaller police departments to be wired). Since E-2 visa holders have never been a real social problem, why all the hoops to jump through? |
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waseige1
Joined: 09 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 8:47 pm Post subject: Re: Any chance of a positive change in this absurd CBC syste |
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| Even when we have to submit the SAME document each year over and over? |
We don't have to, that has been changed. If you don't leave the country for more than 3 months and don't break a contract (needing a new visa) you don't have to resubmit.
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| Even though E-2 visa holders have had a crime rate significantly below the Korean average, and a major crime rate (Murder, Burglary, Rape, Larceny, & Assault) so low I can't find statistics on it? |
Maybe, but if they keep out one problem and keep one child safe, it was worth it. I think Penn State is doing some soul searching on an unrelated issue but still....
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| Still, Korea should understand they won't change the US system by themselves |
I don't think they really care if they change the US system. It is their country, their rules and most important their children. Play their game or not, it truly is the immigrant's choice and I choose to comply. Our FBI, size, method or whatever you want to call it truly is not their concern nor should it be.
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| Since E-2 visa holders have never been a real social problem, why all the hoops to jump through? |
A very black and white statement in a very gray world. Since I have been here (3 years) there has been several E-2 "problems". |
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valkerie
Joined: 02 Mar 2007
Location: Busan
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| Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Technically immigration are ok with me not producing the same docs again. Sadly many jobs still want them. No way to argue about the futility of it all. |
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Who's Your Daddy?
Joined: 30 May 2010
Location: Victoria, Canada.
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| Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 10:09 pm Post subject: Re: Any chance of a positive change in this absurd CBC syste |
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| waseige1 wrote: |
if they keep out one problem and keep one child safe, it was worth it.
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no it wasn't. |
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nathanrutledge
Joined: 01 May 2008
Location: Marakesh
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| Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 10:51 pm Post subject: Re: Any chance of a positive change in this absurd CBC syste |
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| Who's Your Daddy? wrote: |
| waseige1 wrote: |
if they keep out one problem and keep one child safe, it was worth it.
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no it wasn't. |
Say that when it's your kid being molested. |
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r122925
Joined: 02 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 10:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Technically immigration are ok with me not producing the same docs again. Sadly many jobs still want them. No way to argue about the futility of it all. |
Yes this has become a big problem. Even if immigration doesn't need it, many employers are insisting on it now. If you try to say no they think you're trying to hide something. Which is somewhat understandable, but at the same time I really wish there was a way to make these people understand how difficult, time consuming, and expensive it is to obtain these checks. Hyopthetically, if I were to quit, get fired, or my hagwon went out of business tomorrow, what would my options be? Wait 3-5 months for a new FBI check before I can get another job? I wonder if I could set up a deal with the FBI to send me a new background check once every 6 months without having to send new fingerprints? Because that seems to be what it is coming to. You need to always have one on hand just in case you need it, because if you don't have one and you do need it you are royally screwed since it takes such a long time to get a new one. |
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koreatimes
Joined: 07 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 11:30 pm Post subject: |
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| The absurdity lies in the fact that you can be a criminal and a tourist, but not a criminal and a teacher. If we are going to be cautious and take preventive measures, then you should be checked before you leave your home country (electronically), thus making the document process (in Korea or anywhere else that does this now) redundant. |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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There is always the option of lobbying YOUR government to do something about the cost and delay time to get documents from them.
That is the problem... it's not on the Korean side and most other countries don't have the delays or costs that Americans face.
Another solution might be to change your citizenship to somewhere other than the US. It would be just about as easy to accomplish as dealing with your own dysfunctional government services:) .
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rollo
Joined: 10 May 2006
Location: China
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| Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 12:07 am Post subject: |
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| The CBC was needed before something really bad happened. The problem for U.S citizens is that our population is 300 million. So much more work for agencies. Would be faster if say 20 million. Tourist are not in daily contact with children. |
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koreatimes
Joined: 07 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 12:27 am Post subject: |
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| Tourist are not in daily contact with children. |
How do you know? No tourist teaches illegally? If you are going to do something as heinous as what the CBC is intended to prevent, you aren't going to go through hoops just to "appear" innocent. However, the innocent will.
This just makes a mountain of work for the government to OK good people and miss the bad ones.
Do we have stats on how many people have been stopped from entering a teaching position due to their CBC? And the reasons? |
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Ribena
Joined: 07 Apr 2011
Location: UK
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| Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 2:26 am Post subject: |
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| Tourist are not in daily contact with children. |
How do you know? No tourist teaches illegally? If you are going to do something as heinous as what the CBC is intended to prevent, you aren't going to go through hoops just to "appear" innocent. However, the innocent will.
This just makes a mountain of work for the government to OK good people and miss the bad ones.
Do we have stats on how many people have been stopped from entering a teaching position due to their CBC? And the reasons? |
Blame the FBI for their slow work rate. I had no problems getting a criminal check in the UK. I think any country or school is prefectly entitled to do a criminal check on any person working at the school in question. I would be dubious of any organisation that didn't. |
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