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SojuQueen
Joined: 29 Dec 2010 Location: Land of the cold winters
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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 7:53 pm Post subject: Teaching in Hong Kong |
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Has anyone taught or is currently teaching in Hong Kong?
I am about going to finish my contract in a short time and I am looking at options of going to other countries to teach. Can someone give me some information on teaching in H.K.?
What is the recruiting process?
How much is the pay per month?
Is housing included? if not, then will the school help you to find it?
What is the work environment like there? do you get a co-teacher?
Can you give extra lessons?
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missty

Joined: 19 Feb 2008
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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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I taught there about 4 years ago, so things might have changed a bit since then. But I can give you some information.
I guess you're looking for public school work? If so, then I didn't work as a NET, but had a good friend who did. The pay was very good, about 21,000 HKD base, with extra benefits for housing allowance (with the NET scheme they paid housing but gave you little to no help looking for a place, with the private schools they normally provide housing, - they did for me anyway) and settling in loans etc... You can live very nicely off that, and that was just the base pay. As for teaching, I have very little idea about that for NET's, but it seemed like its a co-teaching environment with 40 students in the class.
If you want to apply for the NET scheme you need to hand in all your documents by January (not too sure of the exact dates) for the August intake. They ONLY intake in August, (or at least they did when I last looked into it.)
As for me I worked in a private school. It was poor pay, (about 17,000 with 5,000 HKD housing taken out) and run by a witch of a manager. We worked Saturdays, had about 7 days off a year, but class sizes were small. This is common for private schools in HK, and as a newbie I wasn't too fussed.
I think, but am not too sure, that privates are ok. I never did them, and only once through my school, but I remember people doing them outside of work. Whether or not this was legal, I have no idea.
If you have any other questions then I can try my best to answer them, but as I've said, 4 years are a long time and things may have changed.
Oh, and the website for teaching in primary/secondary schools in HK is:
http://www.edb.gov.hk/index.aspx?nodeID=262
You might be able to get some info from that site. From what I recall they were TERRIBLE at answering emails, (as in, they never did) so contacting them may be hard. |
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shostahoosier
Joined: 14 Apr 2009
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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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| You might have better luck in the International Forum with this question. |
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ttompatz

Joined: 05 Sep 2005 Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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If you have a B.Ed and home country certification as a teacher or a PCGE and QTS then there are decent opportunities in HK and Taiwan.
If you don't, then language schools there are worse than here in terms of salary, savings, holidays and work hours.
As an E2 qualified ESL teacher you can do the same (as HK) in terms of pay and benefits with better holidays and lower costs of living in Thailand or even at a buxiban in Taiwan.
If you are up to a bit of a challenge, you can do pretty well in Vietnam as well (salaries for those with a degree and a TEFL cert in the $2000 range).
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SojuQueen
Joined: 29 Dec 2010 Location: Land of the cold winters
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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 8:57 am Post subject: |
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Thank you for all of the information Missty
It looks like the best jobs are public school jobs, but they require certification, which I do not have. And I do NOT want to end up at the mercy of some 'academy' again. Well, but at least its something to consider in the future.
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earthquakez
Joined: 10 Nov 2010
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Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 7:41 pm Post subject: |
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As an E2 qualified ESL teacher you can do the same (as HK) in terms of pay and benefits with better holidays and lower costs of living in Thailand or even at a buxiban in Taiwan. |
I recall reading somewhere that you have a house and residency in Thailand. However, I've read updates on the teaching situation in Thailand and the two big problems seem: Immigration rules that require hoop jumping; a flooded market where backpackers/others go to Thailand and corner work and really dimishing ops for English teachers as in those of us on E-2s in Korea. Can you let us know what is the real situation?
Re the buxiban scene in Taiwan - it's getting worse and worse. It's far harder to get even a sh%%%y job, part time work is rapidly increasing and good luck sorting out your visa. There simply are less and less opportunities in Taiwan and all the nonsense and waiting around is not worth it. Korea's 'flooded market' has tons of jobs compared to Taiwan. Getting documents ready etc for Korea isn't that bad compared to the nonsense you'd go through for a low paying, insecure job in a Taiwan buxiban. |
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ttompatz

Joined: 05 Sep 2005 Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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| earthquakez wrote: |
| ttompatz wrote: |
As an E2 qualified ESL teacher you can do the same (as HK) in terms of pay and benefits with better holidays and lower costs of living in Thailand or even at a buxiban in Taiwan. |
I recall reading somewhere that you have a house and residency in Thailand. However, I've read updates on the teaching situation in Thailand and the two big problems seem: Immigration rules that require hoop jumping; a flooded market where backpackers/others go to Thailand and corner work and really diminishing ops for English teachers as in those of us on E-2s in Korea. Can you let us know what is the real situation?
Re the buxiban scene in Taiwan - it's getting worse and worse. It's far harder to get even a sh%%%y job, part time work is rapidly increasing and good luck sorting out your visa. There simply are less and less opportunities in Taiwan and all the nonsense and waiting around is not worth it. Korea's 'flooded market' has tons of jobs compared to Taiwan. Getting documents ready etc for Korea isn't that bad compared to the nonsense you'd go through for a low paying, insecure job in a Taiwan buxiban. |
If you qualify for an E2 in Korea it is EASY to find a real job in Thailand with a proper visa and work permits.
The vast majority of people who have problems are those who don't have a degree (the back-packer set) and want to extend their stay in the tropics, married to a Thai and have no qualifications other than speaking English, or the retirees (many of whom have limited pensions (so have to work to stay) and no degree and old age working against them).
Coming in you will start at the mid range ... 32-35k baht (maybe up to 40 in BKK). Don't even bother looking at jobs in the 25k range or working for some agency.
If you are any good at all you will quickly find opportunities to move up.
40-60k (1.5-2.2 million KRW) jobs are out there (15-20 classes per week) but you won't find them advertized on websites.
There are also plenty of opportunities to supplement your income (LEGALLY) by doing extra tutoring ON CAMPUS and adding 5-20k baht per month to your income (after school or Saturdays).
And yes, I have a job in Thailand, currently 12 classes per week (8 months of the year) on a 12 month contract (yup, 16 weeks of annual vacation when I return to Korea as a consultant to a POE for the other 4).
In Thailand I have a base salary of 60k (12 months) with some extra work (still within my regular work day) bringing that up to 75k (for 8 months).
I have a nice, air conditioned, 3 bedroom, 2 bath house that is about a 10 minute walk from the school and costs me 3000 baht for rent and another 3000 for utilities, cable, and broadband internet. I have medical insurance that covers just about everything short of a heart transplant.
If you really want to work in the LOS, bring your degree, transcript, CBC and about $3000 (to cover you till payday) and a 60 day tourist visa (not the 30 day entry on arrival) or you will be doing a border run at your expense before you ever start work).
Arrive in mid March and start your search. The bulk of recruitment (for the better jobs) will take place in March and April (before Songkran (Apr13-16)).
The job will probably have you start on May 1-7 with students returning to class around May 14 and your first payday between May 25-June 1.
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Hotpants
Joined: 27 Jan 2006
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Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 3:05 am Post subject: |
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For the government NET packages, there are usually a shortage of applicants each year (at least there were - haven't looked what's going on there for a couple of years) and you can get in fairly easily as a PNET (primary/elementary) without a teaching cert if you have some previous teaching experience with ele kids. The downside with the NET scheme is that you need to interview in person, and no interview venues in Korea, and visa processing can be pretty lengthy, so you need to plan up to a year in advance to get in. The first salary payment with NET is notorious for getting delayed, so you also need a lot of your own cash up front just to get you started. However, once in, the going is often pretty good provided you are in an area with affordable housing.
Overall, best to post on HK forum - lots of similar posts on there. |
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Econo
Joined: 12 Oct 2011
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Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 5:45 am Post subject: |
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Hotpants, your info may indeed be out of date in regards to qualifications. Two of my friends are working in the NET scheme, and were hired in 2010/2011. QTS/home country certification AND a TESOL/TEFL/CELTA are required for the primary school jobs(unless hired outside of the NET scheme). As for secondary, you need QTS and at least a graduate diploma(not certificate) in TESOL/TEFL.
Like Korea, they too have had a flood of applicants from the States and Britain, according to some of the fellow NETS in the surrounding schools. As for pay, it is good and the holidays are better BUT the other problems people have with EPIK are replicated to a degree in HK. |
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