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Modernist
Joined: 23 Mar 2011 Location: The 90s
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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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This thread is really backing up my decision to have no interest whatsoever in K-girls. The last thing I want is anything that could bind me here even 1 day past the time I accomplish my goal and complete my term.
I really think Draz, strange brew and Floating World sum the whole sorry business up. Teaching English is generally a crap excuse for a 'profession' as strange brew says. An intelligent person will tire of it exceptionally quickly. Then, as FW notes, there's the WAY this generally crap job is actually done in Korea, which adds a stifling blanket of anomie and mediocrity to almost every day spent doing it here unless you are one of the 5% or so of people here like him that has a real, international style position that frees you from Korean stupidity in education.
Finally, there's Draz's excellent point about the general lousiness of this country no matter what you're doing. Personally I can't believe how dull and disappointing Seoul is for a city of 10 million. How can there be so many people in a place but so little to do or see? Every city I visit looks the same, sounds the same, smells the same [ugh]. Every museum is full of the same junk. Every department store makes me want to set my wallet on fire. Every Korean food I try makes me want to spit it out. Everything they make is a half-assed version of something the Jaapnese or Europeans or Americans did first and better.
It's tougher for me to be happy when all around me is mediocrity. I could handle that though, IF I was doing meaningful work instead of feeling like a light fixture that gets plugged in every morning at 9 AM.
OP, can you ever get out of here? Is your wife and kid a sentence to a lifetime in Korea? If so, you HAVE to find a way to do more fufilling work or you will just be treading water at best and that's not fair to your family. What did you dream of doing when you were younger? What was your college goal? Can you make a plan to find your way back? Away from this meaningless EFL time-wasting?
If you care about them, they deserve someone who is more than an empty shell going through the motions every day for a check. Your kid needs a father who can inspire him/her and show them how great life can be. You've got to be more than an EFL drone to do that, and you SHOULD do that someone that isn't Korea. |
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shifty
Joined: 21 Jun 2004
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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 9:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Draz wrote: |
| The small glimpses I get of a better world seem like a dream. It's hard to believe in them. |
But the small glimpses can tide you along until you hit a jackpot one. You're doing well insofar that you are staying alert for them. You can only do your best and I think your common sense is serving you well.
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| Some places just make it hard to have a happy life. |
I agree, these places tend to foster a mere existence.
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| That said, I definitely would have made more of an effort to look on the bright side and make the best of a lousy situation if I didn't have the option of leaving. |
Why should you have to rouse so unduly a survival mechanism?
Again, you are logically sifting through your lot and coming to the correct conclusions. Congratulate yourself on doing four years, not bad going and better than many another man could do. I'm sure you've saved up a bundle. Mission accomplished! |
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Draz

Joined: 27 Jun 2007 Location: Land of Morning Clam
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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 10:32 pm Post subject: |
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| The small glimpses I get of a better world seem like a dream. It's hard to believe in them. |
But the small glimpses can tide you along until you hit a jackpot one. You're doing well insofar that you are staying alert for them. You can only do your best and I think your common sense is serving you well. |
There are some international students around at my job this year. They are SO different. Most of them aren't even Western, they come from other Asian countries. They're just more open or something. Not so closed off.
I only get to interact with a handful of them. Most of the people I deal with are still Korean, so it's the exchange students who seem different. My suspicion though is that they are actually just normal people, and it's Korea that is weird. |
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strange_brew
Joined: 12 Oct 2008
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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 10:43 pm Post subject: |
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I'll add to my post about a more interesting and stimulating job helping that - not being the only foriegner at work is good too.
I had been the only wayg at work since 2006 and it grinds you down. You become used toyour own company all day too much.
Having someone at work you can talk to and not have to spell everything out to is a big plus. |
This. It gets rough having basic conversations day in and day out, especially if you aren't in an area with a large amount of people you want to hang out with every day. I have one co-teacher who I love talking with, because most of the day, I just sit doing my classes, reading, making lessons, etc. Too bad she's too busy to chat most of the time and is in a different office. And I'll admit, it's my fault for not knowing the local language, but at the same time, I have no long term plans to stay long enough to learn it that fluently. |
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Jane

Joined: 01 Feb 2003
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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 10:48 pm Post subject: |
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You are feeling an internal conflict inside because there is a disagreement about where you are now, and where you want to be.
This doesn't mean the baby has brought on what sounds to be a growing depression; it's your outlook that has changed, not the world around you so much.
So you should look at ways that will adjust your outlook on life. That could be by undertaking a new hobby or some education.
I've also gone through periods of distress in the 10 years I've been in Korea and I've remedied the situation by starting a new project or doing something new. It's true we don't get basic needs met in Korea like feeling part of a group or society, that is, making small talk with the check-out lady or nodding when passing someone on the street. And it's tough! It's hard to substitute this need, and I recommend making it a point to go home every 6 months or so, if you can.
Since you have a new baby, you should put a post on the Internet looking for other new dads whom you can meet up with, etc.
Good luck |
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ThingsComeAround

Joined: 07 Nov 2008
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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 11:28 pm Post subject: |
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I've also lost interest
Lazy bickering backstabbing co-teachers, no OT, and a crappy "office" (no homeroom) all contributed to my desire to pack up and move to America. If only I had made this decision 1 year ago...
However, I do dream. Teaching is interesting, and giving students that spark of interest or a smile when they get the correct answer keeps me going these days. |
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alice_w
Joined: 10 Aug 2011
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Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 2:28 am Post subject: |
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Mother of two here ... foreigner married to a foreigner. We've left Korea TONS of times, but are now back for our SEVENTH year. No complaints about our jobs, but I suffer lethargy too, although I do so every winter. I hibernate!
I gave up the bar scene and the like for several years, but I'm a social creature so have been making an effort to return to it of late. If I was back home I'd get my social fix from playdates or mothers' groups, but they are such hardwork here! Too far, for English speaking ones; too many language obstacles for local ones. Instead, I'm making an effort to hit the bars once a week. I drive, so don't drink much (hangovers and kids do NOT mix), and I'm kind of friendless these days, as most of my friends have moved on, but at least I get to see and talk to other adults.
I understand what you're going through, but say give yourself a kick up the bum. You're wife's just had a baby, don't be adding to stress to her life. Make an effort to at least look happy! Get out there and try and enjoy yourself more! |
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Who's Your Daddy?
Joined: 30 May 2010 Location: Victoria, Canada.
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Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 4:22 am Post subject: |
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You're on a F visa, so try to get some privates teaching adults. More stimulating. Even just 3 hours a week.
Get outside, take a walk, try to get to some nature.
Get exercise, take Vitamin D, get enough sleep, some sex, drink a beer sometimes, order a pizza, download some funny movies. |
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J Rock

Joined: 17 Jan 2009 Location: The center of the Earth, Suji
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Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 4:24 am Post subject: |
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Thanks everyone for your opinions I think I need to change up my routine and do something different. For those of you that said it could be my mindless job I think you might be right. I've been at the same hagwon for just about 5 years now. The good thing is nobody bothers me and pretty much lets me do whatever I want. I could sit dead silent in each of my classrooms everyday and nobody would care. The only reason managment leaves me alone is because I've been there so long and don't cause any trouble, and have established a good relationship with my students and the parents. But it is definetly mindless and I need to change it up.
Maybe teaching isn't my thing, I did go to school for finance and this was only supposed to be temporary. 5 years later with a family doesn't seem very temporary to me. |
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lithium

Joined: 18 Jun 2008
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Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 7:05 am Post subject: |
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| whenever I'm lucky enough to leave this country I always feel as if I'm stepping back into the real world. |
This is something my friends and I have said for years to each other, literally word for word.
But it's only because of the novelty factor. After a few months fo getting settled, the same feelings of boredom and frustration kick in, which has little to do with the country but what you're doing with your life.
OP - where do you teach? I had become a ground down alcy through working the tape recorder ps gigs and the monkey gig at the hakwan mills and I had literally become a shadow, no energy or motivation inside and merely going through the motions for the displosable income which I could only enjoy by gambling or drinking it all away....
But my new job is a lot more challenging and rewarding, teaching returnees and even a Russian kid and a Japanese kid at an school with and international school curriculum and longer classes. It's a lot more work but que surprise - that has woken me up and the fact that I have each class for between 2 - 3 hrs (with breaks) and am actually using REAL MATERIALS and doing REAL TEACHING and a wide host of activities and learnig methods just like as if I were their home country ele teacher with them all day long, has pulled me right out of my rut and I feel like a smart, intelligent and useful human being again and don't even mind taking work home for no o/t pay.Maybe it's not the country per se, but your cushy yet unstimulating job.
Humans need to be stimulated in the areas they have aptitudes for and feel they are being well uitilised or they start to decay.....
you could be on a beach in Acapulco and after a few months of a grinding job, you'd feel exactly the same imo.... |
The longest sentence....evah! Wait...what? |
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skeeterses
Joined: 25 Oct 2007
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Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 12:51 pm Post subject: |
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My advise to the OP:
Just stay where you are and continue teaching at an ESL hagwon, even if its a terribly boring job. Back in America, the bottom has fallen out for unskilled workers, and if you've been in Korea for over 5 years, your college diploma won't be of much use back in America. |
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liveinkorea316
Joined: 20 Aug 2010 Location: South Korea
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Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 1:43 pm Post subject: |
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OP, there are no challenges in your life. That is why you are bored.
You need to set yourself goals and challenges and soon you will be envigorated again.
You are married, you put on weight, you have working in the same hagwon for 5 years... relationship, body, career - what are your current challenges or goals?
There are sports teams and leagues in Korea for expats if you look.
You could study a Masters degree.
Get a hobby.
Make new friends.
Lose some weight by going to the gym.
Get a job at a Korean finance company. THEN your wife will be able to boast about you to her friends.
When was the last holiday you and your wife went on? Himalayas? Malaysia? Spain? ...
Challenge yourself. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008 Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 4:48 am Post subject: |
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| liveinkorea316 wrote: |
OP, there are no challenges in your life. That is why you are bored.
You need to set yourself goals and challenges and soon you will be envigorated again.
You are married, you put on weight, you have working in the same hagwon for 5 years... relationship, body, career - what are your current challenges or goals?
There are sports teams and leagues in Korea for expats if you look.
You could study a Masters degree.
Get a hobby.
Make new friends.
Lose some weight by going to the gym.
Get a job at a Korean finance company. THEN your wife will be able to boast about you to her friends.
When was the last holiday you and your wife went on? Himalayas? Malaysia? Spain? ...
Challenge yourself. |
Great advice but perhaps the Himalayas would not be the best destination for a vacation with a 6 month old
All joking aside a vacation can do you guys a world of good and traveling with a baby is certainly possible it just requires planning.
Now in general terms and based on one who worked in Korea for 11 years agot married and had his first child there...
Work can get boring if you let it become boring. That happens when you fall prey to routine and limit yourself to it as opposed to go beyond it.
The solution is to get re-involved in your work, challenge yourself to make changes and improvements in your classes, study up on pedagogy and classroom management. If you truly feel you have reached the end of your interest in this job...look for another one!
If that is in another field that suits you better than teaching, go for it, the only one stopping you here is you!
Get active personally, you NEED to exercise as that is the best way to get out of any funk. Extra weight (if you put some on) will mean you are more tired for example.
Take an online class and improve yourself.
Get active on the family front: go on family visits with your wife and child. Take weekend trips in Korea, take the baby with you and just go out to the local restaurant you like...in Korea thats great as people are welcoming of babies!
Good luck. |
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Kimchifart
Joined: 15 Sep 2010
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Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 3:17 am Post subject: |
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I disagree with the posters who say outright that it's the kid's arrival that has precipitated all this.
The OP's wife, who is no doubt bearing the brunt of the baby's needs, knows that his new-found lethargy is not natural or normal. Thus her ongoing concern. She probably wishes that he would drop the game/movies and go out with the guys or something.
A young man's zest can cope with the boundless needs of a young family.
A young man becomes energised by these events, everything else being equal.
I think the OP needs to recover his morale by visualising some attractive long term idea. |
You'll be telling him to read The Secret next. |
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shifty
Joined: 21 Jun 2004
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Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 5:43 am Post subject: |
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I disagree with the posters who say outright that it's the kid's arrival that has precipitated all this.
The OP's wife, who is no doubt bearing the brunt of the baby's needs, knows that his new-found lethargy is not natural or normal. Thus her ongoing concern. She probably wishes that he would drop the game/movies and go out with the guys or something.
A young man's zest can cope with the boundless needs of a young family.
A young man becomes energised by these events, everything else being equal.
I think the OP needs to recover his morale by visualising some attractive long term idea. |
You'll be telling him to read The Secret next. |
No, haven't in fact read that one. But you obviously have.
Nothing wrong with that....sounds like you need all the help you can get. |
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