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Best Countries to Teach English In?
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daveeslcafe888



Joined: 09 Apr 2011

PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 1:42 am    Post subject: Best Countries to Teach English In? Reply with quote

Hi Guys,

I just wanted to get some feedback from all of your experience as to what the best country to teach English was.

Feel free to give me reasons why.

(i.e. I think Korea is great because you can save a decent amount of money, there is wireless internet everywhere, and they treat American's pretty well).

What do you guys think?
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 2:28 am    Post subject: Re: Best Countries to Teach English In? Reply with quote

daveeslcafe888 wrote:
Hi Guys,

I just wanted to get some feedback from all of your experience as to what the best country to teach English was.

Feel free to give me reasons why.

(i.e. I think Korea is great because you can save a decent amount of money, there is wireless internet everywhere, and they treat American's pretty well).

What do you guys think?


Great is a very subjective term.

Korea is OK. The money is decent, the start-up costs are minimal and the savings potential is not bad.

I like the weather in Thailand. The money can be decent for people with qualifications and/or experience. The holidays are pretty decent too (I get about 16 weeks per year (paid) in a K-12 school).

For those with QTS you can do very well in Hong Kong and Taiwan ($40k per year + benefits).

The money is pretty good in the middle east but the politics can be murder on Americans.

China has lots to offer and in spite of being the "Wild West" of ESL there are lots of opportunities to make money and have a great experience too.

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eamo



Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.

PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 2:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You have the patience of a saint Ttom.........I'd be telling this guy to either get on a plane to Korea already, or stop bothering the GE forum like a 5 year old with a thousand 'why' questions.
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daveeslcafe888



Joined: 09 Apr 2011

PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 3:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am in Korea right now.

My six-month contracted ended, and I'm considering next moves.

1. I'd like to get some certification (but not sure which is the best plan...most likely CELTA).

2. I'm not sure whether to continue this line of work or starting over in another part of the world doing something else.
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Malislamusrex



Joined: 01 Feb 2010

PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 4:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Korea from newb to MA 1-4 years + qualifications.... then the Middle East.

It's where the money is, God bless that black gold.
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The Floating World



Joined: 01 Oct 2011
Location: Here

PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 5:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CELTA not worth it for jobs in Asia. Might be okay in ME but prob not get you jobs anyone with a ba only couldn't get. DELTA, would be better.

Celta good for Europe.
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kiknkorea



Joined: 16 May 2008

PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 6:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Floating World wrote:
CELTA not worth it for jobs in Asia. Might be okay in ME but prob not get you jobs anyone with a ba only couldn't get. DELTA, would be better.

Celta good for Europe.

It might be wise to master the TOEIC before going for those. Smile
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canoe_jesuit



Joined: 22 Nov 2008
Location: seoul

PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 10:32 pm    Post subject: korea Reply with quote

korea is a good country to make money but the natives are hostile. It's a closed society that has been forced to learn english. Do the math on the bad vibes which result from this. Cause the money is decent, money seekers come here to get the deals. I consider this bad. I am working a university with good terms and the pirates have taken over here. I moved to a lower paying uni job closer to seoul and the pirates aren't anywhere to be seen. Mostly happier teachers who just want to focus on teaching.

I've heard the middle east, with its substantially higher pay, attracts the real Jack Sparrows of money makers. Real snake pit of foreigners teaching there (from what i heard from real teachers who taught in Saudi)

My point is that I recommend china. Pay has risen steadily there. They give you a real family sized apartment there. In korea, half the country live in 1 room studios with kitchenettes in the corner consisting of a camping burner and a sink. Cause the pay is lower in china, the pirates go elsewhere. Most of the english teachers i've met, who teach in china, really wanted to experience china and take the lower salary for the better opp. Furthermore, china has amazing local travel spots (unlike korea which doesn't), amazing food and much more.

Learn the landscape of ESL jobs in china and you can match your korean salary, while living much cheaper.

Japan sucks cause they treat an hour of teaching the same as an hour of regular work. SO i see many jobs in japan which reuquire 30 - 40 hours of teaching
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Yaya



Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 11:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How about any place where you feel comfortable and happy in?
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Squire



Joined: 26 Sep 2010
Location: Jeollanam-do

PostPosted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 7:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think Korea is a good place to start. I don't think it would be a bad idea to do a year here to build some experience
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sirius black



Joined: 04 Jun 2010

PostPosted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 11:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OP, you'd need to be more specific by 'great'. Working environment? Pay? Western friendly culture? Partying/dating? etc.

You're not going to find all of them in the same country or 90% of us would be there. What is the most important thing to you?
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daveeslcafe888



Joined: 09 Apr 2011

PostPosted: Sat Dec 03, 2011 11:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To me, the most important thing is

1. Getting transferable skills (i.e. so I won't be one of the people who returned home with no job skills)

2. Paying enough to live on

I know Korea pays well. However, I always want to get some skills, and maybe move to a new location, for a new experience.
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smee18



Joined: 24 Mar 2009
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 9:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ttompatz:

"the middle East can be murder on Americans" ... ouch! Was thinking of trying Saudi after Korea with my American wife (I'm Australian) ... am I insane?

My wife and I both love Malaysia, and I know of some public school opportunities that look interesting. With respect to Thailand, can you turn up as a tourist and look for work, or do you need to apply for jobs out of country?

How about central and south America? Or eastern Europe?
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 10:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

smee18 wrote:
Ttompatz:

"the middle East can be murder on Americans" ... ouch! Was thinking of trying Saudi after Korea with my American wife (I'm Australian) ... am I insane?

My wife and I both love Malaysia, and I know of some public school opportunities that look interesting. With respect to Thailand, can you turn up as a tourist and look for work, or do you need to apply for jobs out of country?

How about central and south America? Or eastern Europe?


Personally, I think that anyone would be a fool to work in the ME unless you specifically are going for/need the money. I don't need the money that badly.

The work environment is OK but the living environment is less than friendly. There IS a reason they pay the big bucks and it is not just because they can.

With respect to Thailand, yes, you can just show up on a tourist visa (note that is a visa and not just the 30 day entry stamp), find work and convert your visa to a non-b and get a work permit. If you only have a 30-day stamp you will need to make a visa run (you need 21 days remaining on your entry to be allowed to convert your visa class).

Entry level jobs (35k baht) are easy to come by. It will take some work to find a good position (45-60k) but they are out there.

I have no current experience in South America or Eastern Europe so I will refrain from commenting on them other than to say that some places are easy to find work in and some not so much. Also, it has been said that wages are between low and subsistence level until you get established.

It is easier in Mexico.

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No_hite_pls



Joined: 05 Mar 2007
Location: Don't hate me because I'm right

PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 10:40 pm    Post subject: Re: korea Reply with quote

canoe_jesuit wrote:
Real snake pit of foreigners teaching there (from what i heard from real teachers who taught in Saudi)


Most of the western teachers in middle east are like 300 pounds because there is nothing to do there besides eating and shopping. It's a real sand pit over there. At least it is in the countries that pay well.
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