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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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Bull hockey!!! Since many American Universities are investing in recruiting students in China. Duke University is opening a branch in Shanghai. That would seem to mean they are seeking Asian students.
As another poster pointed out many elite schools look at other things besides test scores and grades. I think this article is directed at Harvard and Yale both of which often look at "intangibles" in the admission process.
Being a "grind" does not guarantee admission to some schools. |
You do realize that by stereotyping Asian-Americans as "grinds" that does reinforce the notion that Asians are probably facing discrimination from schools, right? |
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cj1976
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 4:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
| I'm curious - are those little boxes for your ethnicity optional? |
They are usally optional in the UK. Sometimes I tick the box for 'mixed' justo keep them guessing, lol. |
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nukeday
Joined: 13 May 2010
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| Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 5:07 pm Post subject: |
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When it happens to Asians, it's discrimination.
When it happens to Caucasians, it's affirmative action. |
Whites benefit from legacy policies, athletic recruitment in "useless" sports that only whites play, and connections (which is mainly limited to rich whites).
You're right if you're talking about poor whites, though. Still, Asian-Americans have to score higher than BOTH blacks and whites in order to be considered equal.
My point is that whites aren't the ones that are being discriminated against the most. |
The point is that if asians required 1400 and white 1550, there's wouldn't be much of an issue as it would be "affirmative action". When the discrimination is against a minority there is an issue, but against the majority is pretty much politically correct.
Where I did my Mechanical Engineering degree there were about half the scholarships attributed to girls... while they made up about 8% of students. All of them received scholarships to promote women in engineering. Meanwhile male nursing students were a far cry from getting a scholarship even if the situation was pretty much the opposite.
Anyways, I don't like sex/race-based affirmative actions for college admission and scholarship. |
-Exactly. In the 60s/70s, white students were over-represented in universities. Now, Asians are (grossly) over-represented in elite schools.
They're not trying to get more white students into the UCs or Ivies, they're trying to get more African Americans and Latinos.
It's affirmative action... Asians are a minority, but they're not considered a particularly oppressed one. They're favoring poorer minorities. You can disagree with this if you like, but that's the general consensus in America. It's a big reason why a lot of Filipinos I knew were always saying "I'm not Asian, I'm a Pacific Islander" - they didn't want to be lumped together with the wealthier Korean/Japanese/Chinese American minority.
Meanwhile, I'm not white.. I'm 1/16th Cherokee! |
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zdrav
Joined: 08 Dec 2010
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| People who slam affirmative action should be willing to accept then that many of the nation's top colleges will turn out like Berkeley and have an Asian student body of around 40%. And if you are against affirmative action, you should also be against legacy preferences and any special treatment for well-connected children of donors and powerful people. |
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nukeday
Joined: 13 May 2010
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| Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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And if you're for affirmative action, you should realize it might not always work out in your favor.
Don't call it discrimination when it happens to you. |
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Moldy Rutabaga
Joined: 01 Jul 2003
Location: Ansan, Korea
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| Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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| "The whole Tiger Mom stereotype is grounded in truth," says Tao Tao Holmes, a Yale sophomore with a Chinese-born mother and white American father. Does Holmes think children of American parents are generally spoiled and lazy by comparison? "That's essentially what I'm trying to say." |
Charming person. How can you not feel sympathy for someone with a giant sense of entitlement who spits on the culture of the country which offers her a place in one of its top universities? |
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zdrav
Joined: 08 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 12:35 am Post subject: |
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| nukeday wrote: |
And if you're for affirmative action, you should realize it might not always work out in your favor.
Don't call it discrimination when it happens to you. |
If you're against affirmative action, are you prepared to accept Asian-American students making up 40% at Harvard, Brown, Duke, etc? |
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rchristo10
Joined: 14 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 12:46 am Post subject: |
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Question: Aren't colleges for educating yourself?
Think about that the next time you hear people throwing about SAT scores as a measure of ability rather than APTITUDE.
NO IT AIN'T RACIAL DISCRIMINATION. IT'S CALLED CHOICE, WHICH HAPPENS TO BE A DIFFERENT TYPE OF DISCRIMINATION.
Just because a person doesn't fall into the fortunate few does not mean that there's a conspiracy at work.
If you look hard enough you'd notice little patterns in any and everything (ants, bees, schools of fish).
For one, California schools were full of Asians/ Asian-Americans even before dropping affirmative action. Why? Proximity.
Ever notice that University of Hawaii has a pretty high Asian matriculation?
And two, if you do a correlative analysis between rank in high school and SAT scores, you'd find that the SAT scores have a great deal to do with the school; acceptance to top notch schools has to do with the correlation between SAT scores and rank in high school. |
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Privateer
Joined: 31 Aug 2005
Location: Easy Street.
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 2:26 am Post subject: |
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Asian Americans may be suffering from discrimination in American colleges (although one study alone seems insufficient evidence), but my experience of interviewing Koreans who wish to study abroad suggests that only a small percentage of Korean overseas students have the English skills to write essays and reports, understand lectures and participate in discussions. And there are reports that indicate Asian overseas students at American universities are held to *lower* standards than others in order to get them through their courses.
But who cares when they're paying customers, right? |
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zdrav
Joined: 08 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 2:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Privateer wrote: |
Asian Americans may be suffering from discrimination in American colleges (although one study alone seems insufficient evidence), but my experience of interviewing Koreans who wish to study abroad suggests that only a small percentage of Korean overseas students have the English skills to write essays and reports, understand lectures and participate in discussions. And there are reports that indicate Asian overseas students at American universities are held to *lower* standards than others in order to get them through their courses.
But who cares when they're paying customers, right? |
You do realize there's a huge difference between Asian-Americans and Korean international students, right?
International students often have to pay full-ride since they don't qualify for federal grants and such. I wouldn't be surprised if some schools were unscrupulously letting in under-qualified (at least in terms of English) international students in order to make even more money, but that's not the issue at hand here. |
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ThingsComeAround
Joined: 07 Nov 2008
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I think its more complicated than most of what was mentioned.
Lets remember that the "Good Old Days" weren't that long ago. The time of the elite unis being 90% white was probably a generation or two before us.
This is my opinion, but it could tie into unis receiving alumni donations from past graduates. Since most of these alum are likely to be wealthy and white, they can dictate admissions policy privately.
Asian students are often pushed to attend the famous elite unis, yet when they graduate, what do they do with their success/wealth? |
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 12:26 am Post subject: |
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Asian students are often pushed to attend the famous elite unis, yet when they graduate, what do they do with their success/wealth? |
the "successful Asians" are just beginning to penetrate into the upper echelons of society. I'd say within the next 10-20 years you will really see more Asians in power in the US (political, company execs, etc...). |
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DIsbell
Joined: 15 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 3:43 am Post subject: |
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Asian students are often pushed to attend the famous elite unis, yet when they graduate, what do they do with their success/wealth? |
This is a good segue into an area where Asian-Americans would benefit from AA: corporate promotions/hiring. There's still a glass ceiling for Asians in a lot of powerful industries (IT, engineering, biomedical, law, etc). There are lots of Asian engineers, maybe some small team leaders, but the executive boards and law partners and such remain quite the old boy clubs. |
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zdrav
Joined: 08 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 10:36 pm Post subject: |
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Asian students are often pushed to attend the famous elite unis, yet when they graduate, what do they do with their success/wealth? |
This is a good segue into an area where Asian-Americans would benefit from AA: corporate promotions/hiring. There's still a glass ceiling for Asians in a lot of powerful industries (IT, engineering, biomedical, law, etc). There are lots of Asian engineers, maybe some small team leaders, but the executive boards and law partners and such remain quite the old boy clubs. |
Good point.
I think this is why most Asian-Americans tend to support affirmative action (though I may be mistaken about this). Save for the yearly crop of disappointed Asian-American students who rail against AA because they didn't get into an Ivy League school, most Asian-Americans feel that in most parts of American life, discrimination is against anyone who is not a white male is still strong. Therefore, AA should be preserved.
I believe there are quite a lot of studies out there that Asian-Americans, despite more-than-adequate credentials, are extremely underrepresented in positions of power. Usually, it's due to similar BS reasons that college admissions cite for ignoring qualified Asian candidates. |
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ThingsComeAround
Joined: 07 Nov 2008
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| Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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Good point.
I think this is why most Asian-Americans tend to support affirmative action (though I may be mistaken about this). Save for the yearly crop of disappointed Asian-American students who rail against AA because they didn't get into an Ivy League school, most Asian-Americans feel that in most parts of American life, discrimination is against anyone who is not a white male is still strong. Therefore, AA should be preserved.
I believe there are quite a lot of studies out there that Asian-Americans, despite more-than-adequate credentials, are extremely underrepresented in positions of power. Usually, it's due to similar BS reasons that college admissions cite for ignoring qualified Asian candidates. |
I agree with you, however most American Asians I know from home oppose AA. They support Republicans because they believe the GOP will support them 
They don't 'get it'.
The opinion is that they won't need it anymore now that a few of their sons & daughters have graduated from Ivies and hold "prestigious" jobs. It can be reversed against their vision of academic dominance. I don't like AA however there is the bigger problem of bigotry that is very real and rarely public. |
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