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thebektionary
Joined: 11 May 2011
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Atlanta is a 15 hour drive from here and a 300 dollar flight. There's no way I'm going there.
We have a consulate in Miami but you need it done at an Embassy. For the visa interview last time I just flew to D.C. cause it was cheaper and I had someone to stay with as opposed to Atlanta where I know no one. |
In a large vast majority of cases now the interview is waived in your home country for 1st time applicants.
f you have had a previous E2 and have NOT had an immigration violation you do NOT need a consular interview. You can do it by mail (7-day turnaround).
There is only 1 embassy, and that is the one in DC. The rest are ALL consulates.
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There is a consulate in Miami but they don't take visa interviews. I don't think you even have to do visa interviews anymore. My friend had never had an E2 before and she didn't do it. I thought the FBI check went in place of the interview.
This board is so damn hostile. Is teaching English in Korea really that serious of a topic? |
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Feloria
Joined: 02 Sep 2006
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 1:53 am Post subject: |
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You're right, there can be a lot of negativity on this board-- but there are some good folks out there, too.
I went through all this BS with the CBC and apostille crap over the summer.
The waiting around and not being able to move the process along caused so much stress for me, I asked myself "why in the hell am I putting myself through all this?"
Unfortunately, the US economy is the reason.
Luckily though, I now have a decent job at a University--so I guess all the crap was worth it.
I do really feel for everyone still going through the process, though.
Good Luck!!! |
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wjf1
Joined: 14 Apr 2010
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 5:38 am Post subject: |
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| We definitely have it much easier in the UK; my criminal record check took two weeks. On balance though we don't get pension money back. |
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Gorf
Joined: 25 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 8:49 am Post subject: |
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| I'm surprised nobody has mentioned that this future English teacher can't spell "principal". |
honestly, i didn't even notice that i did that, and i'm particular about grammar and spelling errors. i know the difference between "principal" and "principle". haven't you ever made a dumb mistake before without realizing it? |
But apparently hitting the shift key is more work than you're willing to put in. |
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bentobento
Joined: 21 Jan 2011
Location: US of A (for now)
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 12:26 pm Post subject: |
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Not sure about other people, but the American government is one of the reasons I want to go work over in South Korea for a while. Those in control of our government have no idea how to fix things and work efficiently. Most of the government workers keep their jobs no matter how bad at them they are. There's no incentive to work hard and be productive.
Anyway, I'm pretty annoyed as well. It's been a good 2 months since I sent my request and my recruiter keeps asking if it has come. Stupid. |
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superjo2092
Joined: 16 Jan 2009
Location: Gwangju, S. Korea (Jeollanam-do)
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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Not sure about other people, but the American government is one of the reasons I want to go work over in South Korea for a while. Those in control of our government have no idea how to fix things and work efficiently. Most of the government workers keep their jobs no matter how bad at them they are. There's no incentive to work hard and be productive.
Anyway, I'm pretty annoyed as well. It's been a good 2 months since I sent my request and my recruiter keeps asking if it has come. Stupid. |
Wow...sorry buddy. I'm gonna assume that you haven't worked in S. Korea before.
I got my FBI check and all that jazz while I was in Korea last year. It has been made known over a year ago that Americans need this check. Westerners currently living in Korea should know that it is needed. Those wishing to come over should seriously do a bit of research before moving halfway across the world. It's not like it takes an entire year to process the FBI check. It takes a max of 3 months. Sorry, but some people should take a little responsibility and get what they need done and not blame the entire "American government".
Agreed, the DOJ isn't staffed well enough yet to handle the gobs and gobs of checks demanded. It's not that they are lazy or inefficient, just not yet accustomed to how much labor is needed to process so many checks.
This process will eventually get easier. Stop blaming and just fess up that you should've known about this process. It's been on message boards, korean immigration sites, job ads. |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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Isn't the national security state a wonderful thing?
The main reason this is a problem is that getting a Federal-level background check used to be a rare thing, hardly ever necessary. The DOJ facility in West Virginia was planned and staffed on the assumption that relatively few people would request checks on a regular basis.
NOW, they are totally swamped by request numbers, and when they go to Congress and ask for funding to hire more employees or add equipment to the processing system, what do you think the idiot Tea Party Congressmen will say? If they ask to change the law to alter the processing mechanism, how easy do you think that is?
They are doing the best they can with a hugely flawed system. They aren't incompetent or lazy. It needs to be fixed but it's no one's priority in the current climate. Blame the ROK government at least as much for INSISTING on FBI checks when there's no evidence that it would make any difference in locating candidates with criminal records. Like so much else here it's only about image ['the FBI is the BEST check!' Whatever that means...] You could easily have your CBC in time if you were allowed to use a state-level check. |
Flooded because of Korea making all these requests for them in the first place? Maybe they ought to go to Korea for funding since it's Korea's doing. I would say the same thing for us Canadians. The RCMP can take 6 to 8 months to complete those damn fingerprint requests. It's so backed up. Thanks Korea!! Maybe you ought to fund some of these agencies so we can get things done more promptly. |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 6:03 pm Post subject: |
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Not sure about other people, but the American government is one of the reasons I want to go work over in South Korea for a while. Those in control of our government have no idea how to fix things and work efficiently. Most of the government workers keep their jobs no matter how bad at them they are. There's no incentive to work hard and be productive.
Anyway, I'm pretty annoyed as well. It's been a good 2 months since I sent my request and my recruiter keeps asking if it has come. Stupid. |
Really? It's better here? Me thinks people keep their jobs here in government no matter what. They keep getting promotions and earning "points" no matter what they do, right or wrong. All they have to do is show up, suck up a little to their ajossi boss, and put in the time. Ability only factors into it a little. |
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Modernist
Joined: 23 Mar 2011
Location: The 90s
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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but the American government is one of the reasons I want to go work over in South Korea for a while. Those in control of our government have no idea how to fix things and work efficiently. Most of the government workers keep their jobs no matter how bad at them they are. There's no incentive to work hard and be productive.
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Something this ignorant could only have been written by someone who a) has never worked in government, and b) has never been to Korea and seen ITS government in [in]action.
I suppose you're one of those people who thinks public school teachers in the US are lazy and incompetent and 'keep their jobs no matter how bad at them they are'? Yeah, that's it! It's those damn unions! After all, 'there's no incentive to work hard and be productive'! If only schools and governments were run more like businesses--large banks, say! Look at all the good they've done for our economies with their profit- and market-based incentives for financial innovation!
Actually, there are quite a lot of incentives precisely designed to improve efficiency and deliver better outcomes, at every level of government. But I wouldn't expect you to inconvenience your ideology for the sake of facts or anything. If you ever get here I look forward to hearing about your admiration of the transparent, consistent, rules-based system that we deal with every day in Korea  |
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bentobento
Joined: 21 Jan 2011
Location: US of A (for now)
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| Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 11:16 pm Post subject: |
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I don't want to hijack this poor girl's thread, but I just want to make this clear:
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| Wow...sorry buddy. I'm gonna assume that you haven't worked in S. Korea before. |
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Sorry, but some people should take a little responsibility and get what they need done and not blame the entire "American government".
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No. I haven't lived there, clearly.
I've been through the FBI process before (this is my 3rd time), and yes, I agree she should have started earlier.
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| Really? It's better here? Me thinks people keep their jobs here in government no matter what. They keep getting promotions and earning "points" no matter what they do, right or wrong. All they have to do is show up, suck up a little to their ajossi boss, and put in the time. Ability only factors into it a little. |
I'm sorry, did I even say that Korea's government was better? No. I was saying the American government is ONE small factor in my wanting to go overseas.
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Something this ignorant could only have been written by someone who a) has never worked in government, and b) has never been to Korea and seen ITS government in [in]action.
I suppose you're one of those people who thinks public school teachers in the US are lazy and incompetent and 'keep their jobs no matter how bad at them they are'? Yeah, that's it! It's those damn unions! After all, 'there's no incentive to work hard and be productive'! If only schools and governments were run more like businesses--large banks, say! Look at all the good they've done for our economies with their profit- and market-based incentives for financial innovation!
Actually, there are quite a lot of incentives precisely designed to improve efficiency and deliver better outcomes, at every level of government. But I wouldn't expect you to inconvenience your ideology for the sake of facts or anything. If you ever get here I look forward to hearing about your admiration of the transparent, consistent, rules-based system that we deal with every day in Korea |
Yeah, I haven't worked in government. I have no desire to either. I don't think that PS teachers don't work hard, but I do think unions can cause issues in the education system. Every teacher is different. I've had my share of lazy teachers whom I learned nothing from and amazing, helpful ones. I just wish those lazy professors I had would have lost their jobs or something, but instead they stayed in for the next year of students to suffer. Oh, and you do realize government regulation of businesses is a contributing factor to things such as fee increases at banks, right? It's not necessarily because they are "greedy." For example, BOA's debit card fee (which they pulled) was to make up for lost revenue due to a law that was passed. Why does it seem that people think it's so wrong for others to make lots of money? Money is a huge factor in many people's decision to come to Korea, and if you say otherwise you're lying. So are you really any different? Those people who complain about rich people can also become rich themselves, and if they did, would their opinions change?
And again, for God's sake, I NEVER said Korea's system is BETTER. I know it's flawed. I, like many all over the world, look at teaching overseas not only as an experience to live in a different culture but as a chance to meet personal goals and save MONEY.
Anyway, I now understand why people say Dave's is so negative. I'm tired of seeing people jump down someone's throat without really understanding where they're coming from or their full beliefs. I don't come here to be chewed out for my opinions. I will leave it at that. |
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AlastairKirby
Joined: 29 Aug 2011
Location: UK
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| Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 1:59 am Post subject: |
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| I'm surprised nobody has mentioned that this future English teacher can't spell "principal". |
honestly, i didn't even notice that i did that, and i'm particular about grammar and spelling errors. i know the difference between "principal" and "principle". haven't you ever made a dumb mistake before without realizing it? |
But apparently hitting the shift key is more work than you're willing to put in. |
Congratulations! You won the internet! |
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pedrotaves
Joined: 02 Mar 2011
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| Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 2:28 am Post subject: |
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| Something this ignorant could only have been written by someone who a) has never worked in government, and b) has never been to Korea and seen ITS government in [in]action. |
yeah...nothing like people roundly criticizing something on principal without understanding what they're criticizing. please have an idea of what background checks and security clearance checks consist of before accusing those performing them of being lazy.
i also appreciate the people comparing the efficiency of the U.S. against other nations like australia and the u.k. here's a thought--maybe the FBI check takes a little bit longer because they have to search through all 50 states. now, if the U.S. was as "big brother" as most idiot weigooks believe, then they would be able to get that info in a jiff, right? i mean, they do have a giant database of everyone's personal history in a big computer with every citizen's fingerprints cataloged from birth. |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 2:56 am Post subject: |
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yeah...nothing like people roundly criticizing something on principal without understanding what they're criticizing. please have an idea of what background checks and security clearance checks consist of before accusing those performing them of being lazy.
i also appreciate the people comparing the efficiency of the U.S. against other nations like australia and the u.k. here's a thought--maybe the FBI check takes a little bit longer because they have to search through all 50 states. now, if the U.S. was as "big brother" as most idiot weigooks believe, then they would be able to get that info in a jiff, right? i mean, they do have a giant database of everyone's personal history in a big computer with every citizen's fingerprints cataloged from birth. |
Perhaps if they were efficient enough to have 1 database instead of 51...
and were consistent in how people are treated under the law instead of stupidity like pissing on a phone pole getting you a mischief charge in one state and registered sex offender status in another.....
The system is broken, fragmented and in disarray. The federal government is so badly muddled and fractured that states are regularly usurping its power and jurisdiction....
Good time to be an expat. Things aren't going to get any better back in the states any time soon.
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pedrotaves
Joined: 02 Mar 2011
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the issues you bring up are NOT those that deal with the federal government. instead, they are direct consequences of state government's having separate sovereignty over their own people. this is what happens when you live in a federation. different states have different rules, rights, and punishments. if you have a fundamental disagreement with that, then you most likely don't like western democracy at its core (a core which SK's government is similarly built upon).
if you want to eliminate the disparities in what we define certain offenses as, you would be endorsing a completely centralized national government. but again, the people that rail against the cbc's (i.e. people that hate crime definition differences) are likely the first to shout down anyone that wants to give the national government any more power.
btw if you're going to complain about different places having different rules, you might as well live in antarctica. every nation has different principalities and municipalities that govern in their own way. "this city has higher property taxes than another one? this system is broken, fragmented, and in disarray! i'm getting the hell out!" |
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thebektionary
Joined: 11 May 2011
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| Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2011 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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| AlastairKirby wrote: |
| Gorf wrote: |
| thebektionary wrote: |
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| I'm surprised nobody has mentioned that this future English teacher can't spell "principal". |
honestly, i didn't even notice that i did that, and i'm particular about grammar and spelling errors. i know the difference between "principal" and "principle". haven't you ever made a dumb mistake before without realizing it? |
But apparently hitting the shift key is more work than you're willing to put in. |
Congratulations! You won the internet! |
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