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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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 Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 2:31 pm Post subject: |
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| The Floating World wrote: |
Indeed. Imbicility as previously stated.
Kuros, kuros.
'Ooh someone is saying the US isn't perfect, I'm going into passive agressive posting mode!'
Murder capital of the devloped world, plain and simple.
Remove your emotionality and just see the facts for what they are. You will become a better person. |
I'm just enjoying your empty name-calling being exposed as the ignorance it is.
Do you have any evidence for your statements that the US is murder capital of the world?
And let me assure you, you are the one who craves a nationalist pissing contest, not me. I've been on this board for too long to find any pleasure in that. Its old. |
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radcon
Joined: 23 May 2011
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| Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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| The Floating World wrote: |
| Anyone suggesting the us has lower violent crime stats than the uk is frankly an imbecile. |
He showed you stats and you disregard them. Now you produce stats that show that violent crime rates are lower in the UK than the US. We'll wait. |
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The Floating World
Joined: 01 Oct 2011
Location: Here
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| Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 9:42 pm Post subject: |
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I've already given reason why it is not becoming to post the stats here. Namely incarceration rates, and also, what is reported and classified as 'violent crime' is different in both countries.
I mean I COULD do it, I was topof the class at sociology, but if you think I'm spending that much of my time on esl cafe over something you could do yourself and only for kuros to then twist the data like he did in the freedom of speech thread, you must be nuts.
I'll give you this though, US rank in the top 5 murder capitals of the world.
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2008/09/28/the_list_murder_capitals_of_the_world |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 3:45 pm Post subject: |
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| The Floating World wrote: |
I mean I COULD do it, I was topof the class at sociology, but if you think I'm spending that much of my time on esl cafe over something you could do yourself and only for kuros to then twist the data like he did in the freedom of speech thread, you must be nuts. |
Ha ha, sorry guys, he can't google because I am so mean. |
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The Floating World
Joined: 01 Oct 2011
Location: Here
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| Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
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I mean I COULD do it, I was topof the class at sociology, but if you think I'm spending that much of my time on esl cafe over something you could do yourself and only for kuros to then twist the data like he did in the freedom of speech thread, you must be nuts. |
Ha ha, sorry guys, he can't google because I am so mean. |
My, my kuros, it seems as though you're playing to a crowd.
Unlike you, I wouldn't just be honing my trusty google-fu skills of the cutting and paste school.
I'd also need to write commentry as well as linking and supporting information as well as critical analasys, all for you to make some silly comment over or just promptly ignore when your case is busted wide open, like in the fos thread.
Not worth my time, if I were going to spend that much time reseaching and writing I'd be doing a thesis or something instead, not arguing with someone who is in denial of facts due to their nationalistic pride on an internet site. Lol. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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| The Floating World wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
| The Floating World wrote: |
I mean I COULD do it, I was topof the class at sociology, but if you think I'm spending that much of my time on esl cafe over something you could do yourself and only for kuros to then twist the data like he did in the freedom of speech thread, you must be nuts. |
Ha ha, sorry guys, he can't google because I am so mean. |
My, my kuros, it seems as though you're playing to a crowd.
Unlike you, I wouldn't just be honing my trusty google-fu skills of the cutting and paste school.
I'd also need to write commentry as well as linking and supporting information as well as critical analasys, all for you to make some silly comment over or just promptly ignore when your case is busted wide open, like in the fos thread.
Not worth my time, if I were going to spend that much time reseaching and writing I'd be doing a thesis or something instead, not arguing with someone who is in denial of facts due to their nationalistic pride on an internet site. Lol. |
I gave up on you in the FoS thread. And now I'm just laughing at you.
Still no links, and after you went so far to call comm stupid. Tsk. |
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comm
Joined: 22 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 11:13 am Post subject: |
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I gave up on you in the FoS thread. And now I'm just laughing at you.
Still no links, and after you went so far to call comm stupid. Tsk. |
I don't honestly expect someone to admit they're wrong on Dave's, so "I'm too busy to look up the facts showing I'm right, so I'll just call you a moron" is the most obvious admission of defeat I'm going to see.
By the way, this isn't about nationalism at all. The U.S. has a far higher murder rate than England. Apparently you realized the complete irrelevance of the U.S. having a higher rate of "deaths from child abuse and neglect" and deleted it from your post... but I'll certainly give England that as well.
Personally, I think there are interesting things to be learned from the data. One country with a relatively high murder rate has a relatively low rate of other violent crime. Another country has the reverse. Shouldn't this be important to anyone with an interest in sociology? I've always seen "lesser" violent crimes as being just as offensive as murder, perhaps elevating the former while making the latter more mundane... does this data hint at this being a common American attitude?
Traditional thinking (which The Floating World pointed out) would indicate that high incarceration rates result in lower violent crime. But incarceration rates are dropping while crime continues its decline. What's changed over the last decade in the U.S. and the U.K. that might account for these differences? |
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johnnyenglishteacher2
Joined: 03 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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Crime is not rising in the UK. Violent crime is not rising in the UK. The most reliable stats on crime in our country is the British Crime Survey. This survey does not change its methodology, and is not dependent on factors such as public willingness to go to the police, as opposed to figures on reported crime.
The survey shows that violent crime and overall crime have been falling since their peak in the 1990s. If anyone wants to check the latest survey out it's here:
http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/publications/science-research-statistics/research-statistics/crime-research/hosb1011/hosb1011?view=Binary
Sections 2.2 and 3.2 have the relevant tables.
The Daily Mail is NOT a reliable source of information. It's generally viewed as a source of national embarrassment by sane British people. Nicknames include "Daily Fail", "Daily Heil", "Daily Wail" and "Daily Hate". It leads with a bad news story every day and really panders to the most base mentality. If it ever reports a story in a balanced way (excluding the Science section which has a very decent writer) I think that I might die of shock.
The UK has many failings, but we aren't a particularly dangerous country, although there are parts of cities in which I wouldn't want my wife to walk alone.
Moving onto the question of the USA having the highest murder rate in the developed world - I'd say it depends on which countries you count as developed. Certainly it has a higher homicide rate than any other highly developed country, but there are quite a few Eastern European states which are far more dangerous (Data available here if you are really interested http://www.unodc.org/unodc/en/data-and-analysis/homicide.html ). Why? I can't answer that, I've only spent a week of my life in the States, but I know that I certainly would not want the UK to adopt US-style gun culture, which I think would prove a fairly disastrous mix with our alcohol culture.
Can't we put an end to nationalistic arguments on here? Or if we are going to have them, can't they be constructive? Or are people simply having too much fun? |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 7:17 pm Post subject: |
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Can't we put an end to nationalistic arguments on here? Or if we are going to have them, can't they be constructive? Or are people simply having too much fun? |
You're talking to the guy who said this, right?:
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| Anyone suggesting the us has lower violent crime stats than the uk is frankly an imbecile. |
Because the rest of us are adults uninterested in nationalistic pissing contests, whereas the poster who posted this has a pattern of trying to ignite nationalistic fervor (and blaming those who disagree with him for starting it). |
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The Floating World
Joined: 01 Oct 2011
Location: Here
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| Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| The Floating World wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
| The Floating World wrote: |
I mean I COULD do it, I was topof the class at sociology, but if you think I'm spending that much of my time on esl cafe over something you could do yourself and only for kuros to then twist the data like he did in the freedom of speech thread, you must be nuts. |
Ha ha, sorry guys, he can't google because I am so mean. |
My, my kuros, it seems as though you're playing to a crowd.
Unlike you, I wouldn't just be honing my trusty google-fu skills of the cutting and paste school.
I'd also need to write commentry as well as linking and supporting information as well as critical analasys, all for you to make some silly comment over or just promptly ignore when your case is busted wide open, like in the fos thread.
Not worth my time, if I were going to spend that much time reseaching and writing I'd be doing a thesis or something instead, not arguing with someone who is in denial of facts due to their nationalistic pride on an internet site. Lol. |
I gave up on you in the FoS thread. And now I'm just laughing at you.
Still no links, and after you went so far to call comm stupid. Tsk. |
Where is the 'yawn' emoticon?
Have the last word, whatever. You're still wrong. I cited an example of a man being arrested in the us for calling a cop a fascist as well as a us court statement proving that fos in the us is npot what you think it is.
But go ahead, show out to your pals and puff up your little chest, lol. Who is comm? |
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comm
Joined: 22 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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| The Floating World wrote: |
Where is the 'yawn' emoticon?
Have the last word, whatever. You're still wrong. I cited an example of a man being arrested in the us for calling a cop a fascist as well as a us court statement proving that fos in the us is npot what you think it is.
But go ahead, show out to your pals and puff up your little chest, lol. Who is comm? |
I love how you tell Kuros to have the last word, while continuing an argument from AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT THREAD. Obviously you're not going to post any fact to counter those already here, so why keep posting? |
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johnnyenglishteacher2
Joined: 03 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 2:07 am Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
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| Can't we put an end to nationalistic arguments on here? Or if we are going to have them, can't they be constructive? Or are people simply having too much fun? |
You're talking to the guy who said this, right?:
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| Anyone suggesting the us has lower violent crime stats than the uk is frankly an imbecile. |
Because the rest of us are adults uninterested in nationalistic pissing contests, whereas the poster who posted this has a pattern of trying to ignite nationalistic fervor (and blaming those who disagree with him for starting it). |
I don't just mean this thread. I'm not going to go through all the past threads looking for examples, but I've seen the "my country is better than your country" line quite a few times on this forum, which is quite a shame. To be fair though, I think that people from all of the large, highly developed countries tend to assume that their nation is the bestest one in the whole wide world. Having lived in France at a time when French national pride hit 10 on the smug-o-meter (just after they'd added the 2000 European Championships to their 1998 World Cup win), and having friends from Germany and Scandinavia, I would say it's fairly common. |
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 3:46 am Post subject: |
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| I'll give you this though, US rank in the top 5 murder capitals of the world |
Americans don't riot en masse for no reason though.
They're also conscientious enough not to smash up their own neighborhoods just to steal from shops and other people.
Sorry but the UK is an embarrasment that barely deserves the tag of "civilised nation".
After travelling through tens of countries around the globe, its hard for me to remember a more needlessly aggressive, unintelligent and obnoxious place than british inner cities.
Every Korean I've spoken to who has visited UK has also been pretty disillusioned too.
You can't live off a name forever. Britain will be joining somalia in the not too distant future. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 6:59 am Post subject: |
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| Julius wrote: |
| The Floating World wrote: |
| I'll give you this though, US rank in the top 5 murder capitals of the world |
Americans don't riot en masse for no reason though.
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Do losing a basketball game or wanting to destroy a bunch of Disco records or 10 Cent beer count as reasons? A shoving match between two basketball teams?
Do taxes on whiskey count as a good enough reason to threaten use of force? Is simply being the date October 30th a good enough reason to burn down houses and cars?
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| They're also conscientious enough not to smash up their own neighborhoods just to steal from shops and other people. |
You're joking, right?
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| Sorry but the UK is an embarrasment that barely deserves the tag of "civilised nation". |
When someone says an entire nation of people are an "embarrassment" and barely civilized, that person is an embarrassment and barely civilized.
Ah yes, the mighty Julius, men of men. Listen to his wisdom, ye barbarians, and follow.
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| After travelling through tens of countries around the globe, its hard for me to remember a more needlessly aggressive, unintelligent and obnoxious place than british inner cities. |
You may get beaten, perhaps cut. Slim chance of stabbing.
Considering that in many places you might get abducted or shot or beheaded, not that bad.
Is there any part of a British inner city where you don't stop at red lights, but instead drive on through after dark so as to avoid carjackings? (Detroit)
Is there any British city where if you're white, the cops stop you and escort you out of town for your own safety? (Gary, IN)
I'm genuinely asking. Are there British cities or areas that are like that? |
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The Floating World
Joined: 01 Oct 2011
Location: Here
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| Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Julius wrote: |
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| I'll give you this though, US rank in the top 5 murder capitals of the world |
Americans don't riot en masse for no reason though.
They're also conscientious enough not to smash up their own neighborhoods just to steal from shops and other people.
Sorry but the UK is an embarrasment that barely deserves the tag of "civilised nation".
After travelling through tens of countries around the globe, its hard for me to remember a more needlessly aggressive, unintelligent and obnoxious place than british inner cities.
Every Korean I've spoken to who has visited UK has also been pretty disillusioned too.
You can't live off a name forever. Britain will be joining somalia in the not too distant future. |
Basically steelrails just said exactly what I planned to.
Seriously, read the news coming out of the us and wake up. |
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