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Chris.Quigley
Joined: 20 Apr 2009
Location: Belfast. N Ireland
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Well, I'm from America, so that's why I was curious. I'm ignorant about the politics of Canadian justices, but in America we have Supreme Court justices (Scalia) who make public statements about torture that reference the television show 24. Their wives accept money/work for the healthcare lobbies (Thomas). And they regularly write opinion pieces and appear at gatherings for political groups.
http://edition.cnn.com/2011/11/29/politics/scotus-health-care/index.html
This doesn't necessarily excuse this Korean justice, I was just curious from what perspective you're coming from. I don't find a SNS quip too out of line and I also think it's fairly impossible for politically chosen judges to be apolitical, as unfortunate as that may (or may not) be. |
I am not coming from a right wing or left wing perspective (if that is what you were thinking). I am coming from the opinion that judges should be neutral - which is neither a left or right wing ideal.
The American supreme court is a joke... it is full of activist judges... few of the justices are people I would trust to judge my case fairly. Kagan is just as biased as Thomas or Scalia. I feel bad for Americans - really - justice in your country is a right and left wing issue! I always thought Lady Justice was blind? The American supreme court is exactly what a court shouldn't be - political. Just because American judges are allowed to express their crazy opinions - doesn't mean it is right - doesn't mean that is how it should be.
I will admit though - the only reason that this is such a big deal in Korea is because he is a liberal. If he was a 2MB supporter this probably wouldn't be happening. Even still - I think he should be removed. |
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NohopeSeriously
Joined: 17 Jan 2011
Location: The Christian Right-Wing Educational Republic of Korea
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| Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 2:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Oh, I know. But let's face it. Things didn't really get much better under LMB and his hard-line rhetoric. I mean, you had the sinking of the Cheonan, the shelling of those islands, the shooting of that tourist. That stuff was at least as bad, if not worse, than what went on under Sunshine. |
Hell. Even the Chinese government is now saying that the South Korean president is a bigger threat than the young dictator-to-be Kim Jong-un.
The vast majority of Korean-Canadians today still supports Roh over Lee.  Not to mention that a very significant portion of Korean-Canadians are Roman Catholic. FYI, Roman Catholic South Koreans are often devoted liberals and has a pro-NK stance. And you know, historically Pyongyang before the Korea War was the main epicenter of RC in the Korean Peninsula.
As a Korean Presbyterian with a RC background, I know the Korean Catholics in general are wiser enough to stand against the conservative Grand National Party. |
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NohopeSeriously
Joined: 17 Jan 2011
Location: The Christian Right-Wing Educational Republic of Korea
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| Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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| He and his parliamentary allies also abolished the patricarchal and discriminatory hoju family-registration system. |
Yes. Roh has made a wise decision to abolish the hoju system starting from 2008. I also like how Roh officially permitted alternative schools, private or not.
The best thing that Roh ever did? He was the very first South Korean leader to expose controversial political practices among the South Korean conservatives to the general public. This was the reason why LMB (I personally prefer 2MB) illegally subsidized the three major conservative newspaper companies right during his presidency.
Note that 2MB's decision to directly fund domestic media companies with government's taxpayers' money is illegal under the South Korean Constitution.
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| And yeah. This election hacking scandal is gonna be fun, eh? There's now talk of the entire GNP disbanding. |
The best thing that will ever happen for South Korea. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 5:16 am Post subject: |
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Oh, and about the idea that the left-wing engaged in pro-Sunshine censorship...
I was here throughout much of Sunshine, and I don't recall the government forcibly preventing anyone from criticizing North Korea. I do recall some unofficial pressure on people not to make anti-Nork statements, plus a lot of symbolic actions by the government intended to avoid offending the North(eg. DJ refusing to attend memorial services for sailors killed in sea battles with the North). |
You're forgettingthe pressure put on those families to shut up. Oh, and what about Chung Dong Youngs comments about people trying to help North korean refugees? Don't recall them at all? Well I do - him saying that they were harming Korean Unification and that he would put a travel ban on them from going to China - THAT was how Roh's administration tried to stifle people that oppose its Unification policies.
Your children get killed in the line of service - don't talk about it!
You try to escape the tyranny of the North - not on my watch! |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 5:18 am Post subject: |
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| NohopeSeriously wrote: |
| On the other hand wrote: |
| Oh, I know. But let's face it. Things didn't really get much better under LMB and his hard-line rhetoric. I mean, you had the sinking of the Cheonan, the shelling of those islands, the shooting of that tourist. That stuff was at least as bad, if not worse, than what went on under Sunshine. |
Hell. Even the Chinese government is now saying that the South Korean president is a bigger threat than the young dictator-to-be Kim Jong-un.
The vast majority of Korean-Canadians today still supports Roh over Lee. Not to mention that a very significant portion of Korean-Canadians are Roman Catholic. FYI, Roman Catholic South Koreans are often devoted liberals and has a pro-NK stance. And you know, historically Pyongyang before the Korea War was the main epicenter of RC in the Korean Peninsula.
As a Korean Presbyterian with a RC background, I know the Korean Catholics in general are wiser enough to stand against the conservative Grand National Party. |
ANY statistics to back this claim up? |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 5:20 am Post subject: |
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| In light of the Grand Nat'l Party's tampering with a major election (not the first time that a blatantly pro-US group has attempted to alter the outcome), a judge who doesn't speak out against those jackasses is basically a spineless tool. |
I'm totally against this sort of action, but you're saying that the party is behind it. Do you know that for sure?
And again, I ask - where was your outcry over the violence done by the liberals? One of them set off a tear gas canister to prevent a democratic vote - be sure to turn that critical eye in their direction as well. |
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 5:43 am Post subject: |
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| jvalmer wrote: |
| On the other hand wrote: |
| I do recall some unofficial pressure on people not to make anti-Nork statements, plus a lot of symbolic actions by the government intended to avoid offending the North(eg. DJ refusing to attend memorial services for sailors killed in sea battles with the North). |
Despite all the attempts to avoid 'offending' the North, the North still did things to internationally embarrass the KDJ and Roh administration. Just remembered how late the Roh administration was in admitting NK tested a nuclear device way back in October of 2006. They were embarrassed for sure. I was a Sunshine Policy supporter until that point, just one too many incidents. |
Oh, I know. But let's face it. Things didn't really get much better under LMB and his hard-line rhetoric. I mean, you had the sinking of the Cheonan, the shelling of those islands, the shooting of that tourist. That stuff was at least as bad, if not worse, than what went on under Sunshine. |
I am now in the hard-line embargo camp, however it will never happen since you'll need China's backing on that. And we all know China is pissing themselves about the prospect of massive amounts of people pouring over the their border looking for basic needs like food. |
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 5:49 am Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
| NohopeSeriously wrote: |
| On the other hand wrote: |
| Oh, I know. But let's face it. Things didn't really get much better under LMB and his hard-line rhetoric. I mean, you had the sinking of the Cheonan, the shelling of those islands, the shooting of that tourist. That stuff was at least as bad, if not worse, than what went on under Sunshine. |
Hell. Even the Chinese government is now saying that the South Korean president is a bigger threat than the young dictator-to-be Kim Jong-un.
The vast majority of Korean-Canadians today still supports Roh over Lee. Not to mention that a very significant portion of Korean-Canadians are Roman Catholic. FYI, Roman Catholic South Koreans are often devoted liberals and has a pro-NK stance. And you know, historically Pyongyang before the Korea War was the main epicenter of RC in the Korean Peninsula.
As a Korean Presbyterian with a RC background, I know the Korean Catholics in general are wiser enough to stand against the conservative Grand National Party. |
ANY statistics to back this claim up? |
I wanted to say something about that, but I didn't want to fan the flames of nonsense. I can see the newer immigrants being supports of KDJ, but most of the old ones are not. Many of the old immigrants probably didn't like ParkJH when they left, and were pretty liberal. But most of them have come around after seeing the unfiltered news when it comes to the Koreas and some of the ridiculous things the Korean left say. |
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Stout
Joined: 28 May 2011
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| Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 7:30 am Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
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| In light of the Grand Nat'l Party's tampering with a major election (not the first time that a blatantly pro-US group has attempted to alter the outcome), a judge who doesn't speak out against those jackasses is basically a spineless tool. |
I'm totally against this sort of action, but you're saying that the party is behind it. Do you know that for sure?
And again, I ask - where was your outcry over the violence done by the liberals? One of them set off a tear gas canister to prevent a democratic vote - be sure to turn that critical eye in their direction as well. |
Oh, I agree that was a dumb thing for him to do, perhaps motivated by an urge to gain popular support. On the other hand, tear gas, water cannons in winter, and live artillery have been used by hardliners on citizens.
As for hardliners tampering with elections, Rhee Sungnam would be the most famous case (and backfired so bad he had to be ushered out of the country on a US military plane). In terms of the recent Seoul mayor election, I'll let u be the judge, Captain-
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2011/12/117_100416.html
12-08-2011 17:25
Ex-aide of GNP lawmaker admits cyber attack
By Na Jeong-ju
A former secretary of Rep. Choi Gu-sik of the ruling Grand National Party (GNP) told investigators that he masterminded a cyber attack that crashed the website of the country�s election watchdog during the Oct. 26 by-elections, police said Thursday.
Police last week revealed that the 27-year-old ex-secretary, surnamed Gong, hired a local Internet firm to attack the website, suggesting possible involvement of senior party officials. Investigators, however, said as yet they have no evidence showing the party�s involvement in the hacking.
�Gong finally confessed that he committed the crime on his own,� a police spokesman told reporters on condition of anonymity. �He believed the attack would help then-GNP�s candidate for the Seoul mayoral race, Na Kyung-won, and assist Choi as well.�
Police will announce the result of their investigation into the hacking scandal before referring the case to the prosecution today. The prosecution said it has set up a special team to conduct its own investigation.
Suspicions are now growing over whether police have done their job properly to get to the bottom of the crime, which opposition parties says was an attack on democracy.
Some opposition lawmakers have claimed that the National Election Commission (NEC) and the National Intelligence Service could have blocked the DDoS attack but didn�t.
If he himself orchestrated the hacking, how he paid for the scheme remains a big question.
Internet security experts say such an attack cost at least 200 million won ($177,000). Gong�s monthly salary was less than 2 million won.
The hacking prevented voters from accessing websites showing voter turnout as well as the location of polling stations on the election day. Opposition parties have alleged that it was to prevent young voters, who favor opposition candidates and usually vote in the morning before going to work, from checking the locations of polling stations on the NEC homepage.
While the attack was underway, Gong had six phone conversations with National Assembly Speaker and former GNP Chairman Park Hee-tae�s secretary, surnamed Kim. Gong and Kim drank together with other acquaintances at an expensive room salon in southern Seoul just hours before the attack, police said.
Gong and Kim recently quit as secretaries after the police began their investigation.
A secretary of former GNP lawmaker Gong Sung-jin also reportedly dined together with Gong and Kim one day before the by-elections. They, however, claimed that they had nothing to do with the attack.
Gong�s former boss, Rep. Choi, was one of Na�s key campaigners during the by-elections. Na ultimately lost to unified opposition candidate Park Won-soon in the race to pick new Seoul mayor.
Choi, a former reporter of the conservative daily Chosun Ilbo, also quit as the party�s public relations chief last week. He denied any involvement, saying he would give up his National Assembly seat if he was found to be lying.
And in the wake of this, prominent members of GNP have been resigning left and right. You know what they say about rats leaving a sinking ship... |
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NohopeSeriously
Joined: 17 Jan 2011
Location: The Christian Right-Wing Educational Republic of Korea
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| Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 5:48 am Post subject: |
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I'm totally against this sort of action, but you're saying that the party is behind it. Do you know that for sure?
And again, I ask - where was your outcry over the violence done by the liberals? One of them set off a tear gas canister to prevent a democratic vote - be sure to turn that critical eye in their direction as well. |
Why are you complaining now? Nobody was seriously hurt during the tear gas attack. And I'll ask again. Why are you complaining now?
GOOD NEWS, everyone! The Democratic Party has finally made an alliance with the Federation of Korean Trade Unions not too long ago!!!!  Leftist Korean (Gyopo) Christians need some support from the Korean trade unions.
The future looks very left-y for this country!
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| Oh, I agree that was a dumb thing for him to do, perhaps motivated by an urge to gain popular support. On the other hand, tear gas, water cannons in winter, and live artillery have been used by hardliners on citizens. |
Never forget that the right wingers in the government massacred South Korean civilians during the Gwangju Uprising in the 1980s. The South Korean left has never systematically murdered people in a large scale after Park Chung-hee.
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| As for hardliners tampering with elections, Rhee Sungnam would be the most famous case (and backfired so bad he had to be ushered out of the country on a US military plane). In terms of the recent Seoul mayor election, I'll let u be the judge, Captain- |
You know, this is the main reason why the political left will forever be important here.
You see. I don't complain 2MB (LMB for you guys) for being a skilled businessman. It's too bad that the South Korean right wing conservatives are the ones who are destroying the integrity of the national economy by wrongfully helping skilled businessmen of this country.
But anyways. I think the US military base in Yongsan could protect 2MB if the government totally collapses by January 2012. Rumor posts in Daum Agora are expressing a possibility that the headquarter of National Police Department in Seoul could oust 2MB.... you know, the Prosecutors Organization that is unquestionably protecting 2MB and the ruling party is in the middle of a total war against the Police right now. Maybe that Mr. Cho could change his mind. |
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Rumor posts in Daum Agora are expressing a possibility that the headquarter of National Police Department in Seoul could oust 2MB.... |
0% chance of this happening. Coups need a lot of support and mostly from the military. And Korea hasn't had one in over 30 years. Also a coup would be economically disastrous for SK.
If it does happen I'll mail you both of my nuts and give you my first born son to sacrifice over Mt. Halla. |
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Yaya
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 7:23 pm Post subject: |
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Save your responses to Nohopeseriously. He's obviously got a warped mind and ideas and he's using this site as a platform to spout off.
Who's more stupid, the idiot or the people who respond to the idiot? |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
I'm totally against this sort of action, but you're saying that the party is behind it. Do you know that for sure?
And again, I ask - where was your outcry over the violence done by the liberals? One of them set off a tear gas canister to prevent a democratic vote - be sure to turn that critical eye in their direction as well. |
1. Why are you complaining now? Nobody was seriously hurt during the tear gas attack. And I'll ask again. Why are you complaining now?
2. GOOD NEWS, everyone! The Democratic Party has finally made an alliance with the Federation of Korean Trade Unions not too long ago!!!! Leftist Korean (Gyopo) Christians need some support from the Korean trade unions.
The future looks very left-y for this country! |
1. Why now? It is fairly recent news. You bring up stuff from the 80's, and I bring up stuff from last month. hhmmmmmmm...
2. hahahhaa
Yup, here's your united Left! WEnjoy
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
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| In light of the Grand Nat'l Party's tampering with a major election (not the first time that a blatantly pro-US group has attempted to alter the outcome), a judge who doesn't speak out against those jackasses is basically a spineless tool. |
I'm totally against this sort of action, but you're saying that the party is behind it. Do you know that for sure?
And again, I ask - where was your outcry over the violence done by the liberals? One of them set off a tear gas canister to prevent a democratic vote - be sure to turn that critical eye in their direction as well. |
Oh, I agree that was a dumb thing for him to do, perhaps motivated by an urge to gain popular support. On the other hand, tear gas, water cannons in winter, and live artillery have been used by hardliners on citizens.
As for hardliners tampering with elections, Rhee Sungnam would be the most famous case (and backfired so bad he had to be ushered out of the country on a US military plane). In terms of the recent Seoul mayor election, I'll let u be the judge, Captain- |
Live artillery? When was that? decades ago??
Are we now dredging up every atrocity from the distant past? Should I now read off a list of atrocities committed by the Communists?
Seriously?
Why not stick to something in the past decade. I don't think we have to go much deeper than Noh and LMB to discuss the current state of affairs.
As to your proof of guilt... well, it's circumstantial at best... for now. If they did have a hand in it, I hope they go to prison and lose their seats. Just like I hope the guy who set off that tear gass canister goes to prison and losses his seat.
If lawmakers commit crimes, they need to be punished - regardless of party affiliation. |
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NohopeSeriously
Joined: 17 Jan 2011
Location: The Christian Right-Wing Educational Republic of Korea
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| Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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Save your responses to Nohopeseriously. He's obviously got a warped mind and ideas and he's using this site as a platform to spout off.
Who's more stupid, the idiot or the people who respond to the idiot? |
Awww.... Looks like you broke tears for me!
It's simple: your support for 2MB is the problem.
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NohopeSeriously
Joined: 17 Jan 2011
Location: The Christian Right-Wing Educational Republic of Korea
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| Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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0% chance of this happening. Coups need a lot of support and mostly from the military. And Korea hasn't had one in over 30 years. Also a coup would be economically disastrous for SK.
If it does happen I'll mail you both of my nuts and give you my first born son to sacrifice over Mt. Halla. |
Does it really have to be a coup? A total police strike in this country could likely bring down the government in one piece. |
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