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rchristo10
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Anyone else remember only a couple of years ago on your elder-meters when Korea literally had few to any escalators at all in Seoul (I'm talking like one or two...Ewha Woman's University was a well-needed one built with the station...image walking the steps)?
Low and behold, the country's now seemingly over-escalatored in less than 10 years, yet people are already complaining about how they get used.
For crying out loud, give people a break. I don't consider myself old or an apologist, but I do come from the pre-cell phone generation. What the hell happened to preparing enough time so that you don't have to care about the less-than-5-minute-wait on the escalator? Has the cell phone turned walking into the next road rage?
Let's remember how grandma and grandpa back home feel about learning simple things like how to click the send button for E-mail the next time we consider picking a fight with a "&*&^ ajosshi's" who has an inability to prepare or total refusal to stand on the right side before boarding the flight. |
You don't get it. Consider this--you've been standing on the subway for an hour or more and when you finally get off and get out you've still got to deal with a slow-moving escalator--at some exits there are no stairs--and more waiting. For most, it's not about saving time.
From my experience, when I've been forced to take an escalator lately, the person blocking the left side is someone who didn't want to wait in the longer line for the right side and is now taking advantage of the new rule, while continuing to ignore all the others, so they can go faster without making the effort of walking. |
Trust me. I get it. It's called patience. If you don't have enough to just wait some then try getting on the first ride back to your island. Then again, just keep ranting about it and perhaps after wisdom kicks in you'll realize that there's nothing wrong with the system or you'll invent a teleporter I'll stand to be corrected. Waiting is part of life. Get used to it. |
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rchristo10
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yeah, because learning how to use email and being aware of people around you are exactly the same!
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No, they're quite different. But I guess high-level inference skills were necessary to decipher such complex analytical argumentation: the point was adjustment. Trust me the ajosshis see you and are very aware of your presence.
But who knows, from the way you argue Floating World, you've definitely had your fair share of puffs and clearly still in the clouds. So perhaps your presence just floated right on by them.  |
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atwood
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| Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 5:18 am Post subject: |
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Anyone else remember only a couple of years ago on your elder-meters when Korea literally had few to any escalators at all in Seoul (I'm talking like one or two...Ewha Woman's University was a well-needed one built with the station...image walking the steps)?
Low and behold, the country's now seemingly over-escalatored in less than 10 years, yet people are already complaining about how they get used.
For crying out loud, give people a break. I don't consider myself old or an apologist, but I do come from the pre-cell phone generation. What the hell happened to preparing enough time so that you don't have to care about the less-than-5-minute-wait on the escalator? Has the cell phone turned walking into the next road rage?
Let's remember how grandma and grandpa back home feel about learning simple things like how to click the send button for E-mail the next time we consider picking a fight with a "&*&^ ajosshi's" who has an inability to prepare or total refusal to stand on the right side before boarding the flight. |
You don't get it. Consider this--you've been standing on the subway for an hour or more and when you finally get off and get out you've still got to deal with a slow-moving escalator--at some exits there are no stairs--and more waiting. For most, it's not about saving time.
From my experience, when I've been forced to take an escalator lately, the person blocking the left side is someone who didn't want to wait in the longer line for the right side and is now taking advantage of the new rule, while continuing to ignore all the others, so they can go faster without making the effort of walking. |
Trust me. I get it. It's called patience. If you don't have enough to just wait some then try getting on the first ride back to your island. Then again, just keep ranting about it and perhaps after wisdom kicks in you'll realize that there's nothing wrong with the system or you'll invent a teleporter I'll stand to be corrected. Waiting is part of life. Get used to it. |
You don't get it at all. You claim there's "nothing wrong with the system." Any system which rewards the inconsiderate is not working. So yes there is something "wrong with the system."
Do facile statements such as "waiting is a part of life" pass for wisdom on "the island" that you're from? I'll be sure to patiently avoid visiting it. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 5:26 am Post subject: |
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Granted, I haven't been in the country that long, but along the subway escalators that I've seen, that hasn't been the case at all; except when there are so many people that the escalator is completely packed, there's always been a clear path for people to pass on the left.
I've lived all across the US and was actually mildly surprised that the Koreans seem to have better escalator etiquette than us.
Is this something that's happening as a systemic problem or is this just confirmation bias? |
I've lived in several regions of the U.S. as well, including NYC, usually considered the rudest place in America, and I can't for the life of me think of a time when I even had to think about etiquette in the U.S. on an escalator. Anyone in a hurry just said, "Excuse me," and if there was space people moved to let him or her pass. |
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The Floating World
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yeah, because learning how to use email and being aware of people around you are exactly the same!
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No, they're quite different. But I guess high-level inference skills were necessary to decipher such complex analytical argumentation: the point was adjustment. Trust me the ajosshis see you and are very aware of your presence.
But who knows, from the way you argue Floating World, you've definitely had your fair share of puffs and clearly still in the clouds. So perhaps your presence just floated right on by them. |
Where is the 'yawn' emoticon? |
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rchristo10
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| Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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| atwood wrote: |
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Anyone else remember only a couple of years ago on your elder-meters when Korea literally had few to any escalators at all in Seoul (I'm talking like one or two...Ewha Woman's University was a well-needed one built with the station...image walking the steps)?
Low and behold, the country's now seemingly over-escalatored in less than 10 years, yet people are already complaining about how they get used.
For crying out loud, give people a break. I don't consider myself old or an apologist, but I do come from the pre-cell phone generation. What the hell happened to preparing enough time so that you don't have to care about the less-than-5-minute-wait on the escalator? Has the cell phone turned walking into the next road rage?
Let's remember how grandma and grandpa back home feel about learning simple things like how to click the send button for E-mail the next time we consider picking a fight with a "&*&^ ajosshi's" who has an inability to prepare or total refusal to stand on the right side before boarding the flight. |
You don't get it. Consider this--you've been standing on the subway for an hour or more and when you finally get off and get out you've still got to deal with a slow-moving escalator--at some exits there are no stairs--and more waiting. For most, it's not about saving time.
From my experience, when I've been forced to take an escalator lately, the person blocking the left side is someone who didn't want to wait in the longer line for the right side and is now taking advantage of the new rule, while continuing to ignore all the others, so they can go faster without making the effort of walking. |
Trust me. I get it. It's called patience. If you don't have enough to just wait some then try getting on the first ride back to your island. Then again, just keep ranting about it and perhaps after wisdom kicks in you'll realize that there's nothing wrong with the system or you'll invent a teleporter I'll stand to be corrected. Waiting is part of life. Get used to it. |
You don't get it at all. You claim there's "nothing wrong with the system." Any system which rewards the inconsiderate is not working. So yes there is something "wrong with the system."
Do facile statements such as "waiting is a part of life" pass for wisdom on "the island" that you're from? I'll be sure to patiently avoid visiting it. |
Why is it that people think rules of consideration are somehow universal or cross-culturally similar products?
야! 멍청아...한국에서 한국사람들의 시각으로 좀 생각해라...비행기 금방 내렸는데, 한국사람들의 문제를 다 해결할 수 있다고 생각하냐?? 아직 한국문화 잘 모르는거네...반드시 한국어와 한국문화 먼저 배우고, 그 다음에 해결법이나 대안책을 만들어서 서울시청으로 추천이나 보내면 되잖아..한국어 못 하면 걍 열심히 딱치고, 할 수 있도록 한국에서 조용히 살아라....-_- you give foreigners in the country a bad name...in several ways. Honestly? Waiting at an escalator....? (I just pray you're not from my home country...the US? Please say it ain't so. Please say it ain't so.)
What makes you think the world was made for your convenience or consideration? Inconsiderate? Silly person...yes...you really are living on an island if you think escalator etiquette or signs and stickers placed on the railings near them hold the same power or significance all over the world.
Silly...yes...silly you are. 
In fact, I think it's quite "inconsiderate" for taxi drivers to stop at obviously unnecessary crosswalks regardless of the red light. But go figure, maybe I've learned how "they" think. And I guess I'm also grown up enough to know that, push come to shove, I can either walk through the world aimlessly bitching and complaining or invest in a car. Hopefully you're working on the schematics for that teleportation device. And when you're done, let me know. I'll help you get a patent.
By the way, mon ami, we are definitely on different islands; I live and study IN Korea, not just on the whining periphery. Grow up! (oops...crap c'est tres facile aussi, n'est pas?...-_-). |
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atwood
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| Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 4:59 pm Post subject: |
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Anyone else remember only a couple of years ago on your elder-meters when Korea literally had few to any escalators at all in Seoul (I'm talking like one or two...Ewha Woman's University was a well-needed one built with the station...image walking the steps)?
Low and behold, the country's now seemingly over-escalatored in less than 10 years, yet people are already complaining about how they get used.
For crying out loud, give people a break. I don't consider myself old or an apologist, but I do come from the pre-cell phone generation. What the hell happened to preparing enough time so that you don't have to care about the less-than-5-minute-wait on the escalator? Has the cell phone turned walking into the next road rage?
Let's remember how grandma and grandpa back home feel about learning simple things like how to click the send button for E-mail the next time we consider picking a fight with a "&*&^ ajosshi's" who has an inability to prepare or total refusal to stand on the right side before boarding the flight. |
You don't get it. Consider this--you've been standing on the subway for an hour or more and when you finally get off and get out you've still got to deal with a slow-moving escalator--at some exits there are no stairs--and more waiting. For most, it's not about saving time.
From my experience, when I've been forced to take an escalator lately, the person blocking the left side is someone who didn't want to wait in the longer line for the right side and is now taking advantage of the new rule, while continuing to ignore all the others, so they can go faster without making the effort of walking. |
Trust me. I get it. It's called patience. If you don't have enough to just wait some then try getting on the first ride back to your island. Then again, just keep ranting about it and perhaps after wisdom kicks in you'll realize that there's nothing wrong with the system or you'll invent a teleporter I'll stand to be corrected. Waiting is part of life. Get used to it. |
You don't get it at all. You claim there's "nothing wrong with the system." Any system which rewards the inconsiderate is not working. So yes there is something "wrong with the system."
Do facile statements such as "waiting is a part of life" pass for wisdom on "the island" that you're from? I'll be sure to patiently avoid visiting it. |
Why is it that people think rules of consideration are somehow universal or cross-culturally similar products?
야! 멍청아...한국에서 한국사람들의 시각으로 좀 생각해라...비행기 금방 내렸는데, 한국사람들의 문제를 다 해결할 수 있다고 생각하냐?? 아직 한국문화 잘 모르는거네...반드시 한국어와 한국문화 먼저 배우고, 그 다음에 해결법이나 대안책을 만들어서 서울시청으로 추천이나 보내면 되잖아..한국어 못 하면 걍 열심히 딱치고, 할 수 있도록 한국에서 조용히 살아라....-_- you give foreigners in the country a bad name...in several ways. Honestly? Waiting at an escalator....? (I just pray you're not from my home country...the US? Please say it ain't so. Please say it ain't so.)
What makes you think the world was made for your convenience or consideration? Inconsiderate? Silly person...yes...you really are living on an island if you think escalator etiquette or signs and stickers placed on the railings near them hold the same power or significance all over the world.
Silly...yes...silly you are.
In fact, I think it's quite "inconsiderate" for taxi drivers to stop at obviously unnecessary crosswalks regardless of the red light. But go figure, maybe I've learned how "they" think. And I guess I'm also grown up enough to know that, push come to shove, I can either walk through the world aimlessly bitching and complaining or invest in a car. Hopefully you're working on the schematics for that teleportation device. And when you're done, let me know. I'll help you get a patent.
By the way, mon ami, we are definitely on different islands; I live and study IN Korea, not just on the whining periphery. Grow up! (oops...crap c'est tres facile aussi, n'est pas?...-_-). |
Cultural relativism--it's amazing how enegetically some people defend such a lazy way of thinking. Your either love or leave it line of argument, which is your only argument here and before, is further evidence of your
intellectual laziness. And since three's a charm, let me add that your teleportation joke is still falling flat.
As for investing in a car, does that mean you drive and don't take the subway becasue you don't like waiting and just want to preach at others?
BTW, to learn how someone thinks and to accept that line of thought are two different things. I guess you haven't gotten that far in your studies. |
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Zyzyfer
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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Wow, this thread is proof that people will argue about anything. I can't see how anyone would care about having to stand on an escalator.
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| I've lived in several regions of the U.S. as well, including NYC, usually considered the rudest place in America, and I can't for the life of me think of a time when I even had to think about etiquette in the U.S. on an escalator. Anyone in a hurry just said, "Excuse me," and if there was space people moved to let him or her pass. |
Y'know, that also works here. Even in English. A shoulder tap is suggested for those wearing headphones.
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| Has the cell phone turned walking into the next road rage? |
Now this one, this does catch my eye. I don't understand why someone would walk around in a crowded and busy area with face buried in phone and think that this is appropriate. I guess the escalator wait is a bit too long and they get bored? |
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rchristo10
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| Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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Anyone else remember only a couple of years ago on your elder-meters when Korea literally had few to any escalators at all in Seoul (I'm talking like one or two...Ewha Woman's University was a well-needed one built with the station...image walking the steps)?
Low and behold, the country's now seemingly over-escalatored in less than 10 years, yet people are already complaining about how they get used.
For crying out loud, give people a break. I don't consider myself old or an apologist, but I do come from the pre-cell phone generation. What the hell happened to preparing enough time so that you don't have to care about the less-than-5-minute-wait on the escalator? Has the cell phone turned walking into the next road rage?
Let's remember how grandma and grandpa back home feel about learning simple things like how to click the send button for E-mail the next time we consider picking a fight with a "&*&^ ajosshi's" who has an inability to prepare or total refusal to stand on the right side before boarding the flight. |
You don't get it. Consider this--you've been standing on the subway for an hour or more and when you finally get off and get out you've still got to deal with a slow-moving escalator--at some exits there are no stairs--and more waiting. For most, it's not about saving time.
From my experience, when I've been forced to take an escalator lately, the person blocking the left side is someone who didn't want to wait in the longer line for the right side and is now taking advantage of the new rule, while continuing to ignore all the others, so they can go faster without making the effort of walking. |
Trust me. I get it. It's called patience. If you don't have enough to just wait some then try getting on the first ride back to your island. Then again, just keep ranting about it and perhaps after wisdom kicks in you'll realize that there's nothing wrong with the system or you'll invent a teleporter I'll stand to be corrected. Waiting is part of life. Get used to it. |
You don't get it at all. You claim there's "nothing wrong with the system." Any system which rewards the inconsiderate is not working. So yes there is something "wrong with the system."
Do facile statements such as "waiting is a part of life" pass for wisdom on "the island" that you're from? I'll be sure to patiently avoid visiting it. |
Why is it that people think rules of consideration are somehow universal or cross-culturally similar products?
야! 멍청아...한국에서 한국사람들의 시각으로 좀 생각해라...비행기 금방 내렸는데, 한국사람들의 문제를 다 해결할 수 있다고 생각하냐?? 아직 한국문화 잘 모르는거네...반드시 한국어와 한국문화 먼저 배우고, 그 다음에 해결법이나 대안책을 만들어서 서울시청으로 추천이나 보내면 되잖아..한국어 못 하면 걍 열심히 딱치고, 할 수 있도록 한국에서 조용히 살아라....-_- you give foreigners in the country a bad name...in several ways. Honestly? Waiting at an escalator....? (I just pray you're not from my home country...the US? Please say it ain't so. Please say it ain't so.)
What makes you think the world was made for your convenience or consideration? Inconsiderate? Silly person...yes...you really are living on an island if you think escalator etiquette or signs and stickers placed on the railings near them hold the same power or significance all over the world.
Silly...yes...silly you are.
In fact, I think it's quite "inconsiderate" for taxi drivers to stop at obviously unnecessary crosswalks regardless of the red light. But go figure, maybe I've learned how "they" think. And I guess I'm also grown up enough to know that, push come to shove, I can either walk through the world aimlessly bitching and complaining or invest in a car. Hopefully you're working on the schematics for that teleportation device. And when you're done, let me know. I'll help you get a patent.
By the way, mon ami, we are definitely on different islands; I live and study IN Korea, not just on the whining periphery. Grow up! (oops...crap c'est tres facile aussi, n'est pas?...-_-). |
Cultural relativism--it's amazing how enegetically some people defend such a lazy way of thinking. Your either love or leave it line of argument, which is your only argument here and before, is further evidence of your
intellectual laziness. And since three's a charm, let me add that your teleportation joke is still falling flat.
As for investing in a car, does that mean you drive and don't take the subway becasue you don't like waiting and just want to preach at others?
BTW, to learn how someone thinks and to accept that line of thought are two different things. I guess you haven't gotten that far in your studies. |
Ah...poor atwood. I didn't say love it or leave it. You can always do what you're already doing....bitching and complaining like a little girl instead of coming up with solutions or at least trying to make sense of why the breaking of rules even occurs. But, then again YOU AIN'T LAZY, oh no...no...not lazy at all.
I admit I'm lazy. That's why I'm replying to you. Rather than lazy though, I'd like to think of it as procrastinating--it has a crisp ring to it. But, a rose of another name...
By the way, O great one...what makes you think people care what you accept...we're talking about about majority of a population (the way you word it) versus a select few (you, namely)
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Yaya
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You also have the Koreans who stand right in the middle of the escalator when they should be standing to one side.
Hub of Asia or schmuck of Asia? |
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Zyzyfer
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You also have the Koreans who stand right in the middle of the escalator when they should be standing to one side.
Hub of Asia or schmuck of Asia? |
Well a hub implies being in the middle. |
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rchristo10
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| Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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Anyone else remember only a couple of years ago on your elder-meters when Korea literally had few to any escalators at all in Seoul (I'm talking like one or two...Ewha Woman's University was a well-needed one built with the station...image walking the steps)?
Low and behold, the country's now seemingly over-escalatored in less than 10 years, yet people are already complaining about how they get used.
For crying out loud, give people a break. I don't consider myself old or an apologist, but I do come from the pre-cell phone generation. What the hell happened to preparing enough time so that you don't have to care about the less-than-5-minute-wait on the escalator? Has the cell phone turned walking into the next road rage?
Let's remember how grandma and grandpa back home feel about learning simple things like how to click the send button for E-mail the next time we consider picking a fight with a "&*&^ ajosshi's" who has an inability to prepare or total refusal to stand on the right side before boarding the flight. |
You don't get it. Consider this--you've been standing on the subway for an hour or more and when you finally get off and get out you've still got to deal with a slow-moving escalator--at some exits there are no stairs--and more waiting. For most, it's not about saving time.
From my experience, when I've been forced to take an escalator lately, the person blocking the left side is someone who didn't want to wait in the longer line for the right side and is now taking advantage of the new rule, while continuing to ignore all the others, so they can go faster without making the effort of walking. |
Trust me. I get it. It's called patience. If you don't have enough to just wait some then try getting on the first ride back to your island. Then again, just keep ranting about it and perhaps after wisdom kicks in you'll realize that there's nothing wrong with the system or you'll invent a teleporter I'll stand to be corrected. Waiting is part of life. Get used to it. |
You don't get it at all. You claim there's "nothing wrong with the system." Any system which rewards the inconsiderate is not working. So yes there is something "wrong with the system."
Do facile statements such as "waiting is a part of life" pass for wisdom on "the island" that you're from? I'll be sure to patiently avoid visiting it. |
Why is it that people think rules of consideration are somehow universal or cross-culturally similar products?
야! 멍청아...한국에서 한국사람들의 시각으로 좀 생각해라...비행기 금방 내렸는데, 한국사람들의 문제를 다 해결할 수 있다고 생각하냐?? 아직 한국문화 잘 모르는거네...반드시 한국어와 한국문화 먼저 배우고, 그 다음에 해결법이나 대안책을 만들어서 서울시청으로 추천이나 보내면 되잖아..한국어 못 하면 걍 열심히 딱치고, 할 수 있도록 한국에서 조용히 살아라....-_- you give foreigners in the country a bad name...in several ways. Honestly? Waiting at an escalator....? (I just pray you're not from my home country...the US? Please say it ain't so. Please say it ain't so.)
What makes you think the world was made for your convenience or consideration? Inconsiderate? Silly person...yes...you really are living on an island if you think escalator etiquette or signs and stickers placed on the railings near them hold the same power or significance all over the world.
Silly...yes...silly you are.
In fact, I think it's quite "inconsiderate" for taxi drivers to stop at obviously unnecessary crosswalks regardless of the red light. But go figure, maybe I've learned how "they" think. And I guess I'm also grown up enough to know that, push come to shove, I can either walk through the world aimlessly bitching and complaining or invest in a car. Hopefully you're working on the schematics for that teleportation device. And when you're done, let me know. I'll help you get a patent.
By the way, mon ami, we are definitely on different islands; I live and study IN Korea, not just on the whining periphery. Grow up! (oops...crap c'est tres facile aussi, n'est pas?...-_-). |
Cultural relativism--it's amazing how enegetically some people defend such a lazy way of thinking. Your either love or leave it line of argument, which is your only argument here and before, is further evidence of your
intellectual laziness. And since three's a charm, let me add that your teleportation joke is still falling flat.
As for investing in a car, does that mean you drive and don't take the subway becasue you don't like waiting and just want to preach at others?
BTW, to learn how someone thinks and to accept that line of thought are two different things. I guess you haven't gotten that far in your studies. |
By the way, if you read what I wrote earlier, I explained the reason why Koreans are not really into following your "escalator etiquette." If you don't have time to scroll up, I'll spell it out for you: they don't have a escalator etiquette, because they simply haven't had escalators or even the walking etiquettes that you may be familiar with in your own country. It's not so easy to tell everyone "Hey, walk on the right side" or "Walk on the left side" when you've spent most of your history without the notion of sides.
OK, so now they have cars. But have you ever seen the turning system here...amazingly retarded from my US perspective, but Koreans don't seem to have much problem following (though they were thinking recently of changing it).
The point is: why are you trying to force feed an etiquette that simply doesn't exist here. OK, you don't like it, but until Korean people feel a need to change it themselves on a social conscious-level, I don't see any reason for throwing around your non-Korean moral compass, using blanketed terms like "system" and condescending one's like "inconsiderate," when you can likely barely go through one full day without dishing out your native garble with a group of Koreans.
Perhaps if you sit and learn more than judge and complain, then you'd see that between all that linguistic contorting and convoluted notions in your brain, there's a lot more going behind the scenes. Believe it or not, the longer you live in a foreign country and the more you learn about it, the less sense it makes to you--not the other way around. But at least you can see the distinctive reasons for why you spent years in the dark.
You're far from living in Korea if you think that escalator etiquette makes any sense here. There's nothing inconsiderate about Koreans standing where they chose. The biggest, brightest flashing arrow in the middle of Sadang station ain't gonna make people suddenly think that they should obey when they never obey such signs on the street.
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The Floating World
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| By the way, if you read what I wrote earlier, I explained the reason why Koreans are not really into following your "escalator etiquette." If you don't have time to scroll up, I'll spell it out for you: they don't have a escalator etiquette, because they simply haven't had escalators or even the walking etiquettes that you may be familiar with in your own country. It's not so easy to tell everyone "Hey, walk on the right side" or "Walk on the left side" when you've spent most of your history without the notion of sides. |
They've had escalators for decades. Wake up.
Cultural relatavists make me crack up. One of the main reaosns is Koreans themselves think foriegners trying to think and be like Koreans are 'weak.' They get it. |
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atwood
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Anyone else remember only a couple of years ago on your elder-meters when Korea literally had few to any escalators at all in Seoul (I'm talking like one or two...Ewha Woman's University was a well-needed one built with the station...image walking the steps)?
Low and behold, the country's now seemingly over-escalatored in less than 10 years, yet people are already complaining about how they get used.
For crying out loud, give people a break. I don't consider myself old or an apologist, but I do come from the pre-cell phone generation. What the hell happened to preparing enough time so that you don't have to care about the less-than-5-minute-wait on the escalator? Has the cell phone turned walking into the next road rage?
Let's remember how grandma and grandpa back home feel about learning simple things like how to click the send button for E-mail the next time we consider picking a fight with a "&*&^ ajosshi's" who has an inability to prepare or total refusal to stand on the right side before boarding the flight. |
You don't get it. Consider this--you've been standing on the subway for an hour or more and when you finally get off and get out you've still got to deal with a slow-moving escalator--at some exits there are no stairs--and more waiting. For most, it's not about saving time.
From my experience, when I've been forced to take an escalator lately, the person blocking the left side is someone who didn't want to wait in the longer line for the right side and is now taking advantage of the new rule, while continuing to ignore all the others, so they can go faster without making the effort of walking. |
Trust me. I get it. It's called patience. If you don't have enough to just wait some then try getting on the first ride back to your island. Then again, just keep ranting about it and perhaps after wisdom kicks in you'll realize that there's nothing wrong with the system or you'll invent a teleporter I'll stand to be corrected. Waiting is part of life. Get used to it. |
You don't get it at all. You claim there's "nothing wrong with the system." Any system which rewards the inconsiderate is not working. So yes there is something "wrong with the system."
Do facile statements such as "waiting is a part of life" pass for wisdom on "the island" that you're from? I'll be sure to patiently avoid visiting it. |
Why is it that people think rules of consideration are somehow universal or cross-culturally similar products?
야! 멍청아...한국에서 한국사람들의 시각으로 좀 생각해라...비행기 금방 내렸는데, 한국사람들의 문제를 다 해결할 수 있다고 생각하냐?? 아직 한국문화 잘 모르는거네...반드시 한국어와 한국문화 먼저 배우고, 그 다음에 해결법이나 대안책을 만들어서 서울시청으로 추천이나 보내면 되잖아..한국어 못 하면 걍 열심히 딱치고, 할 수 있도록 한국에서 조용히 살아라....-_- you give foreigners in the country a bad name...in several ways. Honestly? Waiting at an escalator....? (I just pray you're not from my home country...the US? Please say it ain't so. Please say it ain't so.)
What makes you think the world was made for your convenience or consideration? Inconsiderate? Silly person...yes...you really are living on an island if you think escalator etiquette or signs and stickers placed on the railings near them hold the same power or significance all over the world.
Silly...yes...silly you are.
In fact, I think it's quite "inconsiderate" for taxi drivers to stop at obviously unnecessary crosswalks regardless of the red light. But go figure, maybe I've learned how "they" think. And I guess I'm also grown up enough to know that, push come to shove, I can either walk through the world aimlessly bitching and complaining or invest in a car. Hopefully you're working on the schematics for that teleportation device. And when you're done, let me know. I'll help you get a patent.
By the way, mon ami, we are definitely on different islands; I live and study IN Korea, not just on the whining periphery. Grow up! (oops...crap c'est tres facile aussi, n'est pas?...-_-). |
Cultural relativism--it's amazing how enegetically some people defend such a lazy way of thinking. Your either love or leave it line of argument, which is your only argument here and before, is further evidence of your
intellectual laziness. And since three's a charm, let me add that your teleportation joke is still falling flat.
As for investing in a car, does that mean you drive and don't take the subway becasue you don't like waiting and just want to preach at others?
BTW, to learn how someone thinks and to accept that line of thought are two different things. I guess you haven't gotten that far in your studies. |
By the way, if you read what I wrote earlier, I explained the reason why Koreans are not really into following your "escalator etiquette." If you don't have time to scroll up, I'll spell it out for you: they don't have a escalator etiquette, because they simply haven't had escalators or even the walking etiquettes that you may be familiar with in your own country. It's not so easy to tell everyone "Hey, walk on the right side" or "Walk on the left side" when you've spent most of your history without the notion of sides.
OK, so now they have cars. But have you ever seen the turning system here...amazingly retarded from my US perspective, but Koreans don't seem to have much problem following (though they were thinking recently of changing it).
The point is: why are you trying to force feed an etiquette that simply doesn't exist here. OK, you don't like it, but until Korean people feel a need to change it themselves on a social conscious-level, I don't see any reason for throwing around your non-Korean moral compass, using blanketed terms like "system" and condescending one's like "inconsiderate," when you can likely barely go through one full day without dishing out your native garble with a group of Koreans.
Perhaps if you sit and learn more than judge and complain, then you'd see that between all that linguistic contorting and convoluted notions in your brain, there's a lot more going behind the scenes. Believe it or not, the longer you live in a foreign country and the more you learn about it, the less sense it makes to you--not the other way around. But at least you can see the distinctive reasons for why you spent years in the dark.
You're far from living in Korea if you think that escalator etiquette makes any sense here. There's nothing inconsiderate about Koreans standing where they chose. The biggest, brightest flashing arrow in the middle of Sadang station ain't gonna make people suddenly think that they should obey when they never obey such signs on the street.
Get real. |
You give yourself away with your example of the traffic lights. Look at how many car accidents and deaths there are in Korea compared to other nations. It's not working very well. What's going on "behind the scenes" there?
Is it really that difficult to see and understand that walking on one side of the street makes it easier for everyone? How long did it take you to figure that out? You do see how it works, right?
Many think that human altruism is an evolutionary trait derived from the higher chances of survival that cooperation brings. It makes people safer on the streets just as it makes it easier to arrive at your destination.
But hey, feel free to continue on with your apologies and insults. There's no bright, flashing arrow requiring you to think before you post. |
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