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The Floating World
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| johnnyenglishteacher2 wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
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| Can't we put an end to nationalistic arguments on here? Or if we are going to have them, can't they be constructive? Or are people simply having too much fun? |
You're talking to the guy who said this, right?:
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| Anyone suggesting the us has lower violent crime stats than the uk is frankly an imbecile. |
Because the rest of us are adults uninterested in nationalistic pissing contests, whereas the poster who posted this has a pattern of trying to ignite nationalistic fervor (and blaming those who disagree with him for starting it). |
I don't just mean this thread. I'm not going to go through all the past threads looking for examples, but I've seen the "my country is better than your country" line quite a few times on this forum, which is quite a shame. To be fair though, I think that people from all of the large, highly developed countries tend to assume that their nation is the bestest one in the whole wide world. Having lived in France at a time when French national pride hit 10 on the smug-o-meter (just after they'd added the 2000 European Championships to their 1998 World Cup win), and having friends from Germany and Scandinavia, I would say it's fairly common. |
You realise this board is essentially dominated by two groups?
Korean apologists and u know who apologists. Hence kuros being able to 'play to the audience.' You think Julius is full of spite? Wait until yaya gets started on an anti europe rant!
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TheUrbanMyth
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| Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Julius wrote: |
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| I'll give you this though, US rank in the top 5 murder capitals of the world |
Americans don't riot en masse for no reason though.
They're also conscientious enough not to smash up their own neighborhoods just to steal from shops and other people.
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Seattle 1999--protesting the WTO meeting
Cincinnati 2001--the shooting of Timothy Thomas
These are fairly recent and rank among the 10 most destructive riots (in America) of all time. |
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Butterfly
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| Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 11:16 pm Post subject: |
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| This thread is making me cringe. |
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Julius
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| Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 8:52 am Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
Seattle 1999--protesting the WTO meeting
Cincinnati 2001--the shooting of Timothy Thomas
These are fairly recent and rank among the 10 most destructive riots (in America) of all time. |
Those were for a reason. legitimate protest.
UK was just a case of human vermin stealing goods and burning down buildings for fun. trashing their own neighbourhoods. For some reason I can't quite picture americans doing the same.
the UK has fallen far, very far, from what it once was. |
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johnnyenglishteacher2
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| Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 9:55 am Post subject: |
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| Julius wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
Seattle 1999--protesting the WTO meeting
Cincinnati 2001--the shooting of Timothy Thomas
These are fairly recent and rank among the 10 most destructive riots (in America) of all time. |
Those were for a reason. legitimate protest.
UK was just a case of human vermin stealing goods and burning down buildings for fun. trashing their own neighbourhoods. For some reason I can't quite picture americans doing the same.
the UK has fallen far, very far, from what it once was. |
Number of people killed in the LA race riots of 1992: 53 (following a police beating). Injured: Thousands.
Number of people killed in the UK riots of 2011: 5 (following a police shooting). Injured: 16 members of the public, a couple of hundred police.
And guess what, most Brits and (I'm sure) Americans are sick when they see things like this happening, and neither nation should be judged by the behaviour of a SMALL MINORITY.
99% of Brits and Americans would never dream of airing their grievances by burning down shops or beating up an innocent person as part of a gang.
BTW, if the Brits don't deserve the tag of "civilised nation" because of the aggressive behaviour you saw in the inner cities, do the Italians, Spanish, French, etc. also deserve not to be referred to as civilised because of the aggressive and reckless way in which so many of them drive? |
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Julius wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
Seattle 1999--protesting the WTO meeting
Cincinnati 2001--the shooting of Timothy Thomas
These are fairly recent and rank among the 10 most destructive riots (in America) of all time. |
Those were for a reason. legitimate protest.
UK was just a case of human vermin stealing goods and burning down buildings for fun. trashing their own neighbourhoods. For some reason I can't quite picture americans doing the same.
the UK has fallen far, very far, from what it once was. |
So, people in the US never steal things for fun or commit arson?
People in the US have never rioted and set things afire after a sporting event?
People in Detroit never set a bunch of stuff on fire for Devil's Night?
People in the US don't commit the crime of vandalism?
You see Julius, the proper way to determine if something happens in America is to define it, in this case arson, vandalism, theft, and then see if such things occur in the country in question. It is not determined by saying "that would never happen".
And Julius, mind answering my questions about Detroit and Gary, IN and if there are comparable places in the UK? |
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The Floating World
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| Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 6:07 pm Post subject: |
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| the UK has fallen far, very far, from what it once was. |
Nothing is nor never was 'what it once was.'
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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| So, people in the US never steal things for fun or commit arson? |
Countrywide? for no particular reason? No.
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| People in the US have never rioted and set things afire after a sporting event? |
Countrywide? for no particular reason? No.
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| People in Detroit never set a bunch of stuff on fire for Devil's Night? |
Countrywide? for no particular reason? No.
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| People in the US don't commit the crime of vandalism? |
Countrywide? for no particular reason? No.
Britain used to be looked up to by numerous other countries in the world. They were expected to set an example of civil and gentlemanly behaviour.
Instead when you go there you find its just an overpriced armpit of degeneracy. |
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Kuros
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| Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 7:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Julius wrote: |
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| So, people in the US never steal things for fun or commit arson? |
Countrywide? for no particular reason? No.
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| People in the US have never rioted and set things afire after a sporting event? |
Countrywide? for no particular reason? No.
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| People in Detroit never set a bunch of stuff on fire for Devil's Night? |
Countrywide? for no particular reason? No.
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| People in the US don't commit the crime of vandalism? |
Countrywide? for no particular reason? No.
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Ha ha ha ha.
Steelrails won't admit the banksters are the biggest thieves in America. |
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aq8knyus
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| Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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@Julius
Britain was only ever looked up to by other countries because we owned most of them.
Could you be more specific as to when this golden age of civility existed? Our tiny island has a very violent history.
Also there is no definitive reason for why the riots happened, all we know is the catalyst. The Guardian in cooperation with the LSE have published a report called reading the riots. They note how motivations for the riots were more complex than the usual 'because they're scum'.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/series/reading-the-riots |
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The Floating World
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| Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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Julius is just trolling / baiting.
Read back and see that the thread started out about freedom of speech and then when I posted examples showing that freedom of speech in the us was no as FREE as Kuros thought it was, the uk bashers started banging on about violent crime and derailed the thread.
The posting of the thread itself in fact was in retalliation to the freedom of speech thread where several nonamercan posters challanged the notion that the us has the best freedom of speech in the world.
Childish.
Anyway violent crime.
Sure there was no looting during the LA riots. 
Crack ghettos, daily shootings inside and outside of schools don't happen.
Drive by shootings and jackings etc are a daily event there.
These things make national news when they happen in Britain. |
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| Julius wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| So, people in the US never steal things for fun or commit arson? |
Countrywide? for no particular reason? No.
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| People in the US have never rioted and set things afire after a sporting event? |
Countrywide? for no particular reason? No.
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| People in Detroit never set a bunch of stuff on fire for Devil's Night? |
Countrywide? for no particular reason? No.
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| People in the US don't commit the crime of vandalism? |
Countrywide? for no particular reason? No.
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Ha ha ha ha.
Steelrails won't admit the banksters are the biggest thieves in America. |
Really? Where did I say that.
It's yo who won't admit that the poor can be a bunch of thieves without any morality and simply because they are poor does not make them more virtuous.
So because bankers are bigger thieves, that makes it okay for poor people or middle class people to steal as well? |
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bigverne
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| Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 2:26 am Post subject: |
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| They note how motivations for the riots were more complex than the usual 'because they're scum'. |
But, do you really think that those involved in the rioting (of those brought before the courts a majority have previous criminal convictions) are going to give truthful responses to these surveys. How many are going to give the stock excuses of deprivation, racism, and police brutality, rather than admit that they simply wanted to steal some stuff? |
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Julius
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| Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 4:00 am Post subject: |
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| Britain was only ever looked up to by other countries because we owned most of them. |
Thats a typically very simplistic, modern, revisionist view of history.
No....Britain was respected because of what it represented: ideals of fairness, hard work, civility and civilisation: advancement, intellectual and material advancement: innovation: vision: standards of behaviour and ethics.
None of those things characterise Britain today.
"Owning" several foreign territories had nothing to do with it. Britain was respected even in countries that it did not "own". It was the behaviour of the people- the way they responsibly led by example. The empire was overwhelmingly a force for good and those at the helm believed it to be so.
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| Could you be more specific as to when this golden age of civility existed? Our tiny island has a very violent history. |
In your childish view you base credibility on violence or material ownership/ wealth. Actually authority is not based on either of those.
Previous Britons did not have such degenerate notions. It used to be a country of morality and direction. Nowadays its inhabitants have forgotten the meaning of the word. |
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The Floating World
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| Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 5:16 am Post subject: |
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No....Britain was respected because of what it represented: ideals of fairness, hard work, civility and civilisation: advancement, intellectual and material advancement: innovation: vision: standards of behaviour and ethics.
None of those things characterise Britain today |
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More simplistic derision.
Ideals of fairness are still alive and well, in fact too much so, we have the same kinds of innovation killing 'affirmative action' as is happening in the us, it's just called a different name.
As for the rest of the things you mention (which are hard to quantify), are you saying they are less alive than in other countries?
Are you going to back up your empty claim with examples and comparisons?
awaiting with baited breath. |
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