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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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 Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 4:50 am Post subject: |
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So if it's staged, gotta wonder what the producer's motive is by showing the faked outcomes like that. What's the point?
Is it... We should treat Southeast Asians better.
OR... We shouldn't treat whites so well.
OR... We should treat everyone equally.
OR... (?)
If it were a real test though, it still wasn't equal. Not only did the two guys ask completely different questions, but they had different scores on the dork richter scale. On the dork richter scale, the white guy scores a 3.5 and the Asian scores a 4.5 (maybe 4 if he removes the circa 1989 blue puffy coat). |
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v88
Joined: 28 Feb 2010
Location: here
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| Posted: Fri Dec 09, 2011 5:30 am Post subject: |
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I live in Ansan and it seems that most Koreans here, including my wife, think that the factory workers are the cause of the crime here. While I am aware that factory workers can cause problems they are hardly the root of the cities problems. Most Koreans here will provide you with a story about a Chinese immigrant who chopped up his girlfriend and left her in a suitcase in the subway station as proof.
Sadly, since this incident, an 8 year old Korean girl was abducted and brutally raped, a series of women were killed by a serial killer and a young girl was thrown off the roof of her apartment by a 12 year old. Koreans were responsible for all of these cases yet I have found it hard to argue with Koreans about the validity of their feelings.
My own wife feels uncomfortable in the foreign district yet was never phased by the *beep* houses run by gangsters that she had to walk past everyday in order to get to our house.
Koreans have an unrealistic view of dark skinned immigrants. Which is sad, because Korea has a pretty coloured past rooted in factory work, gangs and corrupt politicians. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 5:25 am Post subject: |
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| Lol what. How many southeast Asians in Korea stop you in the street to sell you something. I have encountered zero. But I've had lots of Koreans (sometimes even whites) from cults and churches trying to convert me on the street. Maybe I should ignore every Korean and white person trying to get directions in case they may be trying to convert me. |
I've encountered lots! They are either...
-struggling workers trying to sell over-run socks or something
-students who need extra money
-working for some unknown aid organization |
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ovid
Joined: 30 May 2007
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| Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 4:29 pm Post subject: |
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| This experiment could have been done well and likely would have had some of the same results, but in its current incarnation is fairly useless. |
This wasn't a case experiment, but rather an opening to discussion and I think it was really great for EBS to do something like this. Many people hate to admit that they're somewhat racist, sexist, etc. (which we all are, some more than others). When they see something like this, they're more open to think, "Do I do really do this? Why is this wrong?".
I actually used this as a lesson for high school students and asked them what they think would happen. They knew why I was showing it and predictably answered, "the dirty man". I asked why, and even shy students who didn't respond gave some pretty disparaging adjectives.
However, once they saw what happened (the dramatic music was a bit much), we had an open discussion on how it would feel like to be that guy and that if they were in the United States, they could face the same discrimination.
No matter how badly an experiment is run (ie. Stanford Prison Experiment), there are always so many things people can learn and take from it... [/img] |
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 5:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Mix1 wrote: |
So if it's staged, gotta wonder what the producer's motive is by showing the faked outcomes like that. What's the point?
Is it... We should treat Southeast Asians better.
OR... We shouldn't treat whites so well.
OR... We should treat everyone equally.
OR... (?)
If it were a real test though, it still wasn't equal. Not only did the two guys ask completely different questions, but they had different scores on the dork richter scale. On the dork richter scale, the white guy scores a 3.5 and the Asian scores a 4.5 (maybe 4 if he removes the circa 1989 blue puffy coat). |
I once saw a KBS broadcast for that show adopted koreans trying to reunite with their birth parents.
1. The audience reaction is all staged. They are part-time workers. The clapping, the "ahhhh!" and the "Oooohhh" are all timed and staged.
2. Although the program is real (real people trying to find real lost relatives), the extra "drama" was clearly staged.
3. The point of the show is ratings. You know that show about Animals "동물의 농장?? I think is the name). What's the point of that show re-enacting animal abuse? I saw in that show they left a dog with a broken leg to limp around in pain for an entire day to get good camera shots before giving it treatment.
The whole point is to get a reaction out of the viewer (YOU). You watch the SE Asian guy and you think "That's messed up.". That is the WHOLE POINT of that segment.
Try and understand TV. Any show with a producer means its most likely fake. You know in the US, shows like Pawn Stars, Repo, and other supposedly "real shows" are all completely staged. |
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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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| Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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| pkang0202 wrote: |
| Mix1 wrote: |
So if it's staged, gotta wonder what the producer's motive is by showing the faked outcomes like that. What's the point?
Is it... We should treat Southeast Asians better.
OR... We shouldn't treat whites so well.
OR... We should treat everyone equally.
OR... (?)
If it were a real test though, it still wasn't equal. Not only did the two guys ask completely different questions, but they had different scores on the dork richter scale. On the dork richter scale, the white guy scores a 3.5 and the Asian scores a 4.5 (maybe 4 if he removes the circa 1989 blue puffy coat). |
I once saw a KBS broadcast for that show adopted koreans trying to reunite with their birth parents.
1. The audience reaction is all staged. They are part-time workers. The clapping, the "ahhhh!" and the "Oooohhh" are all timed and staged.
2. Although the program is real (real people trying to find real lost relatives), the extra "drama" was clearly staged.
3. The point of the show is ratings. You know that show about Animals "동물의 농장?? I think is the name). What's the point of that show re-enacting animal abuse? I saw in that show they left a dog with a broken leg to limp around in pain for an entire day to get good camera shots before giving it treatment.
The whole point is to get a reaction out of the viewer (YOU). You watch the SE Asian guy and you think "That's messed up.". That is the WHOLE POINT of that segment.
Try and understand TV. Any show with a producer means its most likely fake. You know in the US, shows like Pawn Stars, Repo, and other supposedly "real shows" are all completely staged. |
No doubt. Stating the obvious. I do "understand TV" and never argued it wasn't faked.
Obviously "that's messed up" is a vague superficial reaction. I was curious if maybe the motive was more specific or went any deeper, but I guess it was rhetorical, since unless one of us knows the producer, we'll likely never know the "WHOLE POINT" of that segment. |
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comm
Joined: 22 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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| ovid wrote: |
This wasn't a case experiment, but rather an opening to discussion and I think it was really great for EBS to do something like this. Many people hate to admit that they're somewhat racist, sexist, etc. (which we all are, some more than others). When they see something like this, they're more open to think, "Do I do really do this? Why is this wrong?". |
QFT
I think that everyone is racist to one degree or another, in the broadest sense (that is, interactions are effected by appearance, which includes race). Exercises such as this allow people to examine their own actions.
Also, I really doubt it was staged. It would have been a lot more trouble to hire extras than to just film until you got the desired result. |
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Yaya
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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About the adoptee reunion program, well, the Korean birth parents have to look like they are sorry and regretful over putting up their kids for adoption. Whether they are really sorry and regretful is another thing altogether.
Shame is the name of the game in Asia, not guilt. |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Yaya wrote: |
| About the adoptee reunion program, well, the Korean birth parents have to look like they are sorry and regretful over putting up their kids for adoption. Whether they are really sorry and regretful is another thing altogether. |
My friend's parents did the reunion thing and played nice for awhile, then she got into Columbia and they started asking when she was going to come "home" to Korea to take care of them. And asked her adoptive parents to let her biological brother live with them and go to high school in the States. And if they could pay for his college education after he finished up the whole high school thing. I'm pretty sure the relationship has since ended.
Then again, that's all tangential, as it wasn't on television. |
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Yaya
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 9:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Yep, the ssakigun (user) factor comes into play. They have no shame asking for money despite giving up their kids for adoption. Pathetic! |
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The Floating World
Joined: 01 Oct 2011
Location: Here
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| Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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| predictably answered, "the dirty man". |
Come on now. Really? |
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 12:59 am Post subject: |
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| Yaya wrote: |
About the adoptee reunion program, well, the Korean birth parents have to look like they are sorry and regretful over putting up their kids for adoption. Whether they are really sorry and regretful is another thing altogether.
Shame is the name of the game in Asia, not guilt. |
I want to clarify that when I mean "extra drama" I am referring to the way the show is produced. The actual adoptees that are on the show are not staging their emotions or trying to put on a show. They are genuine. The way they are portrayed by the shows directors/producers by edits, camera zooms, Korean commentary, etc... is purely aimed at eliciting a response from the viewer. |
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