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PatrickBateman
Joined: 08 Jun 2009 Location: American Gardens Building, West 81st Street
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Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 6:23 pm Post subject: Okay, so I switch to KEB for bank transfers and money is.... |
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...still missing.
Now tell me if I'm missing something here because MORE money has magically disappeared.
Step 1: Give 400,000 won to KEB to transfer to my US BANK account.
Step 2: They deduct 13,000 won as a fee to transfer.
Step 3: $335.01 is being sent to my US BANK account.
Step 4: My US BANK account reflects only 316.01 with the transfer.
Step 5: US BANK takes their $25.00 fee out for the wire transfer.
Okay. Once again, WHERE DID THE $19.00 GO!?
Last time it was $25.00 with Shinhan, and now it's $19.00 with KEB.
Both banks offer up NO explanation. |
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PatrickBateman
Joined: 08 Jun 2009 Location: American Gardens Building, West 81st Street
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Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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KEB just told me that my American bank account does not deal with foreign currently, so KEB transfers to another bank and THEN they transfer to my US BANK account.
So in total, I get hit with three charges.
What the f**k.
Time to change banks at home. |
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BigBuds

Joined: 15 Sep 2005 Location: Changwon
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Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 8:53 pm Post subject: |
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I've had this explained to me before but most of the time they don't tell you, and they wonder why we come back in saying, "WTF!"
The Korean banks use a middle-man bank so to speak (Sorry, but I forget the name of the bank now. It's not Korean, though).
Your money goes from your Korean bank who takes a cut, to the Middle-man bank who takes a cut, and then finally onto your bank back home who also takes a cut.
I have had no luck on getting it explained to me why they use a middle-man bank and can't just transfer it directly to a bank, like most banks do. |
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PatrickBateman
Joined: 08 Jun 2009 Location: American Gardens Building, West 81st Street
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Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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It's strange.
I've been here for a couple of year and this has only happened recently. Before it would show up as a transfer from the bank(Korean) here in my account.
Is it some scam with American banks where they can just take money out of my transfers?
KEB said they have a list of banks that ALLOW transfers from foreign banks, so I will look into that.
But yeah, it will cost me around $60 to transfer money home each time.
Very, very, annoying. |
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pkang0202

Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 12:09 am Post subject: |
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From my other post:
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The reason is that Shinhan (or KEB) doesn't have the EXACT swift code of the bank you are sending your money to. So, your remittance went to a 3rd party and then to your home bank account. Along with a $25 fee.
With KEB, when I sent money they asked where my bank account was. I bank with Bank of America, but I live in Virginia. The only Bank of America they had in their system was Bank of America (S.F). which is the San Francisco office.
When they tried to wire the money to my Virginia BoA account, I got hit with the extra $25 fine. The next time I went in and told them to wire to the BoA (S.F) they had in their system. At first KEB complained saying they coudln't do that because that branch didn't match my home banking address.
I had to explain to them that Bank of America was a nation-wide bank and that my account number is the same anywhere in the US.
Well, they wired it to the BoA in their system and I didn't get any extra wire fees.
So, in order to avoid the $25 fee, you gotta make sure the bank in question is in the KEB's system. Its not a KEB/Shinhan thing. It has more to do with whether the Bank Teller knows what the hell they are doing. |
Usually, when you wire money, the KEB worker pulls out this 3 ring binder with the list of banks and their SWIFT codes. Bank of America (S.F) was in that binder but Bank of America (Virginia) was not.
If your bank is listed in that binder, you have the teller use the code in that binder. If your bank is NOT in that binder, then you will get hit with a $25 fee while your money is routed through a middle bank.
The system works like this:
IF YOUR BANK CODE EXISTS:
KEB ----> Your Home Bank
If your BANK CODE does NOT EXIST:
KEB ----> 3rd Party Bank that attempts to Locate your bank and takes a $25 fee -----> Your home bank. |
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PatrickBateman
Joined: 08 Jun 2009 Location: American Gardens Building, West 81st Street
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Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:23 am Post subject: |
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How does the bank land into their binder? Do I have to tell them about it? If it's not in there, CAN it be placed in there? She told me on the phone that some banks are in there and some are not.
Thanks for the post about that!  |
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MegaMind
Joined: 12 Sep 2011 Location: Gangnam-Gu
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Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:27 am Post subject: Possible Transfer Remedy |
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Similarly, like I am sure many other expats in South Korea, I face the same scenario of losing out on transfers.
So from a tip from a friend, I heard that a Charles Schwab account does the trick. I have not checked all the stats, so there might be glitch, crack, or catch somewhere. However, from a cursory glimpse at their website, it looks good so far, i.e. worth a more detailed look.
For starters, they offer a no - fee U.S. dollar debit card. Plus, they seem to be claiming great rates for foreign currency money transfers.
Here's their page: www.schwab-global.com/public/schwab-gcb-en/what_we_offer?cmsid=P-954240&lvl1=what_we_offer
If you set-up an account with them before I do, please share some feedback. |
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shostahoosier
Joined: 14 Apr 2009
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Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 4:35 pm Post subject: Re: Possible Transfer Remedy |
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MegaMind wrote: |
Similarly, like I am sure many other expats in South Korea, I face the same scenario of losing out on transfers.
So from a tip from a friend, I heard that a Charles Schwab account does the trick. I have not checked all the stats, so there might be glitch, crack, or catch somewhere. However, from a cursory glimpse at their website, it looks good so far, i.e. worth a more detailed look.
For starters, they offer a no - fee U.S. dollar debit card. Plus, they seem to be claiming great rates for foreign currency money transfers.
Here's their page: www.schwab-global.com/public/schwab-gcb-en/what_we_offer?cmsid=P-954240&lvl1=what_we_offer
If you set-up an account with them before I do, please share some feedback. |
Charles Schwab is a great bank and it's true that they dont charge for incoming international wires.
Unfortunately however, you will still get hit with the "phantom fee" charged by some mysterious middle bank. KEB and Schwab will not be able to tell you who took it. I tried to find that answer and they just pointed the finger at eachother.
I have heard that Schwab now accepts deposits by photo. Theoretically you could buy a money order and deposit. However, I'm not sure if that will work in this case because usually with photo deposits the checks/money orders need to be domestic.
If that did work though, it would be a fast, cheap way to cut out the middle man! |
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pkang0202

Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 5:38 pm Post subject: Re: Possible Transfer Remedy |
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shostahoosier wrote: |
Charles Schwab is a great bank and it's true that they dont charge for incoming international wires.
Unfortunately however, you will still get hit with the "phantom fee" charged by some mysterious middle bank. KEB and Schwab will not be able to tell you who took it. I tried to find that answer and they just pointed the finger at eachother. |
It is NOT a phantom fee.
You want to send money from a Korean account to any bank account in the world. Every bank has a specific "CODE", like an address. If the Korean Bank has the right CODE for the receiving bank, the wire goes straight through:
Korean Bank --> Receiving Bank.
Now, if the Korean Bank does NOT have the right CODE, or the CODE is correct but the account is not listed, or for whatever reason something doesn't match up then:
Korean Bank --> 3rd Party US bank (usually a banking partner) finds the correct bank to send the money too, taking $25 fee for doing so ---> Receiving Bank.
I don't know about other Korean Banks, but I was hit by a $25 fee by JP Morgan. KEB tried to send the money to my Virginia Bank of America account. KEB did not have a CODE for Bank of America (Richmond). So, the process was:
KEB Bank --> JP Morgan (I found Bank of America Richmond, passing the wire along. I'll take my $25) --> Bank of America Richmond.
On my next wire, I specifically asked KEB about the charge. That is when I discovered about the bank CODES. I asked them if they had a CODE for Bank of America. The teller told me they only have one for Bank of America (S.F.) and none for Bank of America Richmond. I told her to wire it to the S.F. branch. She objected at first and I told her it was the same company and a wire going there will still land in my account.
She did as I told her and my money went:
Korean Bank --> Receiving bank. No $25 charge. |
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PatrickBateman
Joined: 08 Jun 2009 Location: American Gardens Building, West 81st Street
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Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 1:22 am Post subject: |
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So if I tell KEB that I want them wired to a bank that is on their list(A US BANK OF COURSE) it should be cool? |
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pkang0202

Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 1:46 am Post subject: |
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PatrickBateman wrote: |
So if I tell KEB that I want them wired to a bank that is on their list(A US BANK OF COURSE) it should be cool? |
If its in their little 3 ring binder, then its cool. |
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noobteacher
Joined: 27 Nov 2009
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Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 2:57 am Post subject: |
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Alright, sounds like y'all need to go back to KEB and talk to people who know what they are doing.
I bank with BofA in the US and KEB here in Korea. When I used to do transfers with KB, I would go to the branch fill out the papers, and get hit with the 2 or 3 different bank charges. Then I went to KEB and opened up an "Easy One Foreign Currency Remittance Service" account. All I have to do now is transfer money from my KEB savings account into the Remittance account (via ATM), and within a few hours it gets transferred into my US account for a mere 15,000 won. No missing money, no extra fees from BofA, no waiting for days for it to show up in my US account, no muss no fuss. I believe that the amount of the fee is also dependent upon how much you transfer, but you'll still be getting a much better deal than you would with all the crazy fees included.
ETA: Ok, maybe I happened to have someone enter my BofA info with the correct code (as was mentioned earlier), but I also think having the correct kind of account with KEB also helps tremendously. |
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cj1371
Joined: 13 Sep 2011
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Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 4:09 pm Post subject: |
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I do quite a lot of international wire transfers and always get hit with this fee.
The "middle man" is actually called an intermediary or correspondent bank. It's explained much better than I could explain it here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wire_transfer
Hope that helps. |
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