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The meaning of ART and a steaming pile of vomit
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Panda



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 10:53 pm    Post subject: The meaning of ART and a steaming pile of vomit Reply with quote

Finally, my friend and I managed to see the exhibition < Monet to Warhol> in Busan Modern Art Museum on the very last day.

Except the fact there were only one Monet and one Warhol. I pretty enjoyed the show because it's kept me thinking and thinking these day of the meaning of art:

I never pretend I understand the deep meaning of any art. Because i don't think there is any deep meaning of some art.

Besides all the abstract paintings, for example. there was a pile of painted logs and bricks ( which you can find in every grandpa's yard) .

a flattened paper box in dark green paint (hanging on the wall) .

an aluminum window (which you can find in many buildings here).

3 tables hanging on wall with all food utensils and left over glued on the tables.

There was even a real fire extinguisher that you might think which belongs to the French museum and was brought here by mistake.


It pissed me off to try to find out how superior this flattened paper box is compared to the piles of paper boxes I see everyday the garbage man collects in my neighborhood.

For very long, the criteria i'd apply for art is "weather or not I want to put it in my home to just look at". But this exhibition changed my mind .


I think everything can be art, as long as they give you the awe, the emotion, even just a weird feeling. It doesn't have to be symmetrical or neat, it can be meaningless as well.


On the way back home that afternoon. I looked at everything around me and found them very pleasant , I thught....this <Monet to Warhol> was a very good exhibition.


Laughing


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pkang0202



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 12:06 am    Post subject: Re: The meaning of ART Reply with quote

Panda wrote:



I think everything can be art, as long as they give you the awe, the emotion, even just a weird feeling. It doesn't have to be symmetrical or neat, it can be meaningless as well.


Reminds me of my friend's art project at University. I went to VCU, whose Art School is rated as one of the top programs in the US.

My friend procrastinated on his art project and the day came to present his "work". He said he took a coat hanger, balled up the wire making it spherical. Then he glued that to a piece of wood and named the piece "Ball of Wire". He did this like 2 hours before class.


He got an F.
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tfunk



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Art is one of those words that has conventional usage but also an abstract usage. Some art is pretty, some art is intended as a metaphor.

I think it's grandiose for some artists not to explain, or at least give a clue, as to the context of their work. It's as if by obfuscating the meaning they've elevated its importance.

The viewer gets the feeling they're being hoodwinked, like somethings phony. It irritates me.

I once asked an artist what her painting was about (it was abstract) and she responded "what do you mean, what does it mean? it's art, I don't know what it means".
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Panda



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 2:34 am    Post subject: Re: The meaning of ART Reply with quote

pkang0202 wrote:


My friend procrastinated on his art project and the day came to present his "work". He said he took a coat hanger, balled up the wire making it spherical. Then he glued that to a piece of wood and named the piece "Ball of Wire". He did this like 2 hours before class.

He got an F.



There were several stuffs I saw that day which I believed it took less than 2 hours to finish, there was a huge canvas, stained by oil; another board with almost nothing on it except a tiny piece of torn paper with something written on it.

If that professor gave your friend an F, will the world class master piece make any differences? Art is so mysterious.

tfunk wrote:


I think it's grandiose for some artists not to explain, or at least give a clue, as to the context of their work. It's as if by obfuscating the meaning they've elevated its importance.



However all art exhibitions put a tiny tiny label plate besides every art piece, in front of which everyone looks like some very uncomfortable turtle who is sticking their neck out as much as possible.

After reading many incomprehensible label plates, I stopped reading and just checked the stuffs and guessed.

I like abstract paintings in general though, as your friend said, the author might not understand the art either. I just appreciate them as I sometimes close my eyes and press my eyeballs and enjoy the patterns I see in the dark (who else does that ????)
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schwa



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 2:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like the OP's point.

Artists can elevate the mundane & life becomes a gallery.
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Stout



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 3:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

schwa wrote:
I like the OP's point.

Artists can elevate the mundane & life becomes a gallery.


True dat...or it can lead u to mistake crystal for diamonds...in any case, definitely better to start and test one's aesthetic senses (regardless of initial results) rather than sit back and become another spoonfed casualty only aware of what's on TV, in the dailies, and the latest trending sensations/'standard official information' created by corporate/government interests
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The Floating World



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 3:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Art is Scarlett Johanson wearing pink nylon hot pants and a boob tube.
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crisdean



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 4:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As I've come to understand it art is a bunch of morons in a room going ooh and aah over a steaming pile of vomit.
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Panda



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 7:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

crisdean wrote:
As I've come to understand it art is a bunch of morons in a room going ooh and aah over a steaming pile of vomit.



ooh...
aah...


I changed the title of the thread so that it is very artistic now.

In China, the most precious food is exactly the vomit of a specific bird which the birds use to build their nest. Eating that is an art.

IMO, You made a point somehow which is: art can be appreciated better when there are more people show their interest.

Recently my friend showed me a video of one of the top violists played in the subway station in Washington DC and few people stopped to check his playing.

It seems sometimes it's not the master piece itself attracts attention, it's the awareness of others attention draws our attention. Thus watching a pile of vomit probably can make an art.
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magni



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was fortunate (or unfortunate) enough to attend a couple of the best art schools in the world for my undergrad and I'll tell you straight up that there is some work that is utter bullsh*t. Most of the time though, it isn't- any respected professional artist (not hobbiest) is basically required to provide any and every piece of work they make with a statement and/or essay on the work.

Now some people may disagree with me and say boxes on walls are boxes on walls, statement or not, but unfortunately artists often take little consideration into the average man, and would much rather blah on about how conceptual they are and capture the hearts of those rich guys who buy their stuff.

Right now I'm working on a body of work that some people might call inappropriate, or stupid, or whatever but meh. Some artists might say that the fact that this has become a topic and gotten people talking about the work is as important as the work itself. Often the meaning is more important than the piece.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 10:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

magni wrote:
people talking about the work is as important as the work itself.


For what reason?
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 4:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tfunk wrote:
magni wrote:
people talking about the work is as important as the work itself.


For what reason?


My take is Art is meant to evoke some kind of emotion, feeling, or reaction from the viewer. I think true artists can see a piece of work, see how it was created, and understand it.

I don't believe the nonsense that art is whatever you make of it. There is a story behind all art. There is a motive, an inspiration, and a reason for it.
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Panda



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

magni wrote:

Now some people may disagree with me and say boxes on walls are boxes on walls, statement or not, but unfortunately artists often take little consideration into the average man, and would much rather blah on about how conceptual they are and capture the hearts of those rich guys who buy their stuff.

Right now I'm working on a body of work that some people might call inappropriate, or stupid, or whatever but meh. Some artists might say that the fact that this has become a topic and gotten people talking about the work is as important as the work itself. Often the meaning is more important than the piece.



You are professional I am sure you understand well "the art of making art"

I agree artists should go far beyond the average people, but I don't agree good artists should only understand psychology of the buyers. because very often buys are also average people. Buyers are not the propellers of modern art.

Steve Jobs also said "You can't just ask customers what they want and then try to give that to them. ..... Our belief was that if we kept putting great products in front of customers, they would continue to open their wallets."

In the museum I saw a light box which looked very similar to the light box on top of every 7-11 and other convenient stores, keep it in mind the exhibited piece was made nearly 50 years ago, at the time none store would be decorated that way. However a very conceptual art finally became part of our life. I think that is real art.



Becoming of the topic is important I assume, for artists.
I seriously think those most expensive photos that ever taken are expensive rather because they are making ridiculous topics than because of their real beauty.

Ai Weiwei is considered as one of the top artists in the world partly because he knew how to create topics out of his arts. ( someone pointed out that he plagiarizes others all the time)
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madoka



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PostPosted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 7:10 pm    Post subject: Re: The meaning of ART and a steaming pile of vomit Reply with quote

Panda wrote:
On the way back home that afternoon. I looked at everything around me and found them very pleasant , I thught....this <Monet to Warhol> was a very good exhibition.


�You don't make art, you find it�
― Pablo Picasso
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 8:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

pkang0202 wrote:
tfunk wrote:
magni wrote:
people talking about the work is as important as the work itself.


For what reason?


My take is Art is meant to evoke some kind of emotion, feeling, or reaction from the viewer. I think true artists can see a piece of work, see how it was created, and understand it.

I don't believe the nonsense that art is whatever you make of it. There is a story behind all art. There is a motive, an inspiration, and a reason for it.


As a definition, that's generic. You could replace the word 'art' by the words 'uninformed opinion' in your explanation and it would still be semantically valid. The reason that people say "art is whatever you make of it" is often a jaded reaction against vague definitions, like what you've given, rather than a liberal interpretation of art.
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