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Leon
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 Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 5:11 am Post subject: |
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As these new numbers come out, things seem closer and closer to the bleak days and years of the Great Depression. At least so far, food stamps and unemployment, etc. are smoothing over the worst of the suffering. But the situation is shredding our view of American society and the American Dream. There is talk of status anxiety, and with good reason.
In 1958, for example, if someone lost his job he had the reasonable hope of finding another one, or if he found himself on the street he could plausibly be at fault. These days, if one in three are either working full time and still teetering on the edge of poverty, or is that unlucky 4 in 5 who applies and fails to land a job, then the society has failed him/her. At what point do you withdraw your consent to be governed by that system? |
I think this idea is worth pursuing.
Steelrails - do you agree that in a democracy, there exists in theory a mechanism by which the public can remove a disobedient government from power? How do you imagine this mechanism working? |
Though I am not Steelrails I'll take a stab at this. We have (and not just in theory) a mechanism to remove a government from power. It's called voting. |
Voting is insufficient, given the power of special interests. America needs some Constitutional changes. That's the mechanism I want employed. |
So if a significant majority of people voted against the wishes of the special interests, it wouldn't be sufficient? |
Their choice is Democrat or Republican. Which vote cast wouldn't be captured by special interests? |
Independent (like the NAIP for example...only an example if you don't like it)
If enough people voted for that to form a significant voting bloc...there'd be a few politicians angling for that...in fact said party has a large number of candidates already or so they claim).
If people continue to vote for one of the two main parties...they get what they deserve. |
Ha ha. Okay. You're not American. So you know the electoral college? It makes voting independent on the Federal level fruitless. |
But the electors have to get elected. Any electors who don't carry out their promises (like promising to vote for a 3rd party) should not get voted for again.
It would be easy to fix...if enough people cared. |
It's political science 101, in a single member district winner take all system there is always two political parties. In Europe there are more parties due to a system that gives representation proportionally. It takes to much money, and organizational heft, to be a successful independent in all but some rare cases. You have to either be a billionaire or already well known. It's why Ron Paul is a republican. It would not be easy to fix, it's how our system is designed.
The true fix is to get money out of campaigns so that politicians don't owe special interests favors. |
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The Floating World
Joined: 01 Oct 2011
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| Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 6:23 am Post subject: |
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| Or go Tyler Durden, project mayhem on everyone's butt. Bring down the whole system. Would the millitary step in then? |
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