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Yaya
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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| NohopeSeriously wrote: |
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0% chance of this happening. Coups need a lot of support and mostly from the military. And Korea hasn't had one in over 30 years. Also a coup would be economically disastrous for SK.
If it does happen I'll mail you both of my nuts and give you my first born son to sacrifice over Mt. Halla. |
Does it really have to be a coup? A total police strike in this country could likely bring down the government in one piece. |
Again, you post NOTHING to support your outrageous claims but I guess doing a little research is too tough for someone who probably never got past kindergarten. |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:28 am Post subject: |
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| NohopeSeriously wrote: |
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0% chance of this happening. Coups need a lot of support and mostly from the military. And Korea hasn't had one in over 30 years. Also a coup would be economically disastrous for SK.
If it does happen I'll mail you both of my nuts and give you my first born son to sacrifice over Mt. Halla. |
Does it really have to be a coup? A total police strike in this country could likely bring down the government in one piece. |
Why are you ranting this on a foriegners website? Most of us really don't care about Korean politics and have no need to be except for when it affects us as English teachers directly. Whatever you Koreans decide, I hope you can keep your democratic ways as I'm sure you will. Many nations bring their governments down all the time. It's called an election. No one needs to friek out and get all emotional.... |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 2:07 am Post subject: |
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| Not to disagree with you about NoHope, but a few of us do care about Korean politics...heck, some of us even vote here. |
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Stout
Joined: 28 May 2011
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| Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 7:04 am Post subject: |
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I'm totally against this sort of action, but you're saying that the party is behind it. Do you know that for sure?
And again, I ask - where was your outcry over the violence done by the liberals? One of them set off a tear gas canister to prevent a democratic vote - be sure to turn that critical eye in their direction as well. |
1. Why are you complaining now? Nobody was seriously hurt during the tear gas attack. And I'll ask again. Why are you complaining now?
2. GOOD NEWS, everyone! The Democratic Party has finally made an alliance with the Federation of Korean Trade Unions not too long ago!!!!  Leftist Korean (Gyopo) Christians need some support from the Korean trade unions.
The future looks very left-y for this country! |
1. Why now? It is fairly recent news. You bring up stuff from the 80's, and I bring up stuff from last month. hhmmmmmmm...
2. hahahhaa
Yup, here's your united Left! WEnjoy
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| In light of the Grand Nat'l Party's tampering with a major election (not the first time that a blatantly pro-US group has attempted to alter the outcome), a judge who doesn't speak out against those jackasses is basically a spineless tool. |
I'm totally against this sort of action, but you're saying that the party is behind it. Do you know that for sure?
And again, I ask - where was your outcry over the violence done by the liberals? One of them set off a tear gas canister to prevent a democratic vote - be sure to turn that critical eye in their direction as well. |
Oh, I agree that was a dumb thing for him to do, perhaps motivated by an urge to gain popular support. On the other hand, tear gas, water cannons in winter, and live artillery have been used by hardliners on citizens.
As for hardliners tampering with elections, Rhee Sungnam would be the most famous case (and backfired so bad he had to be ushered out of the country on a US military plane). In terms of the recent Seoul mayor election, I'll let u be the judge, Captain- |
Live artillery? When was that? decades ago??
Are we now dredging up every atrocity from the distant past? Should I now read off a list of atrocities committed by the Communists?
Seriously?
Why not stick to something in the past decade. I don't think we have to go much deeper than Noh and LMB to discuss the current state of affairs.
As to your proof of guilt... well, it's circumstantial at best... for now. If they did have a hand in it, I hope they go to prison and lose their seats. Just like I hope the guy who set off that tear gass canister goes to prison and losses his seat.
If lawmakers commit crimes, they need to be punished - regardless of party affiliation. |
Water canons used on civilians despite freezing temperatures a few weeks ago-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hu4QXK-QKqc&feature=related
There have also been reports of LMB's riot police using taser guns on union protesters, going so far as to taser them in the face. Then again, who needs tasers when u can just kick a girl's head in-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rS330b6fPH8
As for the GNP's involvement in the election site cyber attacks, here is the latest-
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2011/12/113_100819.html
The owner of an Internet firm that attacked the websites of the country�s election watchdog and an opposition candidate during the Oct. 26 by-elections received 100 million won ($86,500) from an aide to National Assembly Speaker Park Hee-tae, police said Wednesday.
Source of money
It was found out that a Cheong Wa Dae staffer dined with Park�s secretary as well as the secretaries of GNP lawmakers Gong Sung-jin and Chung Doo-un one day before the attack, an indication of the presidential office�s possible involvement.
According to police, the Internet firm owner, identified as Kang, 25, received 10 million won from a secretary of Rep. Park days before the by-election through an aide to Rep. Choi Gu-sik, the former public relations manager for the GNP.
Park�s secretary paid an additional 90 million won to Kang right after the attack on the websites of the National Election Commission (NEC) and the unified opposition candidate in Seoul�s mayoral race, Park Won-soon.
Now if you're still going to cling to the premise that this is "all circumstantial at best", I'd say your ability to discern what goes on in the world is shaky, at best. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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Yeah, I watched the video of the water cannons being used last month... and? Were those protesters doing anything illegal perhaps?
I've seen water cannons used by police in the past, and I've seen violence used by protesters in the past.
we've seen violence used by both sides - my issue is that you seem to only focus on one side.
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Again, dinners do not a crime make. Show money withdrawals and such. Get witnesses. Pull it all together - that's how a case is made. Simply saying that someone met with another someone = guilt. It sounds too much like the conspiracy theorists out there.
I'm not saying that there's not guilt there. And I've said before that if there is, I hope they pay dearly. But I am saying that as of now, it looks circumstantial. But let me ask you - when circumstantial evidence came out about the Left - did you also jump to GUILTY? I don't recall you on here talking about how the Education Superintendent paid money to his competitor to drop out of the race - mind showing me that critical post of yours?
Or is the Left immune from your ire? |
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Stout
Joined: 28 May 2011
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| Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 7:12 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, I watched the video of the water cannons being used last month... and? Were those protesters doing anything illegal perhaps?
I've seen water cannons used by police in the past, and I've seen violence used by protesters in the past.
we've seen violence used by both sides - my issue is that you seem to only focus on one side.
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Again, dinners do not a crime make. Show money withdrawals and such. Get witnesses. Pull it all together - that's how a case is made. Simply saying that someone met with another someone = guilt. It sounds too much like the conspiracy theorists out there.
I'm not saying that there's not guilt there. And I've said before that if there is, I hope they pay dearly. But I am saying that as of now, it looks circumstantial. But let me ask you - when circumstantial evidence came out about the Left - did you also jump to GUILTY? I don't recall you on here talking about how the Education Superintendent paid money to his competitor to drop out of the race - mind showing me that critical post of yours?
Or is the Left immune from your ire? |
Nah, I concur that anyone trying to pull a fast one ought to have to face the music.
It's simply a fact 'tho that in South Korea the hardliners are the ones who are responsible for the majority of massacres, cases of suppression, Gestapo-type illegal imprisonments/torture, media suppression/manipulation, etc., and often attempt to deny their involvement in the things they've done. Here's another relevant example in today's news-
http://www.koreaherald.com/national/Detail.jsp?newsMLId=20111216000661
The government on Friday included descriptions of the May 18, 1980 Democratic Movement and several other important events in Korea�s modern history in a draft of its new writing guidelines for textbooks to be used at high schools across the country.
The guidelines, if finalized, will serve as a key reference for textbook writers.
The move came after the education ministry triggered strong protests from liberal historians and related organizations last month for failing to include descriptions of the events in revised writing guidelines for textbooks to be used in middle schools.
According to the draft announced by the National Institute of Korean History, textbook writers must describe major democratic movements in modern Korean history such as the May 18 Democratic Movement, a popular uprising of Gwangju citizens against the dictatorship of former President Chun Doo-hwan in 1980; the April 19, 1960 student revolution and the people�s struggle for democracy in June 1987.
Writers were also required to touch on the April 3, 1948 uprising on Jeju and past South Korean governments� efforts to punish those who collaborated with Japan during its 1910-45 colonial rule of Korea.
The fact that the education ministry of the current gov't had originally omitted such major events is more than telling, and is in-line with their general pattern of commiting crimes against Korean citizens, and then attempting to cover their tracks. Seen in this light, to say that evidence of the cyber attack is "circumstantial" itself becomes circumspect. Hell, the evidence itself isn't very iffy (1)the governmnet aide admitted carrying out the attack in an attempt to prevent people from being able to vote for the opposition party (2)he claimed he carried it out on his own (3)his salary logically would not allow him to do so [and to compound things: such a major indiscretion carried out by a government aide? To act alone on such a thing that could potentially wreck (and it did) your whole organization is more than highly unlikely, and government aides are essentially focused on furthering their careers by following the orders of their superiors, rather than risking the image of their superiors as well as their own future] |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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See, I see it as both sides are responsible for their share of garbage. When the Left was in power, they took bribes, investigated their enemies, ignored the plight of North Korean refugees, and suppressed freedom of speech that went counter to their agenda.
Now that the Right is in power, they are doing much of the same. We could say they are doing more of it... or less of it, but I see it as very similar.
I also see them behaving in irresponsible and illegal ways when in the place of the opposition. Blocking democratic votes, being violent in their protests, intimidating those that disagree.
Both sides are guilty.
Yet look at the title of this thread.
Seems pretty biased to me.
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| The fact that the education ministry of the current gov't had originally omitted such major events is more than telling, and is in-line with their general pattern of commiting crimes against Korean citizens, and then attempting to cover their tracks. Seen in this light, to say that evidence of the cyber attack is "circumstantial" itself becomes circumspect. Hell, the evidence itself isn't very iffy (1)the governmnet aide admitted carrying out the attack in an attempt to prevent people from being able to vote for the opposition party (2)he claimed he carried it out on his own (3)his salary logically would not allow him to do so [and to compound things: such a major indiscretion carried out by a government aide? To act alone on such a thing that could potentially wreck (and it did) your whole organization is more than highly unlikely, and government aides are essentially focused on furthering their careers by following the orders of their superiors, rather than risking the image of their superiors as well as their own future] |
-You're not seriously saying that the Right is the only one to try a revisionist history on the Korean peninsula, are you?
-Find the money trail. There needs to be proof that A was funded by B for your accusations to have credibility.
You wrote this on Dec 9th
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| In light of the Grand Nat'l Party's tampering with a major election |
And I'll ask again - where was the proof (by that date)? You made the assertion, and it might well turn out to be true, but as of that date, there wasn't proof.
There was your agenda though - and that's quite clear in this thread. |
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Stout
Joined: 28 May 2011
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| Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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See, I see it as both sides are responsible for their share of garbage. When the Left was in power, they took bribes, investigated their enemies, ignored the plight of North Korean refugees, and suppressed freedom of speech that went counter to their agenda.
Now that the Right is in power, they are doing much of the same. We could say they are doing more of it... or less of it, but I see it as very similar.
I also see them behaving in irresponsible and illegal ways when in the place of the opposition. Blocking democratic votes, being violent in their protests, intimidating those that disagree.
Both sides are guilty.
Yet look at the title of this thread.
Seems pretty biased to me.
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| The fact that the education ministry of the current gov't had originally omitted such major events is more than telling, and is in-line with their general pattern of commiting crimes against Korean citizens, and then attempting to cover their tracks. Seen in this light, to say that evidence of the cyber attack is "circumstantial" itself becomes circumspect. Hell, the evidence itself isn't very iffy (1)the governmnet aide admitted carrying out the attack in an attempt to prevent people from being able to vote for the opposition party (2)he claimed he carried it out on his own (3)his salary logically would not allow him to do so [and to compound things: such a major indiscretion carried out by a government aide? To act alone on such a thing that could potentially wreck (and it did) your whole organization is more than highly unlikely, and government aides are essentially focused on furthering their careers by following the orders of their superiors, rather than risking the image of their superiors as well as their own future] |
-You're not seriously saying that the Right is the only one to try a revisionist history on the Korean peninsula, are you?
-Find the money trail. There needs to be proof that A was funded by B for your accusations to have credibility.
You wrote this on Dec 9th
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| In light of the Grand Nat'l Party's tampering with a major election |
And I'll ask again - where was the proof (by that date)? You made the assertion, and it might well turn out to be true, but as of that date, there wasn't proof.
There was your agenda though - and that's quite clear in this thread. |
There's no question that politics is anything but a dirty game all 'round, and I've stated already that I agree anyone doing crap ought to fess up.
Well, in the case of the hacking attack, if u don't want to see it, u won't, fine, I'm not going to tug-of-war over that already.
If u know a bit about the history of the peninsula from 1945, you'll know the hardliners are responsible for a slew of massacres in the south. They have far more to answer for. Here's a list-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Massacres_in_South_Korea
And as for the title, it's a statement of fact. Members of the GNP plainly stated they'd like to see SNS censored. That in itself is enough for me not see things their way. Then u can add in the massacres, illegal jailings, political frame-up/murders, tortures, etc...again, u don't want to see it, fine. See ya, Capt'n. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 11:58 pm Post subject: |
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Well, if you're going to lump all of the Right into one massive pile and blame them for 60+ years of events, are you fine with me doing the same with the Left? I mean, as far as I figure, a good portion of them are in league with the North... and I see no problem in linking them with the massacres and abominations that regime has cooked up.
See how easy that is?
But again, I'll ask - you made that statement about the GNP on the 9th of Dec. Where was your proof as of that date? |
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NohopeSeriously
Joined: 17 Jan 2011
Location: The Christian Right-Wing Educational Republic of Korea
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| Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2011 3:31 am Post subject: |
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| Yaya wrote: |
| Again, you post NOTHING to support your outrageous claims but I guess doing a little research is too tough for someone who probably never got past kindergarten. |
Read the 한국일보, 경한신문, 오마이뉴스.... The answers are all there. You don't want to deal with me because you only read conservative newspapers.
I really pity you.
| Weigookin74 wrote: |
| Why are you ranting this on a foriegners website? Most of us really don't care about Korean politics and have no need to be except for when it affects us as English teachers directly. |
I care. Without the several months of protests in this year, there will be another conservative government (borderline military dictatorship) in 2 years that could directly harm every foreigner in this country.
Besides, you don't want another military dictatorship that once hunted down foreigners and gyopo residents.
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| And as for the title, it's a statement of fact. Members of the GNP plainly stated they'd like to see SNS censored. That in itself is enough for me not see things their way. Then u can add in the massacres, illegal jailings, political frame-up/murders, tortures, etc...again, u don't want to see it, fine. See ya, Capt'n. |
Maybe the South Korean president keeps hiring foreigners to post ridiculously pro-Conservative stuffs in English. I can see two possible members who do this to harm other gyopos or foreigners. 
Here's a good news.
The two major liberal parties in South Korea are now officially promoting the ideas of Roh Moo Hyun. I would thank the recent SNS activism that has made this possible.
http://www.koreaherald.com/national/Detail.jsp?newsMLId=20111216000667 |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2011 4:01 am Post subject: |
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Wow, talk about fear mongering.
-Conservatives going to hunt down foreigners.
-Posters here being hired by the conservative government to post.
All this coupled with your lack of ability to ever back up what you say, and you really seem to be striving to fulfill your screen name. |
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NohopeSeriously
Joined: 17 Jan 2011
Location: The Christian Right-Wing Educational Republic of Korea
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| Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2011 4:29 am Post subject: |
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| All this coupled with your lack of ability to ever back up what you say, and you really seem to be striving to fulfill your screen name. |
I don't need to provide sources to you. I provided my sources last time. You dissed me and insult others so badly back then. Why are you here in the first place? To dedicate yourself to diss other members?
But am I smelling a crude ad hominem attack? (then again, at first you intimidated me several months ago) Your fearmongering against Korean left-wing Christians like me is disturbing. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2011 6:20 am Post subject: |
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| NohopeSeriously wrote: |
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| All this coupled with your lack of ability to ever back up what you say, and you really seem to be striving to fulfill your screen name. |
I don't need to provide sources to you. I provided my sources last time. You dissed me and insult others so badly back then. Why are you here in the first place? To dedicate yourself to diss other members?
But am I smelling a crude ad hominem attack? (then again, at first you intimidated me several months ago) Your fearmongering against Korean left-wing Christians like me is disturbing. |
Woah... mind quoting me where I "intimidated" you? Because if memory serves, it was you who said I deserved to be lynched.
I asked you to back up your assertions with some links, and you said I deserved to be hunted down and lynched.
That's some interesting revisionist history you've got going on.
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Be careful. People like you will be lynched if we have a left-wing president in the Blue House in the future. |
simply because I asked you to provide quotes you were claiming |
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2011 12:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Besides, you don't want another military dictatorship that once hunted down foreigners and gyopo residents. |
What?
If anything the past military dictatorships practically encouraged bright Korean scientists and engineers to study overseas. And enticed them with large of sums of money (millions of dollars) to come back with their overseas born families.
How do I know? I know of one retired PhD physicist that was in that position, but didn't go back because he was worried about his non-Korean speaking four teenage kids ability's to adjust. |
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NohopeSeriously
Joined: 17 Jan 2011
Location: The Christian Right-Wing Educational Republic of Korea
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| Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2011 7:58 am Post subject: |
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This is an interesting interpretation. I was only worried about your well-being as a conservative individual in this gradually left-leaning Korean society. And you misinterpreted as a threat? You once PMed me like this.
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Don't worry too much about it. I sincerely hope you can become a better person.
And please do not offend other members here like The Floating World.  |
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