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BananaBan
Joined: 16 Nov 2011
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 Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 3:50 pm Post subject: Is it unreasonable to request a pension from recruiters? |
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I will be contacting a few recruiters by email soon and was wondering if i should state that i want job offers which include pension on a 50/50 basis with employer.
i plan to do this to avoid the "independent contractor" type jobs, which are known to not have proper national health insurance, employer contributed pension and the lower tax bracket.
My situation:
Just graduated - no teaching experience
Want a location in Gyeonggi province near Seol
I have all my documents ready to go! |
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teedram
Joined: 23 Apr 2010
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Yes. If you want those benefits you should let your recruiter know. If they won't fulfill that request you should find a recruiter that'll find jobs with pension benefits.
I think you should be more flexible on location. |
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jrwhite82
Joined: 22 May 2010
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| Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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I agree with the above poster. Another thing to watch out for is that recruiters will say sure all our schools that we work with include pension and health care. But then they really don't.
When you do get a contract, post it in the Contract Review Sticky to have someone check it. Sometimes employers will word the insurance strangely and it might be private insurance not the national plan. Ask the existing/exiting teacher who works there about it to confirm. Then if those both check out. When you get here, follow up and call the pension and insurance office after a pay check or two (might take you one pay cycle to get your setup because you need your ARC I think) and make sure that your boss is really contributing. |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 4:19 pm Post subject: Re: Is it unreasonable to request a pension from recruiters? |
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| BananaBan wrote: |
I will be contacting a few recruiters by email soon and was wondering if i should state that i want job offers which include pension on a 50/50 basis with employer.
i plan to do this to avoid the "independent contractor" type jobs, which are known to not have proper national health insurance, employer contributed pension and the lower tax bracket.
My situation:
Just graduated - no teaching experience
Want a location in Gyeonggi province near Seol
I have all my documents ready to go! |
How soon do you want to start work?
By holding out you will eliminate about 80% of all hagwan jobs and the public school sector is not really on a hiring binge at the moment.
In the current hiring climate, unless you are prepared for a long wait, you'd be better off focusing more on the other aspects of the job and less on the "pension". Take what you can reasonably get and have backup documents and be prepared to move at your convenience when you find something better.
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BananaBan
Joined: 16 Nov 2011
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| Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 7:20 pm Post subject: Re: Is it unreasonable to request a pension from recruiters? |
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| ttompatz wrote: |
| BananaBan wrote: |
I will be contacting a few recruiters by email soon and was wondering if i should state that i want job offers which include pension on a 50/50 basis with employer.
i plan to do this to avoid the "independent contractor" type jobs, which are known to not have proper national health insurance, employer contributed pension and the lower tax bracket.
My situation:
Just graduated - no teaching experience
Want a location in Gyeonggi province near Seol
I have all my documents ready to go! |
How soon do you want to start work?
By holding out you will eliminate about 80% of all hagwan jobs and the public school sector is not really on a hiring binge at the moment.
In the current hiring climate, unless you are prepared for a long wait, you'd be better off focusing more on the other aspects of the job and less on the "pension". Take what you can reasonably get and have backup documents and be prepared to move at your convenience when you find something better.
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i am not doing this entirely for financial reasons, but for the experience, so if i loose out at about 2,000 USD in total due to not having a pension, it wont particularly keep me awake at night xD
so i guess other factors such as quality of school and previous teacher reviews are what i should aim for. |
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Wildbore
Joined: 17 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2011 2:29 am Post subject: Re: Is it unreasonable to request a pension from recruiters? |
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| BananaBan wrote: |
| ttompatz wrote: |
| BananaBan wrote: |
I will be contacting a few recruiters by email soon and was wondering if i should state that i want job offers which include pension on a 50/50 basis with employer.
i plan to do this to avoid the "independent contractor" type jobs, which are known to not have proper national health insurance, employer contributed pension and the lower tax bracket.
My situation:
Just graduated - no teaching experience
Want a location in Gyeonggi province near Seol
I have all my documents ready to go! |
How soon do you want to start work?
By holding out you will eliminate about 80% of all hagwan jobs and the public school sector is not really on a hiring binge at the moment.
In the current hiring climate, unless you are prepared for a long wait, you'd be better off focusing more on the other aspects of the job and less on the "pension". Take what you can reasonably get and have backup documents and be prepared to move at your convenience when you find something better.
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i am not doing this entirely for financial reasons, but for the experience, so if i loose out at about 2,000 USD in total due to not having a pension, it wont particularly keep me awake at night xD
so i guess other factors such as quality of school and previous teacher reviews are what i should aim for. |
You would only lose about 1000USD, because half of the $2000 is contributed by you. |
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Illysook
Joined: 30 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2011 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Usually (but not always) the jobs that don't pay pension and insurance pay a bit more than the ones that do, so you are not really getting ripped off. However, it does show a lack of concern for you as an employee. Would they be comfortable going to work in a foreign country without any health coverage? Probably not. |
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Rutherford
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| Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2011 11:05 pm Post subject: |
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| By holding out you will eliminate about 80% of all hagwan jobs |
Is this really the case Ttompatz? I always find your posts informative so I'm assuming you know what you're talking about. I taught in a hogwan a few years ago and had no problem getting pension. Is this a recent change? |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2011 11:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Rutherford wrote: |
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| By holding out you will eliminate about 80% of all hagwan jobs |
Is this really the case Ttompatz? I always find your posts informative so I'm assuming you know what you're talking about. I taught in a hogwan a few years ago and had no problem getting pension. Is this a recent change? |
I've said this before and I'll say it again: I really think ttompatz information is outdated on this front. All the salaried teachers I've known who have worked at chain schools have received pension payments, and that's a huge part of the market at this point. |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2011 11:42 pm Post subject: |
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| I really think ttompatz information is outdated on this front. |
I wish it were so but if that is in fact the case then we would never hear anything about it since everyone would in fact have NHIC and NPS and I know that I (personally) get more than 100 e-mails per month (at least 10% of the new E2s issued by the number) asking if/when/whether they will get it or why they don't/aren't/won't.
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 12:34 am Post subject: |
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| ttompatz wrote: |
| northway wrote: |
| I really think ttompatz information is outdated on this front. |
I wish it were so but if that is in fact the case then we would never hear anything about it since everyone would in fact have NHIC and NPS and I know that I (personally) get more than 100 e-mails per month (at least 10% of the new E2s issued by the number) asking if/when/whether they will get it or why they don't/aren't/won't.
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Maybe most of the people I've known have just been lucky on that front. I still think the 80% figure is very high, but that could be a function of living in a wealthier area. |
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ssuprnova
Joined: 17 Dec 2010
Location: Saigon
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| Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 6:06 am Post subject: |
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| I know of at least one hagwon scamming the teachers by deducting both pension and medical contributions from the paycheck, but only paying for medical (i.e., making zero contributions to pension). |
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Wildbore
Joined: 17 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 10:13 am Post subject: |
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| I know of at least one hagwon scamming the teachers by deducting both pension and medical contributions from the paycheck, but only paying for medical (i.e., making zero contributions to pension). |
If the teacher is from a country that doesn't qualify for the pension refund, it might actually make sense to pocket it instead of give non-refundable handouts to the government. |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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| Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 10:34 am Post subject: |
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| ssuprnova wrote: |
| I know of at least one hagwon scamming the teachers by deducting both pension and medical contributions from the paycheck, but only paying for medical (i.e., making zero contributions to pension). |
They might not even being paying medical either...If they are, it could be inferior private insurance rather than the national health insurance plan. |
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