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Blockhead confidence
Joined: 02 Apr 2008
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One more:
In China, it's rich kids who are fat - they're the ones eating Western processed foods and fast foods.
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Chinese children raised in families with higher incomes and advanced education levels are more likely to become obese.
Findings of the study contrast distinctly with the obese populations of the U.S. and even Europe, where children and adults have waistline sizes that correlate to the degree of their poverty. Overweight American youth tend to be from neighborhoods where fresh produce is less available, from families with lower educational backgrounds and less knowledge of general nutrition. |
http://blogs.wsj.com/chinarealtime/2011/07/18/study-china-getting-fatter-but-not-like-u-s/
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The Cosmic Hum
Joined: 09 May 2003
Location: Sonic Space
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| Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2011 2:17 am Post subject: |
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Anyway, I wouldn't be surprised if in six months' time another study comes out emphasising food again - the debate is far from over. |
You are quite right BC.
There is no doubt that food is the ultimate culprit in causing obesity.
Without excess calories...no matter how sedentary a person is...they wouldn't gain weight.
At no time in human history has such a large number of people had such easy access to inexpensive calories.
The studies have already been done...perhaps you have already read the ones about corn. Fascinating stuff. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2011 9:23 am Post subject: |
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| There's no doubt that traditional Eastern diets are less caloric than modern Western ones. And I won't deny that Americans eat too much, be it corn-fed meat or excess sugar. But if we're talking about weight (rather than simply cancer), then the American sedentary lifestyle is a huge factor. And yes, we have good evidence to show that Americans are substantially more sedentary on average than 20 years ago. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2011 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| There's no doubt that traditional Eastern diets are less caloric than modern Western ones. And I won't deny that Americans eat too much, be it corn-fed meat or excess sugar. But if we're talking about weight (rather than simply cancer), then the American sedentary lifestyle is a huge factor. And yes, we have good evidence to show that Americans are substantially more sedentary on average than 20 years ago. |
Could you point me to some of that evidence? I can believe that people are somewhat more sedentary, but nearly, if not all, the labor saving devices in use today were available 20 years ago. What has changed to make it a huge factor in the increase in obesity in the U.S.? |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2011 7:46 pm Post subject: |
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It seems simple enough, no? That all of these factors play into it.
-Processed foods.
-Food on the go.
-Abundance of foods.
-Overeating.
-Lack of exercise.
-Cities designed to make you drive.
Any others?
To single one out doesn't make sense to me. |
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The Floating World
Joined: 01 Oct 2011
Location: Here
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| Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2011 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| There's no doubt that traditional Eastern diets are less caloric than modern Western ones. And I won't deny that Americans eat too much, be it corn-fed meat or excess sugar. But if we're talking about weight (rather than simply cancer), then the American sedentary lifestyle is a huge factor. And yes, we have good evidence to show that Americans are substantially more sedentary on average than 20 years ago. |
I'm with you on diet. But a lot of modern Koreans I know will not walk anywhere and detest exercise. They do zero exercise and will get the subway or bus for a 5 min journey. Yet they are like sticks. They are stayng slim mainly due to diet and possibly genetics. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2011 7:44 am Post subject: |
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@atwood
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There's no good reason to think we sit around nowadays more than we did 30 years ago. But we're unmistakably fatter.
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http://www.healthymagination.com/blog/is-too-much-sitting-putting-your-health-at-risk/
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Katzmarzyk and colleagues found in a recent U.S. study that since 1960, the estimated daily energy expenditure from work-related physical activity has dropped by more than 100 calories per day for both women and men. In the early 1960s, almost 50% of jobs required moderate activity whereas now, five decades later, less than 20% of jobs require moderate activity. That 100 calories per day may not seem like much, but over a year, the lost opportunity to burn 36,500 calories accounts for a significant part of the overall increase in U.S. body weights.
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That first study is the interesting one, thanks for sharing.
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roguefishfood
Joined: 21 May 2011
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Alright... as someone with some expertise here I need to weigh in, there's a ton of misinformation floating around. This is gonna sound out there, I'm sure, but bear with me.
1. Yes, we are heavier on average, but that has a lot to do with the fact that we are also OLDER ON AVERAGE due to the baby boomers getting old (and consequently fatter, as most old people tend to do.)
2. Fat is not bad by itself. A BMI overweight-or-obese man who works out is actually more likely to have good blood numbers and less likely to drop dead from a heart condition or diabetes than a BMI normal-or-underweight man who is sedentary.
3. Dietary fat is not the culprit. Dietary fat, especially saturated fat, is necessary and a better source of burning energy than carbohydrates, and it is wrongly made a villain when it's sugar and carbohydrates that are what's really doing the damage. The difference is not exercise, it's that we actually used to eat MORE fat, protein, and vegetables and less carbohydrates.
Nature isn't too dumb -- If you condense human history down to one year, we started eating grains yesterday. We don't need them and they're dangerous. I am honestly saying: it would be better for health, appearance, and longevity to eat a handful of bacon than white bread. (Additionally, fat and protein lower the glycemic impact of a whole meal. Adding bacon to that white bread improves insulin response.)
TL;DR I'm with the people here saying that processed food is the main culprit but add most grain-based carbohydrates to that. Basically all grains count as processed food, because mostly they are toxic to us in their natural state, and the lipid hypothesis (the claim that dietary saturated fat is bad) is killing millions and making millions more unhappy with their bodies.
Eat more bacon. Enjoy your chicken skin. Put some more butter on that sweet potato. Put down the pasta. |
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The Floating World
Joined: 01 Oct 2011
Location: Here
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| Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 4:22 am Post subject: |
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| I am honestly saying: it would be better for health, appearance, and longevity to eat a handful of bacon than white bread. |
Please, somebody tell me this is true.
I've recently been eating two 200g Russian salami sausages per week at night with some Philadelphia cream cheese. A tub of the cream cheese also lasts about 4 nights.
So this isn'd bad for me right? Actually less bad than eating some bread or rice?
If so, that is AWESOME!!!!!!  |
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Rteacher
Joined: 23 May 2005
Location: Western MA, USA
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Ineverlie&I'malwaysri
Joined: 09 Aug 2011
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OMG! 
No offense, RT, but we met there and I luv ya, but you weren't exactly Slim Shady then. Sounds serious. Please do something, like instead of eating three square meals, eat 5 or 6 small ones. And don't eat until you are full, just until you are not hungry anymore. Finally, get a juicer. You can juice apples, tomatoes, celery, cucumber, strawberries, and more. The juices are fresh and superhealthy and can replace a meal. They fill you up so you are not hungry or eat less. All that's working for me. Try it. |
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Rahul0282
Joined: 20 Dec 2011
Location: India
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| Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2011 8:13 am Post subject: |
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All survey results and statistics should be taken with a pinch of salt  |
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Harpeau
Joined: 01 Feb 2003
Location: Coquitlam, BC
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I mostly agree with both Captain Korea and Roguefishfood. Saturated fat is not the problem. The problem is not butter, but rather margarine and most vegetable oils. Processed foods are horrible! (Though, meats are fine, I do wonder if pig is good for one's health.) Doughnuts are basically a controlled substance.
High-Fructose Corn Syrup makes people hungry and they end up eating more food. Portions are huge. MSG is also bad. Pharma drugs can also cause weight gain.
I think that the 5 Rules of the Leptin Diet are awesome! Byron H Richards has some wonderful ideas.
http://www.wellnessresources.com/leptin_diet.php
Just my opinions. |
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yodanole
Joined: 02 Mar 2003
Location: La Florida
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| Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 2:54 am Post subject: |
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If it actually were only 20 pounds, it wouldn't be so bad.
There are a lot of Jabba the Hutt stunt doubles waddling around. |
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