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BananaBan
Joined: 16 Nov 2011
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 Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2011 7:12 pm Post subject: Standard number of hogwon hours per week at entry level? |
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How many teaching hours is the standard?
and, how many working hours is the standard?
From my research:
teaching hours should be: 25 hours/week
working hours: 30 hours/week
for a 2.1 won job
~is this correct?
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Porksta
Joined: 05 May 2011
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| Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2011 7:57 pm Post subject: |
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| I think you have them backwards. The office hours should be 30, but you only spend 25 or so of them teaching. |
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BananaBan
Joined: 16 Nov 2011
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| Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2011 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Porksta wrote: |
| I think you have them backwards. The office hours should be 30, but you only spend 25 or so of them teaching. |
and yes i did have them backwards lol
i fixed it, thanks for the tip! |
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koreatimes
Joined: 07 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2011 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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| And 1 class hour on average is 45 minutes. |
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ssuprnova
Joined: 17 Dec 2010
Location: Saigon
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| Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2011 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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| koreatimes wrote: |
| And 1 class hour on average is 45 minutes. |
Make sure it says so in the contract. Hagwon owners like to get creative when it comes to interpreting the contract. Some of my friends have 8 x 35-45min classes every day as a result. |
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BananaBan
Joined: 16 Nov 2011
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| Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2011 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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| ssuprnova wrote: |
| koreatimes wrote: |
| And 1 class hour on average is 45 minutes. |
Make sure it says so in the contract. Hagwon owners like to get creative when it comes to interpreting the contract. Some of my friends have 8 x 35-45min classes every day as a result. |
averaging the classes to 40 minutes, that amounts to just 5.3 hours a day of teaching. HOW IS THAT BADDD??????
keep in mind that the average 9-5 job in the western world is 8 hours |
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koreatimes
Joined: 07 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2011 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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You can't use 9-5 job as a comparison. You are not given the same rights. You cannot work a second job easily. You cannot open your own business.
For what it's worth, yes, it is low hours but that comes with the sacrifices you make by coming to teach under restrictions. Don't sell yourself short.
35 minutes is low. 40-50 is more practical. Figure 20 hours of teaching, then 5 more classes that are negotiable depending on how they treat your total hours. If they let you come and go as you please, then you might be better off just teaching those extra classes. |
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Rutherford
Joined: 31 Jul 2007
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| Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2011 10:57 pm Post subject: |
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From my research:
teaching hours should be: 25 hours/week
working hours: 30 hours/week
for a 2.1 won job
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Is this what's standard these days? That seems like very little work and doesn't reflect most hogwan jobs I see advertised.
For the past few years most hogwan jobs I've seen advertised were for 30 teaching hours a week. Usually you were expected to be at work one hour before your first class for prep. So I thought the average was about 30 teaching hours per week and about 35 hours spent in the hogwan.
In the past year I've seen these conditions getting worse, with many ads for jobs requiring you to be at school at least 8 hours.
I think if you got a job for 2.1 million and 25 teaching hours per week that would be better than average. |
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koreatimes
Joined: 07 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2011 11:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Rutherford wrote: |
| Quote: |
From my research:
teaching hours should be: 25 hours/week
working hours: 30 hours/week
for a 2.1 won job
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Is this what's standard these days? That seems like very little work and doesn't reflect most hogwan jobs I see advertised. |
The average used to be 30 hours TOTAL. Office time was inside these 30 hours. 40 minutes for grade school, 50 minutes for middle and high school students, as well as adult.
Typically, you would do 6 classes per day based on this. Preparation was your responsibility, so if you needed an hour in the office you did an hour.
I was at one school where I had 28 hours in the contract, 2.5 salary (oh, those were the days). I taught 2 adult classes in the morning, a bunch of short 17-21 minute classes in the afternoon, and 2 or 3 fifty minute classes before 8pm. I got Fridays off, so Monday-Thursday were busy days, but I had a break between the last adult class and when the grade school students came.
Other teachers had kindergarten, high school, and adult classes in the evening.
I use 25 classes as the average, and I don't worry about the time. Of course now, they want to up it to 30 as a minimum. You need to get a sample schedule to see how things are arranged. |
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ssuprnova
Joined: 17 Dec 2010
Location: Saigon
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| Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 4:44 am Post subject: |
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| BananaBan wrote: |
| ssuprnova wrote: |
| koreatimes wrote: |
| And 1 class hour on average is 45 minutes. |
Make sure it says so in the contract. Hagwon owners like to get creative when it comes to interpreting the contract. Some of my friends have 8 x 35-45min classes every day as a result. |
averaging the classes to 40 minutes, that amounts to just 5.3 hours a day of teaching. HOW IS THAT BADDD??????
keep in mind that the average 9-5 job in the western world is 8 hours |
You're not factoring in the time spent on prep, grading, and paperwork. |
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ibeattheborg
Joined: 17 Dec 2010
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| Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 7:41 am Post subject: |
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| Yes the hours that you teach per week may be very misleading. 25 hours teaching sounds great but you could teach anywhere from 25 1-hour classes right up to 50 30-minute classes. A class is a class even if you don't have much prep to do. You have a new set of students to deal with each time, the more classes the more you will be drained. |
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BananaBan
Joined: 16 Nov 2011
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| Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 11:10 am Post subject: |
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| ibeattheborg wrote: |
| Yes the hours that you teach per week may be very misleading. 25 hours teaching sounds great but you could teach anywhere from 25 1-hour classes right up to 50 30-minute classes. A class is a class even if you don't have much prep to do. You have a new set of students to deal with each time, the more classes the more you will be drained. |
so are fewer, but longer classes better than many, but shorter classes?
(are 25 1-hour classes better than 50 30-minute classes) |
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koreatimes
Joined: 07 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2011 2:43 pm Post subject: |
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| BananaBan wrote: |
| ibeattheborg wrote: |
| Yes the hours that you teach per week may be very misleading. 25 hours teaching sounds great but you could teach anywhere from 25 1-hour classes right up to 50 30-minute classes. A class is a class even if you don't have much prep to do. You have a new set of students to deal with each time, the more classes the more you will be drained. |
so are fewer, but longer classes better than many, but shorter classes?
(are 25 1-hour classes better than 50 30-minute classes) |
It all depends on the school. As I stated, I would try to have 40-50 minute classes. |
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