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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| weso1 wrote: |
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| I think it's pretty ignorant to lump these idiots in with the rest of the military as if this was normal. |
Exactly. This had nothing to do with the "culture." It had to do with a bunch of idiots that do not represent the entire establishment.
Just as when a handful of English teachers get caught smoking pot or beating their Korean girlfriends, it is not representative of the "yahoo English teacher culture."
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| i normally enjoy most of your posts weso, but you get quite the hard-on for american military don't you? i don't get where that passion comes from. |
A lot of Americans from the South feel strongly about those in uniform. I mean, why shouldn't we? They sacrifice themselves, get pulled from their families, get put in harms way - where people are trying to shoot and kill them, and they do it all for what would amount to a burger flipper's paycheck. They don't do it for money, they do it to protect the other 99.9% of us back home. Anyone who doesn't give the men and women of their home country's military the respect they deserve, aren't worth being spit on.
The first member of my family to leave Europe and come to America fought at Lexington and Concord in the Revolution. My great great grandfather fought in the Civil War (wrong side, but that's not the point), my great grandfather was in Austria in WWI. His son, my grandfather, took shrapnel when the 8th US Army took Pyongyang. His knee still acts up to this day. My father drove a tank Desert Storm. And one of these days, I'll put on the uniform as well, and serve my country and make the sacrifice as so many others have done before me. |
"What makes the grass grow? Blood! blood! gung ho! gung ho!"
When you do join the US military, from exactly what will you be protecting America from? The US has been a republic for 230 years now, there are no more Hitlers, communism is dead, and no country can even dream of invading the US for the vast foreseeable future.
Don't kid yourself. People join the army for money of because lack of opportunity elsewhere. |
And if all those guys just take off their uniforms and go home, how long do you think that will last? |
A long freaking time. Who would invade the US? And why? |
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Rahul0282
Joined: 20 Dec 2011
Location: India
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| Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 6:58 am Post subject: |
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| This is absolutely insane!! A horrible crime! |
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Died By Bear
Joined: 13 Jul 2010
Location: On the big lake they call Gitche Gumee
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| Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 8:18 am Post subject: |
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I've recently met four Korean females between the ages of 22 n 34, none of them reported any kind of abuse whatsoever in the army. 1 warrant officer, 2 E5s. 2 E4s. They all got their citizenship in the u.s. Army, and they said that just like anywhere else, "SHIT ATTRACTS SHIT"
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Stout
Joined: 28 May 2011
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| Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 8:44 am Post subject: |
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I've recently met four Korean females between the ages of 22 n 34, none of them reported any kind of abuse whatsoever in the army. 1 warrant officer, 2 E5s. 2 E4s. They all got their citizenship in the u.s. Army, and they said that just like anywhere else, "SHIT ATTRACTS SHIT"
Hope this helps. |
Glad your friends were lucky-
http://newsjunkiepost.com/2010/01/26/13rd-of-women-in-us-military-raped/
The culture of sexual violence against women that is allowed to exist in both the US military and private contractors needs to come to an end. When almost a third of all women serving are raped, and over two thirds sexually assaulted, this problem is rampant and systemic |
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Died By Bear
Joined: 13 Jul 2010
Location: On the big lake they call Gitche Gumee
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| Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 11:41 am Post subject: |
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| Died By Bear wrote: |
I've recently met four Korean females between the ages of 22 n 34, none of them reported any kind of abuse whatsoever in the army. 1 warrant officer, 2 E5s. 2 E4s. They all got their citizenship in the u.s. Army, and they said that just like anywhere else, "SHIT ATTRACTS SHIT"
Hope this helps. |
Glad your friends were lucky-
http://newsjunkiepost.com/2010/01/26/13rd-of-women-in-us-military-raped/
The culture of sexual violence against women that is allowed to exist in both the US military and private contractors needs to come to an end. When almost a third of all women serving are raped, and over two thirds sexually assaulted, this problem is rampant and systemic |
First, that article is a bit misleading because it focuses on one part of the NPR article. Second, they never tell you what the circumstances were or broke down the numbers. Which really tells me that the great majority of the rapes happened in an alcohol fueled enviornment. Since the Kgals I met were all church girls in the u.s. army, they say that things are damn safe for them. I'm not trying to say I'm completely right, and yes, maybe their 'time hasn't come yet', but somehow I doubt very seriously that the numbers those articles throw out are all situations where the females were in the workplace during working hours, or in their barracks or whatever. I also never hear about any married women in the military ever being raped. Maybe because instead of going to the bars w/the boys from company C, they go home to their families.
The second story in the article tells us of a female that was brutally raped buy a group of KBL/Haliburton employees. Talks about her breast implants being ripped out, etc. I'm pretty sure that I could bet money on this and win...where was she drugged you think? At work? In the dining facility? In her barracks? Nope, I'm willing to bet you five bucks that it was in an alcohol fueled environment. That does NOT make it any less of a crime, but it does say something about the people who are putting themselves in the situation to begin with. Speculation, yes. I admit it. I just don't believe that these females are being raped during normal routine duty.
Re: the combat zone latrine battle buddy subject.
The article didn't say she was raped. She said that she didn't have a battle buddy because she was the only female there, so her rifle and her knife served as a battle buddy. At least in a combat zone, you can shoot any jerk that tries anything.
My opinion still stands though, because that Korea born E5 and Warrant Officer looked me straight in the eye when I brought up sexual harassment in the army. They both said the same thing. "shit attracts shit, stay away from shit, and you won't have any problem."
But that's just an opinion, I could be wrong.  |
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radcon
Joined: 23 May 2011
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| Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 1:08 pm Post subject: |
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And if all those guys just take off their uniforms and go home, how long do you think that will last? |
And why would they quit their livlihoods? Not gonna happen. A domestic defense force is necessary but these foreign wars of adventure are expensive, evil, and egregious and they make no American safer or "protect our freedoms" as soldiers love to say ad nauseum. |
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warmachinenkorea
Joined: 12 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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I respect our military. But I have a different view after meeting a few soldiers while here in Korea. Fighting in a war zone is no joke on the body, mind or soul. But for those that aren't fighting it's a job. Very similar benefits to our jobs. They get airfare, housing, utilities, numerous programs and it never seems like they leave home with the commissary and PX on bases. And if they choose to do 20 years they get a guaranteed retirement. But after dealing with 10+ families that try to adopt animals from our shelter here in Daegu and 4 military guys playing our flag football league. The amount of ignorant, egotistic, felling of entitlement jerks we met far out weigh the nice people we come across. They seem to have no character or moral compass.
My mother has 7 brothers 6 of them served in the military. My grandfather had 2 brother's on was in WWII the other in Vietnam. |
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Died By Bear
Joined: 13 Jul 2010
Location: On the big lake they call Gitche Gumee
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| Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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| warmachinenkorea wrote: |
I respect our military. But I have a different view after meeting a few soldiers while here in Korea. Fighting in a war zone is no joke on the body, mind or soul. But for those that aren't fighting it's a job. Very similar benefits to our jobs. They get airfare, housing, utilities, numerous programs and it never seems like they leave home with the commissary and PX on bases. And if they choose to do 20 years they get a guaranteed retirement. But after dealing with 10+ families that try to adopt animals from our shelter here in Daegu and 4 military guys playing our flag football league. The amount of ignorant, egotistic, felling of entitlement jerks we met far out weigh the nice people we come across. They seem to have no character or moral compass.
My mother has 7 brothers 6 of them served in the military. My grandfather had 2 brother's on was in WWII the other in Vietnam. |
Father was a pilot in USAF, grandfather was a major during the 2nd WW, Uncle lost a leg in Korean war. Two older cousins from different sides of the family both died in Vietnam. I grew up military. You're right, some of the people there are a complete waste. But so are people in civilian life too. There's good and bad people everywhere. Criminals, shysters, thieves, rapists, you name it, they are everywhere. My dad always used to say that army guys were cocky because they are in a competitive environment, so they feel like they always have to prove something. I understand completely where you're coming from. On the other hand, if you're selective about who you befriend, you will find the gems - they're not that hard to find. |
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warmachinenkorea
Joined: 12 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 5:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Died By Bear wrote: |
| warmachinenkorea wrote: |
I respect our military. But I have a different view after meeting a few soldiers while here in Korea. Fighting in a war zone is no joke on the body, mind or soul. But for those that aren't fighting it's a job. Very similar benefits to our jobs. They get airfare, housing, utilities, numerous programs and it never seems like they leave home with the commissary and PX on bases. And if they choose to do 20 years they get a guaranteed retirement. But after dealing with 10+ families that try to adopt animals from our shelter here in Daegu and 4 military guys playing our flag football league. The amount of ignorant, egotistic, felling of entitlement jerks we met far out weigh the nice people we come across. They seem to have no character or moral compass.
My mother has 7 brothers 6 of them served in the military. My grandfather had 2 brother's on was in WWII the other in Vietnam. |
Father was a pilot in USAF, grandfather was a major during the 2nd WW, Uncle lost a leg in Korean war. Two older cousins from different sides of the family both died in Vietnam. I grew up military. You're right, some of the people there are a complete waste. But so are people in civilian life too. There's good and bad people everywhere. Criminals, shysters, thieves, rapists, you name it, they are everywhere. My dad always used to say that army guys were cocky because they are in a competitive environment, so they feel like they always have to prove something. I understand completely where you're coming from. On the other hand, if you're selective about who you befriend, you will find the gems - they're not that hard to find. |
I agree the Army guy on my flag football team is a cool dude but his friends on an opposing teams were just big pains. I haven't really befriended any of them it was just dealing with them through the application process for adopting animals at the shelter.
Yes, there are bad folks every where. The ratio just seemed to lean toward the bad people side. |
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