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Stout
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 Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 1:53 am Post subject: Gotta love that military culture II |
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Courtesy of hardliners like Bush and Rumsfeld, the good times just keep rolling in Iraq. Sure Obama made the pullout official, but anyone who thinks he could've fixed what Bush & co. left behind is asking for a bit much.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45762201/ns/world_news-mideast_n_africa/
BAGHDAD � At least 57 people have been killed and 179 wounded in a wave of violence across Iraq's capital Baghdad Thursday morning, a spokesman for the Iraqi health ministry said.
The wave of attacks targeted neighborhoods around the city in an apparently coordinated campaign of violence designed to wreak havoc.
The blasts were the worst violence to hit the country since a political crisis between Iraq's Sunni and Shiite factions erupted this weekend.
The political spat, which pits Iraq's Shiite prime minister against the highest-ranking Sunni political leader, has raised fears that Iraq's sectarian wounds will be reopened.
Iraqi officials said at least 12 blasts went off early Thursday morning in nine neighborhoods around the city.
The violence ranged from sticky bombs attached to cars to roadside bombs and vehicles packed with explosives.
http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/12/20/9584554-ex-iraqi-pm-accuses-us-of-leaving-job-unfinished
"The Americans have pulled out without completing the job they should have finished. We have warned them that we don't have a political process which is inclusive of all Iraqis and we don't have a full-blown state in Iraq."
"We want to resolve issues between Iraqis in a peaceful way and we want to bring stability. Iraqis should fill the vacuum, rather than anybody else," Allawi said, in a reference to his view Iran is intent on filling a vacuum left by U.S. troops. |
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Drew10
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| Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 2:01 am Post subject: |
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| More garbage. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 4:35 pm Post subject: Re: Gotta love that military culture II |
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| Stout wrote: |
Courtesy of hardliners like Bush and Rumsfeld, the good times just keep rolling in Iraq. Sure Obama made the pullout official, but anyone who thinks he could've fixed what Bush & co. left behind is asking for a bit much.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45762201/ns/world_news-mideast_n_africa/
BAGHDAD � At least 57 people have been killed and 179 wounded in a wave of violence across Iraq's capital Baghdad Thursday morning, a spokesman for the Iraqi health ministry said.
The wave of attacks targeted neighborhoods around the city in an apparently coordinated campaign of violence designed to wreak havoc.
The blasts were the worst violence to hit the country since a political crisis between Iraq's Sunni and Shiite factions erupted this weekend.
The political spat, which pits Iraq's Shiite prime minister against the highest-ranking Sunni political leader, has raised fears that Iraq's sectarian wounds will be reopened.
Iraqi officials said at least 12 blasts went off early Thursday morning in nine neighborhoods around the city.
The violence ranged from sticky bombs attached to cars to roadside bombs and vehicles packed with explosives.
http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/12/20/9584554-ex-iraqi-pm-accuses-us-of-leaving-job-unfinished
"The Americans have pulled out without completing the job they should have finished. We have warned them that we don't have a political process which is inclusive of all Iraqis and we don't have a full-blown state in Iraq."
"We want to resolve issues between Iraqis in a peaceful way and we want to bring stability. Iraqis should fill the vacuum, rather than anybody else," Allawi said, in a reference to his view Iran is intent on filling a vacuum left by U.S. troops. |
So an attack on civilians by terrorists is an example of military culture?
You are not just reaching on this one...you've practically had to dislocate your shoulder to arrive at this point. |
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radcon
Joined: 23 May 2011
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| Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 6:34 pm Post subject: Re: Gotta love that military culture II |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| Stout wrote: |
Courtesy of hardliners like Bush and Rumsfeld, the good times just keep rolling in Iraq. Sure Obama made the pullout official, but anyone who thinks he could've fixed what Bush & co. left behind is asking for a bit much.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45762201/ns/world_news-mideast_n_africa/
BAGHDAD � At least 57 people have been killed and 179 wounded in a wave of violence across Iraq's capital Baghdad Thursday morning, a spokesman for the Iraqi health ministry said.
The wave of attacks targeted neighborhoods around the city in an apparently coordinated campaign of violence designed to wreak havoc.
The blasts were the worst violence to hit the country since a political crisis between Iraq's Sunni and Shiite factions erupted this weekend.
The political spat, which pits Iraq's Shiite prime minister against the highest-ranking Sunni political leader, has raised fears that Iraq's sectarian wounds will be reopened.
Iraqi officials said at least 12 blasts went off early Thursday morning in nine neighborhoods around the city.
The violence ranged from sticky bombs attached to cars to roadside bombs and vehicles packed with explosives.
http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/12/20/9584554-ex-iraqi-pm-accuses-us-of-leaving-job-unfinished
"The Americans have pulled out without completing the job they should have finished. We have warned them that we don't have a political process which is inclusive of all Iraqis and we don't have a full-blown state in Iraq."
"We want to resolve issues between Iraqis in a peaceful way and we want to bring stability. Iraqis should fill the vacuum, rather than anybody else," Allawi said, in a reference to his view Iran is intent on filling a vacuum left by U.S. troops. |
So an attack on civilians by terrorists is an example of military culture?
You are not just reaching on this one...you've practically had to dislocate your shoulder to arrive at this point. |
Maybe he is saying that this type of religious killing was not common in Iraq until the US military came in. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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Well we pulled out because Iraq wasn't interested in a new SOFA and we didn't have the desire or drive to push Iraq to agree to a new one.
Anyway, what's your point? That the Iraq invasion was a big f-up? That it poorly reflects on the USA? Wow, thanks for stating an opinion that most of the world agrees with. Ground breaking thread here... Only been covered in god knows how many threads on the Current Events forum since its inception. |
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radcon
Joined: 23 May 2011
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| Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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| So some Iraqis claim that the US didn't finish the job it started? And what job would that be? To completely change the centuries old mind set and belief system of a country full of religious nutjobs? |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 9:49 pm Post subject: Re: Gotta love that military culture II |
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| radcon wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| Stout wrote: |
Courtesy of hardliners like Bush and Rumsfeld, the good times just keep rolling in Iraq. Sure Obama made the pullout official, but anyone who thinks he could've fixed what Bush & co. left behind is asking for a bit much.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45762201/ns/world_news-mideast_n_africa/
BAGHDAD � At least 57 people have been killed and 179 wounded in a wave of violence across Iraq's capital Baghdad Thursday morning, a spokesman for the Iraqi health ministry said.
The wave of attacks targeted neighborhoods around the city in an apparently coordinated campaign of violence designed to wreak havoc.
The blasts were the worst violence to hit the country since a political crisis between Iraq's Sunni and Shiite factions erupted this weekend.
The political spat, which pits Iraq's Shiite prime minister against the highest-ranking Sunni political leader, has raised fears that Iraq's sectarian wounds will be reopened.
Iraqi officials said at least 12 blasts went off early Thursday morning in nine neighborhoods around the city.
The violence ranged from sticky bombs attached to cars to roadside bombs and vehicles packed with explosives.
http://worldnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/12/20/9584554-ex-iraqi-pm-accuses-us-of-leaving-job-unfinished
"The Americans have pulled out without completing the job they should have finished. We have warned them that we don't have a political process which is inclusive of all Iraqis and we don't have a full-blown state in Iraq."
"We want to resolve issues between Iraqis in a peaceful way and we want to bring stability. Iraqis should fill the vacuum, rather than anybody else," Allawi said, in a reference to his view Iran is intent on filling a vacuum left by U.S. troops. |
So an attack on civilians by terrorists is an example of military culture?
You are not just reaching on this one...you've practically had to dislocate your shoulder to arrive at this point. |
Maybe he is saying that this type of religious killing was not common in Iraq until the US military came in. |
If that is what he is saying then he is wrong. The Shiite and Sunni factions have been fighting each other for centuries. Yes Saddam managed to force a peace between them in Iraq...but it's clear that both sides never viewed it as more then a temporary cease-fire. The Iraq war was just an excuse to settle old scores...NOT the cause of it. THAT began a long time ago. From Wiki:
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The historic background of the Sunni�Shia split lies in the schism that occurred when the Islamic prophet Muhammad died in the year 632, leading to a dispute over succession to Muhammad as a caliph of the Islamic community spread across various parts of the world which led to the Battle of Siffin. Sectarian violence persists to this day from Pakistan to Yemen and is a major element of friction throughout the Middle East.[9][10]
Over the years Sunni�Shia relations have been marked by both cooperation and conflict, often with deadly violence. A period of relative harmony during most of the 20th century has been replaced by conflict, particularly following the start of the Iraq War.[11] |
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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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| Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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| radcon wrote: |
| So some Iraqis claim that the US didn't finish the job it started? And what job would that be? To completely change the centuries old mind set and belief system of a country full of religious nutjobs? |
Send in the Mormons. That'll fix it. (As long as they leave out the bits about dark skinned people being cursed.)
Or... just remind the locals that Christmas is almost here, that may help chill them out...oh wait, never mind.
Religion is awesome. |
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