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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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I agree. If they (the ROK Gov) really wanted it changed, it'd be changed.
There's nothing but formalities holding it back. Many a nation has changed their name internationally.
| The Floating World wrote: |
| Sheeit, I can't make no sense of it. (that's 'sheeit' as pronounced by Bunk from The Wire.) |
hmmmm.... wasn't it just yesterday you were giving me trouble for saying his exact same word on here?
/shrug
Oh well... I like Bunk. |
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The Great Wall of Whiner
Joined: 24 Jan 2003
Location: Middle Land
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| Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2011 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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Take away England, no English Channel.
Take away Taiwan, no Taiwan Straight.
Take away Japan, no Sea of Japan.
Logic 1.0 |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2011 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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Apparently you've haven't heard of the whole "Japan renamed Korea from 'Corea' just so J could come before K" ubber sensitive nationalistic propaganda. If they ever called it the Japan-Korean Sea, Korea would start lobbying the world and crying to be recognized as Corea so it would be the Corean-Japan Sea. Whether it's this or the Dokdo nonsense, this country wastes more time and resourced arguing over trivial things, when it should be working with Japan in every way possible so as to offer a balance to China. |
Apparently you are mistaking special lobby groups as representing the official government view of Korea.
As already pointed out, if they wanted to change they could and would. |
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goreality
Joined: 09 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2011 8:38 pm Post subject: |
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| The C-K argument is a nationalist conspiracy started by Koreans. In other words it is Koreans who wanted to change the spelling of their country so they would be announced before Japan at international events not the other way around. Koreans themselves don't spell anything in English with just a C (it's CH), so Corea would have to be a special exception. During colonial times Korea didn't act independently on the world stage so it wouldn't have mattered-Olympians competed for Japan. Before then, it was just a mix up of map terms in European languages that don't use K and a lack of standards, also the country was often Chosun. |
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StudentInKorea
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| Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2011 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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| I usually go for the compromise and call it "The East Sea of Japan". |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2011 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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I'm thinking of referring to it as the West Sea. Why not? It's no better and no worse than calling it the East Sea.
It's long past time for Korea and Koreans to realize that their viewpoint and the way something is said in their language does not govern how other societies and languages function. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2012 11:51 am Post subject: |
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Anyone ever get bothered by "The Indian Ocean", or "English Channel"?
When Korea becomes a leader in the true sense of the word (try making some of your own decisions rather than slavishly following the west and aspiring to be a G-7 type country), it'll get more respect. |
If anyone from my country ever started going on about the "Gulf of America", I'd rightly consider him or her a shallow, egotistical, nationalistic fool.
If your national pride is based on the names of geographic locations and features, something is very wrong. |
Call It 'Gulf Of America,' Not Gulf Of Mexico, Mississippi Lawmaker Says |
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Privateer
Joined: 31 Aug 2005
Location: Easy Street.
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| Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 3:20 am Post subject: |
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| The South China Sea clearly should be called 'The Vietnamese Sea'. |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 3:35 am Post subject: |
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| CentralCali wrote: |
I'm thinking of referring to it as the West Sea. Why not? It's no better and no worse than calling it the East Sea.
It's long past time for Korea and Koreans to realize that their viewpoint and the way something is said in their language does not govern how other societies and languages function. |
Yeah, the parochialism of calling it the East Sea (and insisting others call it such) is rather insane. Being as the "East Sea" is west of Japan, what are the Japanese supposed to call it? The West Sea? I'm sure that won't be confusing at all. As you say, the term "East Sea" really only makes sense in the Korean context. In any case, the Sea of Japan is a far more informative name to those who aren't familiar with the body of water you're speaking of. The Sea of Japan at least lets an uninformed individual know that the sea is near Japan. Calling it the East Sea tells you nothing outside of the fact that it's east of something. |
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Nowhere Man
Joined: 08 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 3:50 am Post subject: ... |
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| If your national pride is based on the names of geographic locations and features, something is very wrong. |
Well, there's not much else doing, so I'll toss this on.
Do Americans have the right to be "Americans"?
A large portion of the western hemisphere holds this as an axe to grind. A couple of cranky Canadians here and there, but this controversy takes on religious-like zealotry when you start talking to some South Americans.
The way I put it back to them is: It's the United States of America. What do you propose calling us (besides a whole list of nasty things)? Usanians? Stations? Mostly-but-not-entirely North Americans? IOW, some feel excluded by this term, but what realistically suitable alternative is there?
Kuwait and Qatar are emirates. Should UAE citizens not be allowed to call themselves Emiratis?
DISCLAIMER: This is not flame bait; it's a serious question. |
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kimchi_pizza
Joined: 24 Jul 2006
Location: "Get back on the bus! Here it comes!"
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| Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 9:08 am Post subject: |
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I've had a few beers and feel like play'n in the arguement arena,
What ever happened to the art of compromise?
Let Korea name the islands, China name the seas and Japan name the
plates/shelf!
For example we have Korea's famous Ullungdo Island yet it sets atop Tsushima
Basin! Or let's get really crazy and call Dokdo, Tsudok Island. The funny thing
is there's a good chance that the etymology of both the Japanese and Korean
naming is the SAME! So, let's call it by an English word that means just that. BINGO, problem solved! As for who actually owns the land and fishing rights?
Eh~ once the seas are depleted, no one cares. This is the year of the Imjin
and they're BOUND to break out with some kind'a scuffle! Wait for it, it'll
happen.
But Korea and Japan are bosom buddies, as long as each as a tit, they'll be
just fine~
hahaha, now where's my beer? |
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comm
Joined: 22 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2012 10:02 am Post subject: Re: ... |
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| Nowhere Man wrote: |
Well, there's not much else doing, so I'll toss this on.
Do Americans have the right to be "Americans"? |
Of course, as "United Statesians" is kind of a mouth full. Do Ugandans have the right to be "Africans"? |
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akcrono
Joined: 11 Mar 2010
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| Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 1:29 am Post subject: |
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| My girlfriend (Korean) said that the naming dispute over the Sea of Japan is based on the Dokdo controversy; she said that Dokdo will belong to Japan if the sea is recognized as the Sea of Japan. I doubt it, but does anyone have concrete evidence for this? |
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akcrono
Joined: 11 Mar 2010
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| Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 1:33 am Post subject: |
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| Kuros wrote: |
| comm wrote: |
| Stout wrote: |
Anyone ever get bothered by "The Indian Ocean", or "English Channel"?
When Korea becomes a leader in the true sense of the word (try making some of your own decisions rather than slavishly following the west and aspiring to be a G-7 type country), it'll get more respect. |
If anyone from my country ever started going on about the "Gulf of America", I'd rightly consider him or her a shallow, egotistical, nationalistic fool.
If your national pride is based on the names of geographic locations and features, something is very wrong. |
Call It 'Gulf Of America,' Not Gulf Of Mexico, Mississippi Lawmaker Says |
I do hope you've read the article. |
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comm
Joined: 22 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2012 1:55 am Post subject: |
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| akcrono wrote: |
| Kuros wrote: |
| comm wrote: |
| Stout wrote: |
Anyone ever get bothered by "The Indian Ocean", or "English Channel"?
When Korea becomes a leader in the true sense of the word (try making some of your own decisions rather than slavishly following the west and aspiring to be a G-7 type country), it'll get more respect. |
If anyone from my country ever started going on about the "Gulf of America", I'd rightly consider him or her a shallow, egotistical, nationalistic fool.
If your national pride is based on the names of geographic locations and features, something is very wrong. |
Call It 'Gulf Of America,' Not Gulf Of Mexico, Mississippi Lawmaker Says |
I do hope you've read the article. |
"Holland's move is similar to that of a Democratic lawmaker in Oklahoma who recently introduced a bill saying that life begins at ejaculation."
hahaha
I may have found a politician I like. |
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