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Yaya
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| Let's not forget the Rape of Nanjing (though I do admit the Chinese exaggerated the death toll quite a bit), the massacres in the Philippines right before the Japanese military left, and a whole host of other atrocities Japan committed. |
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everything-is-everything
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A few more questions:
(1) Why hasn't the Japanese Parliament made an official apology?
(2) If those assiciated with the comfort women didn't want to be political why did they put the statue near the Japanese embassy? Why not place it somewhere else?
(3) Has the Japanese government provided direct compensation and an official apology to other nationalities of comfort women?
(4) Knowing that Koreans also served in the Japanese military is it conceivable that Koreans also used the comfort women?
(5) Have any other moder nations used comfort women (by the way what a stupid term - comfort women? ) |
1. Because that would mean accepting blame and revising their textbooks. |
Yeah, I don't really get this.
I mean, I think most Japanese adults have an idea of what their nation did during the war. I don't think the Japanese public are totally clueless to the notion of comfort women.
In addition, there have been apologies at the highest level which have clearly stated what they did was wrong.
Why not go one step further and pass a resolution through the government and set up a government/public fund to directly give to the former comfort women?
The thing is I think the Japanese have made effort to go there (albeit not enough), but everytime an effort is made they are visicously attacked.
There's way too much anger associated with the issus and I fear any meaningful apology (whatever that is) will never be truely accepted.
It's revenge filled issue and unfortunately people acting on behalf of the comfort women I fear have ulterior political motives going on here.
The comfort women have to do some insane Jesus type forgiveness to truely move on.
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| 2. Where else would it be appropriate to place it? |
Do the Jews or gypsies or other groups have memorials placed in front of German embassies?
Face it the statue is political. Any sense that it was made to remember the victims is dashed my its location.
Placing the statue by the embassy is meant to embarase the Japanese.
This is what I mean by actors affiliated with the comfort women who have ulterior motives.
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| 3. Nope |
Then why don't we see similar actions by those other nations?
I understand that Korean women made up a large percentage of the actual sex slaves so of course they are the most vocal.
But has the Dutch, Filipino or other nation made similar high level requests?
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| 4. Probably...what of it? They were working for the JAPANESE government and not the KOREAN government. Irrelevant point. |
The reason why I mentioned this is that Steelrails mentiond that the people who actually comitted the rape should also include the rapists.
This would conceivable include some Koreans.
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| 5. Yes it is a stupid term...take it up with the Japanese who invented it. As to your question...prostitution has always been a part of war...these women were forced into government-backed systematic sexual slavery though. I've not seen other modern nations accused of this, although if you have any links stating such I'd like to see them. |
Wait a minute, because the Japanese invneted it we have to use it?
That's illogical.
As for modern examples of sexual slavery all we have to do is look to the North Korean refugee population in China.
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| According to a source from 2005, �60 to 70 % of North Korean defectors in the People's Republic of China are women, 70 to 80 % of whom are victims of human trafficking.�[3] |
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| Violent abuse starts in apartments near the border, from where the women are then moved to cities further away to work as sex slaves. When Chinese authorities arrest these North Korean slaves, they repatriate them. North Korean authorities keep such repatriates in penal labour colonies (and/or execute them), execute any Chinese-fathered babies of theirs �to protect North Korean pure blood� and force abortions on all pregnant repatriates not executed.[3] |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_North_Korea
The North Korean government also currently engages in sexual slavery.
They call them "satisfaction teams"
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| The North Korean government engages in forced prostitution. Its prostitutes are known as manjokcho (만족조 �satisfaction team(s)�) and are organised as a part of the kippŭmjo, who are drafted from among 14 to 20 year old virgins, trained for about 20 months, and often �ordered to marry guards of [Kim Jong-il] or national heroes� when they are 25 years old.[3] For a girl selected to serve in the kippŭmjo, it is impossible to refuse, even if she is the daughter of a party official.[3] |
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koreatimes
Joined: 07 Jun 2011
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| By the way, addressing issues is psychologically healthier than repressing them. Especially if the perpetrator feels that they didn't do anything wrong. |
That backs up my therapy comments.
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| You called the statue a symbol of hate. |
No, I was referring to people already knowing what it represents and then seeing it in front of an embassy as a way to fuel already existing hatred. As stated, your reading comprehension is not as strong as it needs to be.
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| Holocaust perpetrators are still hunted down to this day. |
Hunting is one thing. Catching is even harder. Punishing them is not something I hear of these days. What stats do you have? I tend to be perceived as a strong Israeli supporter, but I also feel Israel has their own country now, Germany is no longer who they were. Same argument. I don't see any Israeli placing Holocaust hunting in front of Iran watching. Do you?
I have seen many movies which also talk about the Holocaust. Your comparison lacks greatly here. Try again. Try something with substance next time.
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| It's accepting responsibility and being remorseful over one's actions. |
The Japanese government today is not the same as it was. It has nothing to be remorseful about as it pertains to their actions. The past government was punished and leaders were executed. Time machine time, come back to the present.
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| So because I don't agree with your opinion, my opinion must be one of hate? |
You brought up the gender aspect, not me. Dug yourself a bigger hole.
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| From what I understand, the soldiers bought tickets to rape the women. |
Procedure doesn't preclude peer pressure. Many fraternities have procedures to initiate their members.
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| So, no, nobody was forcing the soldiers to rape under threat of beatings (someone who knows more than me, please feel free to correct me). |
Yea, there was no group thinking going on. They all just happened to end up in the same cities. Your historical slant on this is so informative.
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| People are responsible for their own actions and should be held to them. |
Say that to the gang of thugs holding a pistol to your head. If they are that heinous to do this to a woman, why do you think they wouldn't off a dissenting soldier? I know you don't like the thought, but peer pressure goes beyond just putting a frog down a girl's shirt when you're a kid.
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| So clearly you need to read up about this issue more before you make stupid criticisms like this. |
They would document this for you to read? They would have peer reviews on soldiers who didn't plan on raping women? How are you that certain each soldier did it because they premeditated the idea before leaving Japan? I understand you don't want to accept this, I don't either. However, it's true.
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| They always had a choice to stop |
That's right, there was a get out of jail card passed out to each soldier. I forgot, each soldier was not looked down on. Come on now. I was told if I don't go out drinking with the school I would be looked down on. This is just English teaching. Imagine if you were fighting other countries and putting your life on the line. You don't think they made soldiers do things awful like raping and killing to achieve their objective? It was not a free society that you paint it out to be.
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| Your position on this issue disgusts me. |
It disgusts me too. It doesn't mean I like it, and it doesn't mean it's not true. When you have a group formed, they will make its members do undesirable things. Some will do it as a form of pranking, and if it goes too far, maybe someone will die or be hurt. Others will take it to extremes during war and kill, rape, and steal in order to achieve their objective.
I never said I supported this, but it happens. We need to think how we will act in these cases instead of getting just emotional and targeting a culprit. That culprit syndrome accomplishes nothing. |
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koreatimes
Joined: 07 Jun 2011
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"An Imperial Rescript to Soldiers and Sailors of 1882 called for unquestioning loyalty to the Emperor by the new armed forces and asserted that commands from superior officers were equivalent to commands from the Emperor himself. Thenceforth, the military existed in an intimate and privileged relationship with the imperial institution." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_Japanese_Army
"This unprecedented action was meant to symbolize the personal bond between the Emperor and the military, making the military in effect, the Emperor's personal army." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_Rescript_to_Soldiers_and_Sailors
"Major General Tomitarō Horii did issue a "Guide to Soldiers in the South Seas" in late 1941, which ordered troops not to loot or kill civilians. This was intended to prevent a repeat of atrocities that the Army committed in China, however this only applied to men under his command.[21]" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_Japanese_Army
(While the above doesn't fully exonerate soldiers, it does show how a simple "guide" could turn on and off behavior in humans, after all they were just "soldiers".)
"One is probably the brutal behavior that they themselves experienced. The IJA was known for the extremely harsh treatment of its enlisted soldiers from the start of training,[22] including beatings, unnecessarily strenuous duty tasks, lack of adequate food, and other violent or harsh disciplinary tactics. This was contrary to the Imperial Rescript to Soldiers and Sailors of 1882, which instructed officers to treat subordinates respectfully." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_Japanese_Army
It's right there, these soldiers were groomed to be beasts. They didn't just wake up one morning and decide to wear brown shoes one day instead of black shoes, and then rape later in the evening.
"In many places throughout the United States, and in the Philippines, there exist dozens of memorials (such as monuments, plaques and schools) dedicated to the U.S. and Filipino prisoners who died during the Bataan Death March. There is also a wide variety of commemorative events held to honor the victims, include holidays, athletic events such as marathons, and memorial ceremonies held at military cemeteries." - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bataan_Death_March
"The Bataan Death March Memorial Monument is the only federally funded monument dedicated to the victims of the Bataan Death March during WWII. The monument was dedicated in April 2001 and was designed and sculpted by Las Cruces artist Kelly Hester. Memorial is located in Veterans Park along Roadrunner Parkway" - http://www.lascrucescvb.org/html/bataan_death_march_memorial.html |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 1:00 am Post subject: |
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| Hunting is one thing. Catching is even harder. Punishing them is not something I hear of these days. What stats do you have? I tend to be perceived as a strong Israeli supporter, but I also feel Israel has their own country now, Germany is no longer who they were. Same argument. I don't see any Israeli placing Holocaust hunting in front of Iran watching. Do you? |
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| http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Demjanjuk |
This was a major story a few months ago.
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| The Japanese government today is not the same as it was. It has nothing to be remorseful about as it pertains to their actions. The past government was punished and leaders were executed. Time machine time, come back to the present. |
From the article in the Independent-
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| Last year, Mr Abe stunned the Sharing House by claiming there is "no evidence" to prove the women were coerced, reversing Japan's position. Amid a political storm and pressure from Japan's US allies, he backtracked in a series of carefully worded statements that took the heat out of the controversy. But the denial "terrified" Kang. "I felt that my heart had been turned inside out," she says. |
The present government continues to do things like visit the Yasukuni Shrine and has
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| No, I was referring to people already knowing what it represents and then seeing it in front of an embassy as a way to fuel already existing hatred. As stated, your reading comprehension is not as strong as it needs to be |
I do believe that is a roundabout way of calling it a symbol of hate. You are referring to a visual medium, designed to elicit an emotional response, and you are stating that it elicits hate.
That would make it a symbol of hate.
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| You brought up the gender aspect, not me. Dug yourself a bigger hole. |
No, you are the one who is digging holes by demeaning women and diminishing the significance of rape.
There is no hate against men. There is only your sexism.
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| Say that to the gang of thugs holding a pistol to your head. If they are that heinous to do this to a woman, why do you think they wouldn't off a dissenting soldier? I know you don't like the thought, but peer pressure goes beyond just putting a frog down a girl's shirt when you're a kid. |
Sorry, but they could have just spent time on base cleaning their rifle or playing Go! or reading or praying or doing anything. They chose to go into town and get some rape-tail.
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| When you have a group formed, they will make its members do undesirable things. Some will do it as a form of pranking, and if it goes too far, maybe someone will die or be hurt. Others will take it to extremes during war and kill, rape, and steal in order to achieve their objective. |
The defense of "I was only following orders" or "Everyone else was doing it" are not legal defenses, nor are they moral ones.
Congratulations you've asserted that they committed the acts, and that they have no defense for their actions.
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The North Korean government also currently engages in sexual slavery.
They call them "satisfaction teams" |
North Korea is not a modern nation.
If there are North Korean sex slave refugees, and if there were a North Korean embassy here, I would firmly support the right of the women to protest outside and erect statues and pursue apologies and compensation.
You guys seem to think this is a Korea vs. Japan issue. It isn't. It's a sexual victim's rights issue.
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| Do the Jews or gypsies or other groups have memorials placed in front of German embassies? |
And if you think the German and Japanese government's behavior is anything close to similar then you are delusional.
Sorry, but Angela Merkel would never dare visit a Nazi war dead shrine. Angela Merkel isn't engaged in Holocaust denial or mitigation. The German government wouldn't give half-hearted statements or apologies. The German people and government do all they can to atone for that shameful part of their past.
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Then why don't we see similar actions by those other nations?
I understand that Korean women made up a large percentage of the actual sex slaves so of course they are the most vocal.
But has the Dutch, Filipino or other nation made similar high level requests? |
http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2010/08/12/2003480180
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| lacing the statue by the embassy is meant to embarase the Japanese. |
It's meant to embarrass the Japanese government. And the Japanese government should be embarrassed by how it has handled this issue.
Think about it, the U.S. government takes issue with this. Governments around the world have issued statements in support of the comfort women and calling on Japan to "do more". I think there is more to this than just the "Embarrass Japan".
As I keep on saying, it's a women's rights and sexual-victims issue. Take the same example and make it say, an India-Pakistan issue and the view of people wouldn't change.
If there were a bunch of Pakistani women who had been impressed into Indian government army rape camps and the Indian government kept on pushing the issue to the back-burner with half-hearted diplomatic statements, people would support the Pakistani women protesting outside the Indian embassy. Why? Because mass military rape-camps are unacceptable and barbaric and governments should not attempt to whitewash them or try and wait until everyone involved dies. They should actively try to remedy the situation.
Again, it's a sexual victims issue. |
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koreatimes
Joined: 07 Jun 2011
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| This was a major story a few months ago. |
Are you reading what you are referencing?
"Demjanjuk had been recruited into the Soviet army in 1940, and that he had fought until he was captured by German troops in the Eastern Crimea in May 1942"
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| The present government continues to do things like visit the Yasukuni Shrine |
The Yasukuni Shrine is not "comfort women" specific. Countries celebrate holidays which also are correlated with worse or just as bad atrocities. Again, this shows you are singling out Japan.
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You are referring to a visual medium, designed to elicit an emotional response, and you are stating that it elicits hate.
That would make it a symbol of hate. |
Ok, you don't have a reading problem. You have a cognitive problem. It's like drawing or learning a trade. You'll have to work at it. I'll repeat again, I was not referring to the statue itself. Placing it next to an embassy doesn't elicit hate, it fuels ALREADY existing hatred.
It's like a white person being told blacks are bad, and then they see a black person and treat them badly. If they weren't told it at first, then they wouldn't have carried out the bad act.
Ironically, this is what many of these soldiers did to the women and prisoners. The women and prisoners were not treated like humans.
Maybe you'll get it someday.
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| No, you are the one who is digging holes by demeaning women and diminishing the significance of rape. |
I am trying to knock more pins down than just the rape one. There is also group thinking which can cause a bigger problem. Try watching that movie with Jodie Foster, The Accused. If I remember correctly, wasn't there one person who didn't want to do it but he did because he didn't want to be singled out?
I agree, I am not addressing rape exclusively, because life has many more rotten apples than just the rape card.
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| Sorry, but they could have just spent time on base cleaning their rifle or playing Go! or reading or praying or doing anything. They chose to go into town and get some rape-tail. |
I am sorry to inform you, but it wasn't a camp for Barney lovers, and there were no purple dinosaurs hugging them. I understand you want to paint a rosy picture, but that's not how life was.
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| Congratulations you've asserted that they committed the acts, and that they have no defense for their actions. |
No defense other than they would be killed themselves if they got in the way. Do you know where the word "kamikaze" came from?
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koreatimes
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| Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 1:56 am Post subject: |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamikaze
"It's all a lie that they left filled with braveness and joy, crying, 'Long live the emperor!' They were sheep at a slaughterhouse. Everybody was looking down and tottering. Some were unable to stand up and were carried and pushed into the plane by maintenance soldiers."
"Tokkōtai pilot training, as described by Kasuga Takeo,[39] generally "consisted of incredibly strenuous training, coupled with cruel and torturous corporal punishment as a daily routine." Irokawa Daikichi, who trained at Tsuchiura Naval Air Base, recalled that he "was struck on the face so hard and frequently that [his] face was no longer recognizable."
He also wrote: "I was hit so hard that I could no longer see and fell on the floor. The minute I got up, I was hit again by a club so that I would confess." This brutal "training" was justified by the idea that it would instill a "soldier's fighting spirit." However, daily beatings and corporal punishment eliminated patriotism among many pilots." |
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jeronimoski
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This thread has really gotten out of hand. It clearly shows how low Korean apologists will sink just to defend anything Korean. I've read a lot of racist things in my time, but some of the stuff being thrown the Japanese way is pretty intense here.
You cannot defend the argument that the Japanese did not give anything to China or Korea for World War II. Money has been paid. Apologies have been made. If you cannot accept the apology, then you never will accept anything. Did the Chinese government make apologies for Tianamen Square? Or their role in the Vietnam/Korean Wars? Has the British government made all the necessary apologies for their atrocities during their occupation of other nations? Has the US made all the necessary apologies for all the atrocities they have committed? How about the French and their occupation of some parts of SE Asia? The list can go on and on and on.
Change textbooks? Since when do Japanese people not know about their own past? What age do you expect Japanese kids to start learning about sex slaves? Elementary school? Do Koreans learn about atrocities their men committed during the Vietnam War when they fought with the Americans? Do they learn about how their own men used these 'comfort women'? Do you think South Korean soldiers didn't do anything bad during the Korean War? What about the sex slaves currently in Korea now? In China? Do you think that Japanese people have NO idea about what happened? Give me a break. Shall we tell the British government to change their textbooks to list all the atrocities their own soldiers committed over the past 1,000 years? Show we tell the Chinese government to change their textbooks to list the atrocities committed by Mao? By their own troops in Korea? Shall we tell the Americans and Canadians to list all the atrocities they committed against Native Americans?
Japan was ruled by a completely different type of government during the war. Many things have changed since then. The people of Japan have changed. The people of Japan now should not have to bear the burden of their ancestors. That is like living in North Korea where you are held accountable for your family's actions...even making the younger generation pay for their grandparent's or parent's mistakes.
Go to Nanjing and visit the Nanjing Massacre Museum. I know the Chinese name, but I can't remember the exact English name. Anyways. When I went there, they had a sign up at the end of the tour. It reminded all visitors to NEVER forget what the Japanese did. No writing about healing or looking to the present or future. Just making sure that people remember their hatred and anger forever. And do you know what? It works. I can't even count how many times I heard a Chinese person say that they hated the Japanese and they wanted to kill a Japanese person. I even had students who wanted to drop nuclear bombs on Japan. This is the truth.
Look, we all know what happened. We all know that it was horrible. However, this continued racism against Japan is just plain wrong. Having an opinion that doesn't fit the Korean apologist mindset is a bit dangerous on this site. People will say that you think it's okay to rape women...or say that you do not accept the truth about what happened. What a messed up way to think. That is the same as calling someone a Jew hater if they disagree with Isreal's foreign policies.
Japan has made apologies. Japan has paid money to China and Korea. That's a fact. You cannot dispute this. if you cannot accept the apology, then that's something that you will have to figure out on your own. Keep the hate going, I guess. That's exactly what this world needs...more racism and hatred to continue for generations and generations of people. Keep preaching hatred in schools. Keep teaching those young Korean kids to hate the Japanese forever. That's just great. |
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Steelrails
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| Japan has made apologies. Japan has paid money to China and Korea. That's a fact. You cannot dispute this. if you cannot accept the apology |
And then the Japanese PM makes statements like this...
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1544471/Japanese-PM-denies-wartime-comfort-women-were-forced.html
Doesn't seem like an apology to me.
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| Having an opinion that doesn't fit the Korean apologist mindset is a bit dangerous on this site. |
So are the U.S. government, World Human Rights organizations, women's groups, sexual violence victims advocacy groups, the New York Times, Washington Post, Telegraph, Independent, etc. Korea apologists?
Because they support the "apologist" angle.
Did it ever occur, sir, that maybe you are the one with the agenda and the bias?
Again, THIS IS NOT A KOREA ISSUE. IT IS A WOMEN'S AND SEXUAL VICTIM'S RIGHTS ISSUE.
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| Japan was ruled by a completely different type of government during the war. Many things have changed since then. The people of Japan have changed. |
The government in 2007 made that major gaffe. PMs continue to visit the shrine.
Did it ever occur to you sir, that maybe the people here can "see through" the diplomatic statements and see what is truly meant in say, an East Asian cultural context and determine when someone is genuinely remorseful. Sort of like when the cops say they "regret" that a black kid was shot by an officer. A non-apology apology.
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| However, this continued racism against Japan is just plain wrong |
There is no racism against Japan.
Again, it is a women's and sexual victim's rights issue.
Take this same issue and choose two other countries around the world and I would have the exact same opinion. Mass military rape is not something minor and it is not something that should have a statute of limitation.
Let's take Korea and Japan out of the equation and simply call them 'victims' and 'government X'. Now you look at the history and you would clearly say that government X has had a history of denial on this issue and that it's apologies are often only the result of pressure from government X's biggest backer.
Now it's not a country issue. It is a sexual victims issue. Japan is just the name. The issue is what is the right thing to do concerning governments and victims of mass military rape.
What exactly is the date and time when it's "too late" for this issue to be brought up? What is the time limit on rape? Did the Japanese government get a pass as soon as the tribunals were finished? All someone has to do is hide out until they are through? Is it when the payments for forced laborers, NOT sexual slaves, were made? When exactly does rape become something that should just be forgotten?
And guess what. If the Japanese government/policy makers/perpetrators were truly sorry they would have actively sought out the victims and done all they could domestically to apologize and give compensation. They had to be dragged kicking and screaming into this. We're talking from 1946-2011. |
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Stout
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Just saw a Japanese-Korean co-production (mainly Jpn/Korean actors, Korean director) tonight which addresses these type of thorny issues, particularly the insane attitude drilled into the Japanese military...it doesn't skimp on showing how over the line many of the Jpn soldiers were. If your Japanese, Korean, (no accompanying Eng sub-titles in any theatre that I'm aware of) and history are up to it (reference in one scene even to Korean Independance fighters a la Kim Il Sung in Manchuria), a pretty fascinating, intense ride, and not the type of film that's made every day.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_j4Gcu7wlMc
http://english.cntv.cn/program/cultureexpress/20111219/107230.shtml
Seoul played host to the cast and crew of a new war movie, "My Way", on Tuesday. Starring South Korean actor Jang Dong-gun, Japanese actor Joe Odagiri and Chinese actress Fan Bing Bing. The film is a joint South Korean-US production based on a World War Two story.
"My Way" was inspired by a photograph of a young South Korean man, who was drafted into the Japanese army during the Japanese colonial period, and then dragged off by the Soviet military. He was captured again after being sent to fight in German uniform in the fierce Battle of Normandy during the Second World War in 1944.
Director Kang saw a documentary about the photograph at the National Archives, and then developed a plot on the changing dynamics between two friends during wartime.
...the Chinese actress in the 2nd link (not so much in the film, as her guerilla sniper character isn't meant to be pretty) is, well, if Paris Hilton is hot, this girl for me is just molten lava, 'tho she may have had her eyes done. |
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rollo
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Okay!! This is out of hand. Claiming that Chinese hatred of the Japanese is racism,
(they are the same race).
The best analogy by Korea times that rape is like pranking. That is more than disgusting.
Trying to get some justice for rape victims is not stirring up hate it is trying to get justice for rape victims. The Japanese were the ones who committed the crimes that began the hate. The way for them to let this end is to start to admit their actions.
Comparing Japanese actions to the holocaust. Japan murdered about 50 million civilians in China. Systematic extermination. Medical experiments on thousands , testing bubonic plague on people, castration, other tortures were performed in the medical camps.
The best way to stop the hate is to go through the process of admitting guilt, then sincere apology. then perhaps people can move on. The Statue of the comfort women is an attempt to impress on the Japanese government that they must begin the process to allow the healing to begin. The hate festers as long as the Japanese stonewall the truth.
I realize that their are some on here who dislike Koreans and see everything they do in a negative light but this is something that should be done.
One of the ways that GErmany have dealt with it's past is to not try to sweep it under the rug. Get it out there let people see what humans are capable of how twisted a political system can become. They did not run from the past or play word games about it
Korea times seems to suggest it was just "Boys being Boys" that a little pranking gone awry. Lets forget about it. It's just Koreans whining again. This is reallity, kidnap rape, slavery, it happened, this is not theory or a video game. |
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TheUrbanMyth
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| Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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| everything-is-everything wrote: |
Then why don't we see similar actions by those other nations?
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I posted a link to similar actions by Taiwanese nationals including a statement by a member of the government....why did you ignore that? (last post on the last page.) |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Do members of the Japanese government still pray at shrines that house war criminals? |
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koreatimes
Joined: 07 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Korea times seems to suggest it was just "Boys being Boys" that a little pranking gone awry. |
Did you see anything I quoted? It was not boys being boys. It was boys being trained to be beasts, and then raping.
There was ABSOLUTELY NO analogy with pranks. I brought up pranking to show the contrast between boys being boys in college and boys being beasts at wartime.
These boys did not sit in their bedroom and conspire to rape before they left Japan. They were groomed to do this. |
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koreatimes
Joined: 07 Jun 2011
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| Posted: Tue Dec 27, 2011 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
| Do members of the Japanese government still pray at shrines that house war criminals? |
Do Koreans still pray at churches associated with a religion much older than the shrines that house war criminals?
Why don't we speak out against the Christian colonization over the world? If people can worship their god, I don't see why we single out one country. You really need a punching bag? |
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