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saram_
Joined: 13 May 2008
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Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 2:58 am Post subject: Busting the myth that only specific breeds of dogs end... |
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..up on menus in dog restaurants here!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JPYK3yTqWY&feature=share
KBS Expose the Myth that only specific breeds of dogs are for human consumption-
Worth a look.. |
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rollo
Joined: 10 May 2006 Location: China
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Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 4:03 am Post subject: |
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Good! So tired of poodle. |
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Who's Your Daddy?
Joined: 30 May 2010 Location: Victoria, Canada.
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Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 5:21 am Post subject: |
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Cruel bastards. |
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Skipperoo
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 5:25 am Post subject: |
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Wait wait wait.
They're eating CUTE dogs?
I am now enraged. |
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littlelisa
Joined: 12 Jun 2007 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 5:46 am Post subject: |
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Skipperoo: It's not that people are upset that the dogs are cute. Or at least that shouldn't be it.
What is upsetting is that people are buying dogs almost on a whim for their cuteness (mostly from pet stores, which mostly come from puppy mills where dogs are bred and poorly treated, then taken away from their parents too young so that they sell faster because they look cute), then abandoning them on the streets because they can't be bothered to care for them (something they gave no thought to beforehand), where they are then picked up and treated horribly, to then end up squished in tiny cages with other dogs, and then electrocuted - or worse - beaten and then they get eaten. Did you see the video where they beat one with a metal rod?!
This is a whole chain that breeds dogs that are abandoned and then tortured. What a disgusting mess.
People who get upset about dogs being eaten are often reassured, it's okay, these are dogs that are bred specifically for eating. It's just like cows! Nobody is eating your pet. So some people are upset because they have an emotional connection to their pet and imagine if their pet was treated so badly. Or imagine that if they lost their dog that it could end up treated like this and then eaten.
But really I think we have to think that any animal being treated this badly is a disgusting thing, whether it is a specific breed raised for meat or not, whether it is cute or not, whether it is a dog or a pig.
I'm not saying everyone should be vegetarian either, I think that it should be a priority to have meat that did not come from cruelly treated animals period.
On another note, these dogs are being picked up from the streets and I can't imagine it being particularly healthy... they may have diseases or something, nobody knows where they came from and nobody is doing any kind of check to see about their health.
On a final note, it deals with sellers who are straight out lying. They should not be lying about it if asked, no matter what you feel about eating dogs or eating pets. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008 Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 6:38 am Post subject: |
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Well thats the end of it! Cute Dogs...now those deserve your sympathy people! Along with those cute cows and pigs because heck they deserve the same outrage and empathy from the "save the pooch" crowd.
As for pet abandonement, its a sad state of affairs when people by any animal and toss it out after a short while because its not the toy they thought they were buying....Animal shelters are chock full of these back here and animal shelters are bursting at the seams with abandoned animals around here. Some areas are better and some animals do better but once they reach the shelter, they are on the clock, a short clock, to being put down.
Now to the crux of the issue: if these animals are tortured (would like to see how one will then define this torture to animals) it is bloody wrong and these operators should be shut down (not holding my breath however...).
As for the rest of the "leave Benji alone" chant, it loses credibility each time of the chanters happily chomps down on bulgogi, bacon, steak, pork chops, Chicken, Turkey and so on.....
To me this is pretty much bang on:
I think that it should be a priority to have meat that did not come from cruelly treated animals period.
Now the debate opens up as to what constitutes cruelty and at HOW MUCH you are willing to pay for such meat....because at the end of the day, the average consumer will buy that steak thats cheaper, not considering how it was slaughtered or raised. |
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coralreefer_1
Joined: 19 Jan 2009
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Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 10:09 am Post subject: |
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PatrickGHBusan wrote: |
Well thats the end of it! Cute Dogs...now those deserve your sympathy people! Along with those cute cows and pigs because heck they deserve the same outrage and empathy from the "save the pooch" crowd.
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Pretty much spot on with exactly the comment I wanted to leave on the video, but youtube kept coming up with "error, try again"
Dont enjoy dog meat myself, though I can only claim to have tried it once, but the idea that somehow fish, cows, pigs, chicken, ducks, snails....etc etc, are ok to eat but yet dogs or cats are not is simply hypocrisy at its finest. ALL animals are slaughtered, and it doesn't matter if it was a toy poodle, or a crap dog that was farm raised, or a deer running in the wild, a tuna enjoying a nice swim, or a chicken born in a hatchery..its all murder, they all feel pain, they all don't want to die.
I love my meat, and have no issues with any of it, but its just so darned frustrating to hear people cry about animal rights or animal abuse for"x" animal, but not "y" animal. If they aren't vegetarian or vegan, they have no place to criticize. |
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thebektionary
Joined: 11 May 2011
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Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 10:46 am Post subject: |
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I think part of the argument is that dogs are intelligent creatures - but pigs are too and everyone eats them. |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008 Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 1:28 pm Post subject: |
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thebektionary wrote: |
I think part of the argument is that dogs are intelligent creatures - but pigs are too and everyone eats them. |
Yup but pigs are not cute nor do they retreive sticks when you throw them so they get no love.  |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: Retired
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Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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Not to mention the fact that a YouTube video is hardly credible evidence.
Particularly THAT YouTube video. You know how they were able to determine that former pets were being turned into dog meat?
On their size. That's right. That is the SOLE piece of evidence that they use to make this claim. Shoddy sensational journalism at its best. Just like every time some foreigners are caught doing something wrong we are tarred with the same brush on nothing more than skin color.
Yes everyone knows that some Koreans eat dog meat. Yes sometimes the animals are put to death in less than humane way (though that video didn't really show that). Provides plenty of fodder for trolls but since this comes up every year...it's getting a little tiring. |
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eamo

Joined: 08 Mar 2003 Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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Does it matter which breed is used for dog meat?
The main issue should be the conditions they are kept in and how humanely they are slaughtered.
Unfortunately, due to the head-in-the-sand tactics of successive Korean governments, the dog meat industry is technically illegal and so therefore totally unregulated.
So the poor beasts, regardless of which breed they are, aren't treated well during their short lives. It's one of those shameful things that most Koreans don't want to face up to. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: Retired
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Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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I quite agree. Humane conditions for killing animals for consumption should be the norm. Unfortunately they are not...around the world.
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shakuhachi wrote:
hojucandy wrote:
actually i have seen sheep and even cattle packed as badly as that in australia.
Dont lie.
do yu think i am lying?
i used to be the veterinary officer incharge of animal welfare with the northern territory department of agriculture.
i wish i was lying.
i have seen much much worse.
i have seen a truckload of cattle brought out of one of the cattle stations in the top end at the start of the wet season. the truck was overloaded and the journey was unexpectedly long so the cattle were not in good shape at all. the trucky should have spelled the cattle but he did not. they were pack so tightly they could not move. smaller beasts had gone down and been trampled to death.
there were so many broken legs that half the animals had to be shot on arrival at meneling (near bachelor in the nt).
the trucker was prosecuted but charges were dropped as the real culprit was the station owner. he was eventually brought to some sort of justice but the pituful legislation (prevention of cruelty to animals act) only provided (in those days) minimal fines as penalty.
as for sheep - i have seen a triple decker full of half dead sheep packed just a tightly as those dogs.
and chickens - the way they are transported worse than this picture. chickens are just as sentient as dogs.
do yu want me to get more graphic? |
Google link to "slaughterhouses exposed"
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Shocking slaughter footage: English slaughterhouses exposed ...
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17 Aug 2009 � English slaughterhouses exposed. The public is encouraged to believe that killing animals for their meat is essentially a pain- and stress-free ...
Warning: disturbing footage. Undercover investigation at Chinos ...
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27 Jan 2009 � California law was recently strengthened to protect animals and humans after an HSUS investigation at a Chino slaughterhouse exposed ...
Cruelty in the KFC Slaughterhouse Exposed
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Cruelty in the KFC Slaughterhouse Exposed. From PETA Posted: 7/21/2004 http://www.peta.org/feat/moorefield/ Watch the Video here. On July 20, 2004, PETA ...
Underground Dog Slaughterhouse Exposed in Kunming | ChinaHush
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23 Oct 2011 � (From Sohu) Killing and eating dogs has long been spat upon by dog lovers, especially when it comes to underground dog slaughterhouses ...
Animal Aid: 'Cruel' Norfolk Slaughterhouse Exposed
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'Cruel' Norfolk Slaughterhouse Exposed. Posted 6 May 2010. Animal Aid has today released footage taken secretly inside a Norfolk slaughterhouse that kills ...
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Exposed: The long, cruel road to the slaughterhouse - News - Food ...
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13 Feb 2008 � The alarming evidence of their suffering has been revealed after a secret investigation by 10 major animal charities, including the RSCPA, ...
China Blog: Underground Dog Slaughterhouse Exposed in Kunming
china.blognhanh.com/.../u... - 베트남 - 저장된 페이지 - 이 페이지 번역하기
24 Oct 2011 � Recently a small underground dog slaughterhouse was exposed after a month long look out by a journalist in Kunming City. ...
English Slaughterhouses Exposed
www.stop-barbaric-slaughter.web... - 저장된 페이지 - 이 페이지 번역하기
English Slaughterhouses Exposed. Muslims and Jews argue that their long established method of slaughter 'Shechita' results in a sudden loss of blood from the ...
and that's just a partial list.
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littlelisa
Joined: 12 Jun 2007 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 5:06 pm Post subject: |
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TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
Not to mention the fact that a YouTube video is hardly credible evidence.
Particularly THAT YouTube video. You know how they were able to determine that former pets were being turned into dog meat?
On their size. That's right. That is the SOLE piece of evidence that they use to make this claim. Shoddy sensational journalism at its best. Just like every time some foreigners are caught doing something wrong we are tarred with the same brush on nothing more than skin color.
Yes everyone knows that some Koreans eat dog meat. Yes sometimes the animals are put to death in less than humane way (though that video didn't really show that). Provides plenty of fodder for trolls but since this comes up every year...it's getting a little tiring. |
Did you watch the whole thing? I saw dogs being hung, choked (by holding the collar so they were dangling by their necks) and beat with an iron rod. What is your definition of a humane way of killing animals?
I agree that those who care only when the animal is cute are being silly.
About your comment on size: Size is actually a good indicator of whether they were a pet here... because there is a breed raised for dog meat and they are quite large. In the video you also saw some dogs that were clearly pets, some probably purebred dogs. I remember seeing a beagle, etc. The point that you could have made, which I will make now, is that there is no proof, even with a pet that it is being treated badly, but from the rest of the footage, we can make a good assumption overall. But we can make the same assumption with the dogs raised for dog meat. I care more about animal cruelty overall than about which kind of animal (raised for meat or not).
I think with pets they should check to make sure that they are healthy (especially when they come from the streets), but it seems they don't, and at the market where they were buying and selling dogs picked up from the street, they treated the animals quite cruelly (throwing them around, letting them dangle in midair while being chocked, etc).
I agree that cuteness is pretty stupid way of judging things, but people eat guinnea pigs in South America and you never hear people complaining about that. Guinnea pigs are cute, and some people do have them for pets. But they have no reputation for beating them before cooking them there.
I think the worst thing this video shows is that it is common for people to buy dogs from a pet store, and then toss them out on the street when they are tired of caring for them. Much worse than people eating pets. I suppose, if they were not treated badly overall, it would be better that people eat them than that they die on the streets (as long as they were checked for health and not treated cruelly). If this footage makes people think, "oh no, this dog I bought on a whim might end up killed for food when I toss him out" and are either less likely to get a pet without forethought or less likely to throw them out instead of taking care of them, then I think it's good. I'm sure there are less graphic ways of achieving the same education, as well.
Otherwise I don't care if it's a pet or not, I care if it's been beaten or choked or for other animals, raised in unsanitary conditions with not enough space, etc.
Edit: I mean not just in Korea, but in other places. A lot of animals raised for food everywhere are treated as bad. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: Retired
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Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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littlelisa wrote: |
TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
Not to mention the fact that a YouTube video is hardly credible evidence.
Particularly THAT YouTube video. You know how they were able to determine that former pets were being turned into dog meat?
On their size. That's right. That is the SOLE piece of evidence that they use to make this claim. Shoddy sensational journalism at its best. Just like every time some foreigners are caught doing something wrong we are tarred with the same brush on nothing more than skin color.
Yes everyone knows that some Koreans eat dog meat. Yes sometimes the animals are put to death in less than humane way (though that video didn't really show that). Provides plenty of fodder for trolls but since this comes up every year...it's getting a little tiring. |
Did you watch the whole thing? I saw dogs being hung, choked (by holding the collar so they were dangling by their necks) and beat with an iron rod. What is your definition of a humane way of killing animals?
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I saw a dog being hung...but it was quite obviously dead beforehand...not struggling at all. If you look at the video you can see the Schnauzer is not struggling at all despite hanging from the neck.
Size is an indicator but it is not PROOF. Yes some of those dogs may have been pets. The point was an often blurry EDITED YT video is hardly proof of anything. |
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Zyzyfer

Joined: 29 Jan 2003 Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?
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Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 5:44 pm Post subject: |
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Skipperoo wrote: |
Wait wait wait.
They're eating CUTE dogs?
I am now enraged. |
Don't worry, I, at least, detected your sarcasm! |
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