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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2011 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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I read that 30% of South Korea's economy is underground, compared to 6% of America's economy.
(I'm suprised at the difference, taking into account how much illegal drug sale there in the U.S. But look at how openly bootlegs are sold in the street and how much copyright infringement goes on in Korea. I get the impression that many hagwons here are under reporting money earned in order to save on taxes, or even not paying taxes at all. I think many are unregistered.) |
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PRagic

Joined: 24 Feb 2006
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Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 5:10 pm Post subject: |
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Think I heard somewhere that to be considered 'wealthy' in Seoul, you need to have about 2 million bucks (USD) AND own your own house/apartment on top of that.
I used to teach in an MBA program. Most of the students in my classes were making 5-9 million a month working for big companies in Korea. Most had been in the workforce for less than 5 years.
Personally, it's all relative to me. 10K a month goes a long way and provides a pretty high standard of living if you live in a small U.S. city. 10K a month in S.F., L.A., or N.Y.? I'd pass that job offer up in no time flat.
For first time, straight out of college ESL teachers here, the upside is that you can pay off your loans and start banking/investing faster than many in your age cohort 'at home'. This is particularly true if you have a degree in a less employable 'soft science' like English, History, or Sociology.
The problem is that the earing curve will eventually catch up with you if you don't invest in yourself while you're here, especially if you're here over the long term. Pretty soon, your peers 'back home' will be banking more than you, and they'll be living more comfortably as well. There are of course case-by-case stories that will enable an arguement for or against this. The teachers I've know long term here (over 10 years) who have invested in themselves have done very well, both in terms of income and, even more so, in terms of off time. Those who have moved away from ESL have done remarkably well, and are making more than most of their friends 'back home'. It'll depend on the person, the chosen career track, the level of committment, and, well, the breaks. |
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Joined: 04 Jun 2006
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Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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| For whatever it is worth, I agree with PRagic. |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 4:01 am Post subject: |
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| People who were here 10 years ago will tell you it was like being a rock star and you made as much money as a middle income office worker at least. University jobs were easy to get as well. Do you know how much the women in Kebab restaurants make? About 2M. Recently my wife was talking to a woman who sold waffles in a tiny crappy tent outside my apartment she said she made 3M! |
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madoka

Joined: 27 Mar 2008
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Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 11:13 am Post subject: |
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| With that salary you would probably be approved for a mortgage in the 1-2 million dollar range quite easily. |
You'd think that, but several months ago I applied for a new home loan with the largest bank in the U.S. They dragged that process out over eight months before giving us approval. I seriously was considering a lawsuit near the end.
They were incredibily nitpicky the entire time. For example, they made me write an essay explaining why I had a $15 late fee from Dell. I made a purchase of replacement parts totaling something like $25. Dell Financial sent me their bill late and I mailed off payment immediately. I thought I was still okay since I mailed payment three days before it was due. However, Dell claimed I was one day late and assessed a $15 late fee. When I called to complain about it, they said that it's not when they receive payment so much as it is when they "process" payment and they "processed" mine a day late. That ticked me off to no end and I refused to pay their fee because Dell makes free money whenever they screw up or delay.
I have a great credit rating, yet they were terrified that I was going to flip the new house, I was planning on going into foreclosure in my old house, I was going to resell it back to the former tenant, etc. The loan specialist explained that since the recent housing bubble, they were skating on thin ice and any home loans had to be bulletproof. |
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madoka

Joined: 27 Mar 2008
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Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 11:50 am Post subject: |
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10g's a month is not upper class in America. Isn't upper class the top 1% of people?
Anyways $120,000 - $240,000 per year is high on the social latter in my books and I consider that upper-class despite what you and people earning that may think. |
According to Wiki, $250,000 is enough to put you in the top 1.5%:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income_in_the_United_States
That seems to be a very lenient scale.
The Wall Street Journal's calculator is more strict (or perhaps more up to date), so that even $500,000 only puts in in the top 2%:
http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2011/10/19/what-percent-are-you/
However, in the end social class, wealth, etc. are some what subjective. That said, personally I don't think even $50,000 per month puts you in the "upper class" IMHO. Many of my clients are extremely wealthy, so I spend my days with people who see nothing unusual about dropping several hundred dollars for lunch. My definitions have been warped by that. |
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Malislamusrex
Joined: 01 Feb 2010
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Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 11:51 pm Post subject: |
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I read that data for that census report...... they did this research in 2006 and 2007.Between 2006 and 2007 there were wild swings between 100%+ in each group. I know doing this research for 116k people must have cost millions of dollars, but it's still just not all that accurate. The people making 250k+ could be anywhere between 0.1% to 10%
That scale thing is fun!
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| jvalmer wrote: |
10g's a month is not upper class in America. Isn't upper class the top 1% of people?
Anyways $120,000 - $240,000 per year is high on the social latter in my books and I consider that upper-class despite what you and people earning that may think. |
According to Wiki, $250,000 is enough to put you in the top 1.5%:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income_in_the_United_States
That seems to be a very lenient scale.
The Wall Street Journal's calculator is more strict (or perhaps more up to date), so that even $500,000 only puts in in the top 2%:
http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2011/10/19/what-percent-are-you/
However, in the end social class, wealth, etc. are some what subjective. That said, personally I don't think even $50,000 per month puts you in the "upper class" IMHO. Many of my clients are extremely wealthy, so I spend my days with people who see nothing unusual about dropping several hundred dollars for lunch. My definitions have been warped by that. |
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