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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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You could meet halfway on the intervening and ignoring...Take a dump right in the middle of the street. Or start stripping and performing erotic acts.
Sometimes crazy and bizarre can cause things to come to a halt. |
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The Cosmic Hum
Joined: 09 May 2003
Location: Sonic Space
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| Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 6:06 am Post subject: |
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| tatertot wrote: |
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thailand is a 3rd world country! it's a very corrupted society!
the mafia, gangs have a presents in every street corner!
unemployment is rampant, drugs are everywhere, many thai men drink, cheat on their wives and gamble, are in debt to loan sharks,
thieving, muggings, happen in thailand just like anywhere in the world , when people are desperate they will do desperate things.
they see Farangs staying in Hotels, buying women for 100 bucks a night, and eating seafood, they get jealous or they want to get some of that.
black market, underground, selling sex, selling drugs, gangs. all that is happening around THE SO CALLED SMILING THAILAND!
4:30am is no place for you to be walking around,
frankly.. you were lucky you were not killed for interfering!
maybe that Katoy, owed money! maybe she works for them, maybe she hasn't paid her drug debt. you have no idea what's going on.
but in a country like that, life is cheap. someone will kill you for 10 dollars!
I am not talking about all Thai people, just some. |
But that sounds awesome! |
Must be great at Christmas time. |
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 6:43 am Post subject: |
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| It is NOT your country.. |
That sounds awful spineless tompatz.
So the general consensus is:
If we see Ttompatz getting beaten to death in bangkok, to walk on by.
Am I correct TP? |
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Zulethe
Joined: 04 Jul 2008
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| Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 12:41 pm Post subject: |
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I'm amazed at most of the posters' honesty in this discussion. You can honestly admit that you are spineless, self-centered, and only concerned about your personal well-being - I applaud you and you should be proud of yourselves as well as your parents should be proud.
Stealrails has had the best answer so far - there are many other things one could do than jump in or simply walk away.
I would gradly put my life on the line to help another human being. I've done it before and I'll do it again, even for the spineless among us.
The last time I experienced bystander apathy was when I was 18 in Seattle and I watched this guy run by me with a lady's purse and did nothing. It took me a long, long time to get over that one.
Jeju Island 1993, same thing happened but this time I was in pursuit with another group of Koreans and we apprehended the punk.
Moral of the story, get invovled, shout, scream, call the police - do something or live with your spineless self.
To the OP, I applaud you and assure you that you are not alone. If I had been there, you would have been in good hands
The new generation should be call the "P" generation rather than generation "Y" |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 1:12 pm Post subject: |
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| ttompatz wrote: |
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Ohh Patrick, you are a hoot! 
What was the name of that movie that Claire Danes was in, where she and her friend were arrested in Thailand?
Different circumstances of course, but it was a pretty good movie---- |
"Banged up abroad?"
BBC had a whole series of reality shows based on situations like this though; something like, "Trouble in Tourist Thailand".
Seriously though.
If you see something, CALL the police (in Thailand, call 1155 - Thai Tourist Police - yes, they speak English and you can call from ANY pay, private or cell - even if it is not on a network or not entitled to make any other calls)
but do NOT get involved. It is not worth YOUR getting killed over.
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Bang on Ttom.
Thats not being gutless, its knowing where you are and how things work.
There are many ways to help someone in such a situation. Calling the local cops is one of the first things you SHOULD DO even if you want to personally intervene, you HAVE to call the cops.
You also need to be AWARE of where you are and of what your actions may trigger. Finally, you should be damn sure what you are getting into BEFORE you race in like Batman and try to save someone.
So by all means act, but act intelligently. |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 5:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Julius wrote: |
| ttompatz wrote: |
| It is NOT your country.. |
That sounds awful spineless tompatz.
So the general consensus is:
If we see Ttompatz getting beaten to death in Bangkok, to walk on by.
Am I correct TP? |
Yes.
Walk by, call the tourist police and stay alive.
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Zulethe wrote: |
I'm amazed at most of the posters' honesty in this discussion. You can honestly admit that you are spineless, self-centered, and only concerned about your personal well-being - I applaud you and you should be proud of yourselves as well as your parents should be proud.
Stealrails has had the best answer so far - there are many other things one could do than jump in or simply walk away.
I would gradly put my life on the line to help another human being. I've done it before and I'll do it again, even for the spineless among us.
The last time I experienced bystander apathy was when I was 18 in Seattle and I watched this guy run by me with a lady's purse and did nothing. It took me a long, long time to get over that one.
Jeju Island 1993, same thing happened but this time I was in pursuit with another group of Koreans and we apprehended the punk.
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So first you criticize people on here for being spineless yet of YOUR real-world examples....they don't exactly exemplify courageous behavior on your part.
Let's see:
Example 1. You did nothing...exactly what you are criticizing posters on this board for.
Example 2. You had a group of locals assisting you to chase down ONE criminal.
Yes, you surely are an example to follow. 
As already pointed out the best thing to do is call the police. That's their job and the limit of your responsibility. Getting involved in a foreign country when you have NO idea of what is going on is stupid...and your embassy will tell you the same thing.
The OP was incredibly lucky...he could have as easily been murdered. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 6:18 pm Post subject: |
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Look, no one has to be a hero. People who try to be too much of a hero and go in screaming or fists swinging can escalate a situation and make it even worse.
But that doesn't mean do nothing either. Like I said, we know going in swinging is probably bad news. Try something else. Bribery or graphic public displays, belting out like Pavarotti, wave sparklers around while dancing, or heck, you and your buddy start fighting each other. Heck have a one man fight with yourself.
Yeah, some people are underground guerrilla fighters. But some of those guerrilla fighters are idiots who die because they don't think. Others are Oskar Schindler type interventionists. Think bribes, smooth talk, distraction, and showmanship.
There's different kinds of bravery and such out there. And even if you are a coward (not as bad of an insult as its made out to be) there's at least something you can do.
I hope in that situation I would be brave enough to crap myself. |
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rchristo10
Joined: 14 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Zulethe wrote: |
I'm amazed at most of the posters' honesty in this discussion. You can honestly admit that you are spineless, self-centered, and only concerned about your personal well-being - I applaud you and you should be proud of yourselves as well as your parents should be proud.
Stealrails has had the best answer so far - there are many other things one could do than jump in or simply walk away.
I would gradly put my life on the line to help another human being. I've done it before and I'll do it again, even for the spineless among us.
The last time I experienced bystander apathy was when I was 18 in Seattle and I watched this guy run by me with a lady's purse and did nothing. It took me a long, long time to get over that one.
Jeju Island 1993, same thing happened but this time I was in pursuit with another group of Koreans and we apprehended the punk.
Moral of the story, get invovled, shout, scream, call the police - do something or live with your spineless self.
To the OP, I applaud you and assure you that you are not alone. If I had been there, you would have been in good hands
The new generation should be call the "P" generation rather than generation "Y" |
I've actually seen your name around as a counselor of sorts. Kind of surprised the that you would invite people to put their lives on the line in the name of ethics and morality, especially considering that they'd risk their lives and possibly their futures.
Scream, shout, and run! You'd didn't add run to your elegant equation, because in reality that's what your potential victim would have to do.
To be honest, the world is a lot more complicated than your so easy-to-follow scope of mind. His getting involved (at 4am) makes him culpable in any activity that may be related to the event at hand. Sometimes it's best to use these great innovations in technology we call (incorrectly) a hand phone. Dial the police; don't get directly involve. Do what you can to avoid a direct confrontation, but also act as a witness to the event (from a safe distance).
I have an iPhone, and I'm not sure what you were equipped with at the time, but recording the event has a great effect on getting things done and doesn't necessarily require any degree of vigilante activism.
I'm quite perturbed at such a suggestion from a self-proclaimed counselor; it's not only bad advice, but to some extents dangerous suggestions.
Shame on you. |
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rchristo10
Joined: 14 Jul 2009
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| Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Zulethe wrote: |
I'm amazed at most of the posters' honesty in this discussion. You can honestly admit that you are spineless, self-centered, and only concerned about your personal well-being - I applaud you and you should be proud of yourselves as well as your parents should be proud.
Stealrails has had the best answer so far - there are many other things one could do than jump in or simply walk away.
I would gradly put my life on the line to help another human being. I've done it before and I'll do it again, even for the spineless among us.
The last time I experienced bystander apathy was when I was 18 in Seattle and I watched this guy run by me with a lady's purse and did nothing. It took me a long, long time to get over that one.
Jeju Island 1993, same thing happened but this time I was in pursuit with another group of Koreans and we apprehended the punk.
Moral of the story, get invovled, shout, scream, call the police - do something or live with your spineless self.
To the OP, I applaud you and assure you that you are not alone. If I had been there, you would have been in good hands
The new generation should be call the "P" generation rather than generation "Y" |
I've actually seen your name around as a counselor of sorts. Kind of surprised that you would invite people to put their lives on the line in the name of ethics and morality (using ridiculous standards as Y versus P generational gaps....good lord I could write a thesis on this ignorance [if not idiocity]), especially considering that they'd risk their lives and possibly their futures.
Scream, shout, and run! You'd didn't add run to your elegant equation, because in reality that's what your potential victim would have to do.
To be honest, the world is a lot more complicated than your so easy-to-follow scope of mind. His getting involved (at 4am) makes him culpable in any activity that may be related to the event at hand--we're talking about Thailand here, not some strange utopia that you seem to have nestled somewhere in the recesses of that blob of gunk of yours. Sometimes it's best to use these great innovations in technology we call (incorrectly) a hand phone. Dial the police; don't get directly involve. Do what you can to avoid a direct confrontation, but also act as a witness to the event (from a safe distance).
I have an iPhone, and I'm not sure what you were equipped with at the time, but recording the event has a great effect on getting things done and doesn't necessarily require any degree of vigilante activism, which is neither your responsibility nor your place of legitimacy.
I'm quite perturbed at such a suggestion from a self-proclaimed counselor; it's not only bad advice, but to some extents dangerous suggestions. Next, said retard would suggest you go to a neighboring roof and throw bricks at the suspected gangsters.
This has nothing to do with a P versus a Y. This has to do with common sense, which you (perhaps out of fear or anxiety) lacked at the time. You are not the police in other countries, and you should not assume that what you do MORALLY has anything to do with whether your behavior will be interpreted as just. You simply don't know enough about the culture to put yourself on such a pedestal.
In terms of said's advice: Shame on you. Find another occupation or think before you write. You write a thesis on why Hitler should have been spared and I'd start listening. Otherwise, take your Christian subjectivism and Western morality elsewhere until you have something worthwhile to say. |
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wintermute
Joined: 01 Oct 2007
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| Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 12:11 am Post subject: |
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| Zulethe wrote: |
I'm amazed at most of the posters' honesty in this discussion. You can honestly admit that you are spineless, self-centered, and only concerned about your personal well-being - I applaud you and you should be proud of yourselves as well as your parents should be proud.
Stealrails has had the best answer so far - there are many other things one could do than jump in or simply walk away.
I would gradly put my life on the line to help another human being. I've done it before and I'll do it again, even for the spineless among us.
The last time I experienced bystander apathy was when I was 18 in Seattle and I watched this guy run by me with a lady's purse and did nothing. It took me a long, long time to get over that one.
Jeju Island 1993, same thing happened but this time I was in pursuit with another group of Koreans and we apprehended the punk.
Moral of the story, get invovled, shout, scream, call the police - do something or live with your spineless self.
To the OP, I applaud you and assure you that you are not alone. If I had been there, you would have been in good hands
The new generation should be call the "P" generation rather than generation "Y" |
Wow. Thanks for that revealing post.
So - you had this one formative experience - you failed to stop some random crime that surprised you.
Then, for "a long, long time" you stew about what a "spineless coward" you are, eventually swearing you will to whatever it takes in life to never be a "spineless coward" ever again.
So for the rest of your life, you charge about, getting punchy at the drop of a hat, admonishing others for being "spineless cowards" - not because you are "brave" but because you fear being judged as you already judge yourself and others. To you, not to act is to be a spineless coward, right? Therefore, you must act. Of course, your motivation is not altruism, but a selfish desire to conceal the coward you secretly believe yourself to be. It's ego-driven fear of social reproach. Your interventions are actually acts of cowardice, where you cravenly fail to stand up to yourself, and free yourself from the compulsions of your twisted beliefs.
It's so much easier to delude yourself into thinking you are a brave white knight on a crusade of justice, and that the problem of spineless cowardice, which to you seems everywhere (wonder why), is a problem out there. A problem everyone, except you, seems to suffer from.
Grow up. |
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madoka
Joined: 27 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 12:45 am Post subject: |
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| Zulethe wrote: |
| The last time I experienced bystander apathy was when I was 18 in Seattle and I watched this guy run by me with a lady's purse and did nothing. It took me a long, long time to get over that one. |
Hey, no need to pick on Zulethe.
Even though this thief would later kill his beloved uncle, he did eventually learn that with great power comes great responsibility. |
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Zyzyfer
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?
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| Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 12:58 am Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| The OP was incredibly lucky...he could have as easily been murdered. |
I think this is the critical point.
It's one thing to get involved with something here in Korea. You're likely to spend the night in lock-up and will probably get banged up a bit.
But they don't f*** around in Southeast Asia.
I respect people who do get involved and break up things like this, and I have never faced such a situation as young_clinton did and do not know how I would react, but there was a very real possibility young_clinton could have ended up dead in the gutter. It may seem overly dramatic, but there are plenty of stories... |
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PatrickGHBusan
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
Location: Busan (1997-2008) Canada 2008 -
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| Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 5:08 am Post subject: |
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| Zyzyfer wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| The OP was incredibly lucky...he could have as easily been murdered. |
I think this is the critical point.
It's one thing to get involved with something here in Korea. You're likely to spend the night in lock-up and will probably get banged up a bit.
But they don't f*** around in Southeast Asia.
I respect people who do get involved and break up things like this, and I have never faced such a situation as young_clinton did and do not know how I would react, but there was a very real possibility young_clinton could have ended up dead in the gutter. It may seem overly dramatic, but there are plenty of stories... |
Well said! |
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Joe Boxer
Joined: 25 Dec 2007
Location: Bundang, South Korea
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| Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2012 5:43 am Post subject: |
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| madoka wrote: |
| Zulethe wrote: |
| The last time I experienced bystander apathy was when I was 18 in Seattle and I watched this guy run by me with a lady's purse and did nothing. It took me a long, long time to get over that one. |
Hey, no need to pick on Zulethe.
Even though this thief would later kill his beloved uncle, he did eventually learn that with great power comes great responsibility. |
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